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BAR wrote:
hk wrote:
TJ wrote:
hk wrote:


So what? The point is, the Norwegians are using their national
wealth properly, to ensure that all Norwegians have the necessities
and a strong social net to help out when they need help.

In this country, our national wealth is used to make the wealthy
wealthier.

We're sliding downhill in this country. A growing number of
Americans, millions of Americans, are losing their jobs, their
health care, their houses, their retirement, their futures.

But the rich...they are getting richer.

I won't be around to see it, but at some point in the future, there
will be heads on pikes in this country, literally or figuratively.




Why is it that you hate the rich so much? We need them! Have you ever
asked a poor person to give you a job? No, wait. You wouldn't. You
want everybody to work for the government. That way, nobody's rich
but the politicians.

TJ


You are way, way, way over your head. Here's a suggestion: play with
Loogy.



TJ you hit the nail on the head.

I know. Harry's snappy comeback told me that. Nothing to refute my
assertion, just something he thought would be an insult.

TJ

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On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 08:51:33 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


"hk" wrote in message
...

Wow...Bert still posts here, and is still advocating for greed. What a
surprise.

Until you had reposted his post, Richard, I thought he had disappeared
entirely.

Good filtering... :)

Here's a good, rainy day read for you ....

http://tinyurl.com/6jx5k4

Oh crap - you just had to bring that up didn't you?

Too much of neo-liberal/Democratic party politics is tied up in the
outmoded ideas of race and cultural identity. There is no shortage of
politicians willing to stoke fears of racial backsliding in order to
keep voting coalitions intact.

Those with leftist tendencies — like Harry - are constantly trying to
“remind” us how racist we still are, as a society, and how necessary
igovernment protection is against "institutional" racism and
multicultural nonsense that now permeates every venue of American
life.

A move back toward individualism is anathema to progressive politics,
particularly as such a movement would weaken established coalition
paradigms.

The most damage being done by progressivism takes place in the schools
where identification "communal" principles, "fairness" and
non-competitive status of grades makes it difficult for those who’ve
been indoctrinated to break free of the structure of liberal race and
cultural ideology.

In short, American life is no longer about the individual, but about
the collective.

That's what's runining the country.

I will now return to my cave and comtemplate my navel and the lint
therein. :)

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On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 06:46:51 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

The question remains: When the world demand for oil drops dramatically,
which is predicted

Predicted by whom? The demand for oil will not drop as long as there
is any.

Casady

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On Aug 19, 11:32*am, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 08:51:33 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

"hk" wrote in message
...

Wow...Bert still posts here, and is still advocating for greed. *What a
surprise.

Until you had reposted his post, Richard, I thought he had disappeared
entirely.

Good filtering... * :)

Here's a good, rainy day read for you ....

http://tinyurl.com/6jx5k4

Oh crap - you just had to bring that up didn't you?

Too much of neo-liberal/Democratic party politics is tied up in the
outmoded ideas of race and cultural identity. *There is no shortage of
politicians willing to stoke fears of racial backsliding in order to
keep voting coalitions intact.

Those with leftist tendencies — like Harry - *are constantly trying to
“remind” us how racist we still are, as a society, and how necessary
igovernment protection is against "institutional" racism and
multicultural nonsense that now permeates every venue of American
life.

A move back toward individualism is anathema to progressive politics,
particularly as such a movement would weaken established coalition
paradigms.

The most damage being done by progressivism takes place in the schools
where identification "communal" principles, "fairness" and
non-competitive status of grades makes it difficult for those who’ve
been indoctrinated to break free of the structure of liberal race and
cultural ideology.

In short, American life is no longer about the individual, but about
the collective.

That's what's runining the country.

I will now return to my cave and comtemplate my navel and the lint
therein. *:)- Hide quoted text -

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Remind me to tell you about the week my wife and the Mouse spent with
our oldest in DC, she is a masters from American Univerisity. She
lives a very unique minimalist lifestyle, as did I when I was her age.
but her intolerance for those who did not understand of accept the
lifestyle was intolerant, to the point of being downright mean... My
girls learned a lot down there about the "collective" and how those
involved look at the rest of us who don't subscribe.

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hk wrote:
wrote:


Remind me to tell you about the week my wife and the Mouse spent with
our oldest in DC, she is a masters from American Univerisity. She
lives a very unique minimalist lifestyle, as did I when I was her age.
but her intolerance for those who did not understand of accept the
lifestyle was intolerant, to the point of being downright mean... My
girls learned a lot down there about the "collective" and how those
involved look at the rest of us who don't subscribe.


Don't subscribe to what?

A minimalist lifestyle?

Each individual should be able to choose the life they want to live.

Nothing wrong with that.

Does she have health insurance?

It is a choice. Why is health insurance a requirement?


If not, who pays when she needs medical care or prescriptions?

She should pay when she needs medical care or prescriptions.

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On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 11:28:51 -0400, "D.Duck" wrote:


"Vic Smith" wrote in message
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On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 07:44:28 -0400, "D.Duck" wrote:



It's a lot easier to *care* for 4.5M than 300M people.

You do know that every "first world" country in the world except the
U.S.has universal health care, don't you?
No sense dwelling on 4.5M when the real number is many hundreds of
millions. None of those many countries are going bankrupt as far as I
know.
My wife wasn't too happy about the value of the dollar on her recent
trip to Poland though.
Anyway, you can google universal health care, and find that wiki has a
pretty good overview of the different systems.
Pick what suits you.

--Vic

But what is the quality of the universal health care offered in other
countries? I personally know several Canadians that come to the US for
treatment that they would have to wait what they consider an inordinate
length of time for in their home country.


Don't know since I don't live in any of all the other first world
countries that have universal health care.
I suppose they could revolt and get rid of it if it isn't up to snuff.
Most have had it for decades and I haven't heard about any
revolutions.
Personally, I don't care how long Canadians have to wait.
More concerned about Americans without insurance losing their
life savings and homes because of a major medical event.
Quite a few bankruptcies are due to medical costs.
I've read up to half, but that was before this mortgage mess.
And I'm concerned about how other countries beat our ass because their
industries are subsidized on health care, lowering their operating
costs.
Maybe Don White knows about how it works in Canada.

--Vic

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Vic Smith wrote:
On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 11:28:51 -0400, "D.Duck" wrote:

"Vic Smith" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 07:44:28 -0400, "D.Duck" wrote:


It's a lot easier to *care* for 4.5M than 300M people.

You do know that every "first world" country in the world except the
U.S.has universal health care, don't you?
No sense dwelling on 4.5M when the real number is many hundreds of
millions. None of those many countries are going bankrupt as far as I
know.
My wife wasn't too happy about the value of the dollar on her recent
trip to Poland though.
Anyway, you can google universal health care, and find that wiki has a
pretty good overview of the different systems.
Pick what suits you.

--Vic
But what is the quality of the universal health care offered in other
countries? I personally know several Canadians that come to the US for
treatment that they would have to wait what they consider an inordinate
length of time for in their home country.


Don't know since I don't live in any of all the other first world
countries that have universal health care.
I suppose they could revolt and get rid of it if it isn't up to snuff.
Most have had it for decades and I haven't heard about any
revolutions.
Personally, I don't care how long Canadians have to wait.
More concerned about Americans without insurance losing their
life savings and homes because of a major medical event.

Should everyone have to carry umbrella insurance?

Quite a few bankruptcies are due to medical costs.

Quite a few bankruptcies are due to stupid decisions. Should the
accumulated debts be forgiven or expunged for stupidity as well as
medical reasons?

I've read up to half, but that was before this mortgage mess.

What is the genesis of the mortgage mess?

And I'm concerned about how other countries beat our ass because their
industries are subsidized on health care, lowering their operating
costs.

Private enterprise should not be subsidized by tax incentives or
penalized through taxation.

Maybe Don White knows about how it works in Canada.

--Vic

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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...


In short, American life is no longer about the individual, but about
the collective.

That's what's runining the country.

I will now return to my cave and comtemplate my navel and the lint
therein. :)



I am now on the boat sniffing the dining area table to see if it stinks.

Eisboch

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"Vic Smith" wrote in message
...


You do know that every "first world" country in the world except the
U.S.has universal health care, don't you?
No sense dwelling on 4.5M when the real number is many hundreds of
millions. None of those many countries are going bankrupt as far as I
know.

--Vic

There's a difference between simply "having" universal care and having
"good" universal care.
I haven't heard too many of our northern neighbors bragging about the
quality of their health care system.

Eisboch