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On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 20:20:19 -0400, TJ wrote:

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Where in upstate NY are you?

Onondaga County. Syracuse area. I don't think narrowing it down any
closer than that on Usenet is a good idea. You don't know who might be
lurking about...

TJ

You're quite right. Some folks maintain databases with information gleaned
over the years.

I did a lot of growing up on my grandfather's farm in Minnesota. I can
appreciate your comments about the weather and its impact. Good luck with
it.

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"John H." salmonremovebait@gmaildotcom wrote in message
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I did a lot of growing up on my grandfather's farm in Minnesota. I can
appreciate your comments about the weather and its impact. Good luck with
it.

Wish you'd grow up a bit here.

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And, by doing so, volunteering for serious fines, penalties and, in some
cases, jail time.

Are you sure you are not related to Larry?

Eisboch

Oh, you think it otherwise, that the meat processing industries, the
clothing industries, the homebuilding industries, the service industries,
et cetera, are not packed with "illegals"?

Where have you been?


On my boat.

But, I read. I agree, years ago it was easy and "safe" to hire illegals.
Laws with substantial penalties have been put in place to discourage that
practice however and they are enforced.

Eisboch


The immigrants work! The local people either want lots for nothing, have
not learned of competition in jobs. a few years ago, I ordered up 4 worked
from the Calif. EDD to clean up the in-laws house for sale. Haul debris to
a large dumpster. Paying $2 more than minimum wage. No one shows up.
Should have complained to the EDD later, but me bad. Went down to the day
labor pool. All Hispanics. One legal 60 year old, and 2 illegal from El
Salvador. As we are leaving the area in Berkeley, Cal there is an about 20
year old white kid, with a homeless, begging sign. Only statement made was
by the 60 year old MX guy. "Just lazy! Damn lazy." Most of the
carpenters are Hispanic. Legal by and large. as they work hard, and get
paid union wages as required by the state.

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Well, you'll have to use a cattle prod to get the Bush Admin to do that.
I haven't read where the chairman and board of Wal-Mart have been
arrested and charged with employing illegals.


You have inside information that Wal-Mart hires illegals?

Eisboch

Nope. Outside info:

Wal-Mart Settles Illegal Immigrant Case for $11M

Saturday , March 19, 2005

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Wal-Mart Stores Inc. (WMT), the world's largest retailer, escaped criminal
charges when it agreed to pay $11 million, a record fine in a civil
immigration case, to end a federal probe into its use of illegal
immigrants as janitors.

Additionally, 12 businesses that provided contract janitor services to
Wal-Mart will pay $4 million in fines and plead guilty to criminal
immigration charges, officials said.

Wal-Mart's shares edged down 73 cents, or 1.4 percent, to $51.60 on the
New York Stock Exchange (search).

The deal resolves a more than four-year-long Department of Justice
(search) investigation into the employment practices of the company's
former floor-cleaning contractors.

"This case breaks new ground not only because this is a record dollar
amount for a civil immigration settlement, but because this settlement
requires Wal-Mart to create an internal program to ensure future
compliance with immigration laws by Wal-Mart contractors and by Wal-Mart
itself," said Michael J. Garcia, assistant secretary for U.S. Immigration
and Customs Enforcement (search).

"We plan to use this settlement as a model for future cases and efforts in
worksite enforcement," he said.

Wal-Mart received a target letter from a grand jury in Pennsylvania and
was the subject of an October 2003 raid spanning 21 states and 60 stores.
The raids led to the arrest of 245 allegedly illegal immigrants.

Wal-Mart, which has 1.2 million domestic workers, had pledged its
cooperation in the investigation.

"We are satisfied that this is being settled as a civil matter," Wal-Mart
spokeswoman Mona Williams said. "Despite a long, thorough and high-profile
investigation, the government has not charged anyone at Wal-Mart with
wrongdoing."

No longer does Wal-Mart employ outside contractors to clean its floors.
Companies that do contract work for other chores will have stricter rules
to follow to win those contracts, and upper management will have to
approve contracts of more than $10,000, Williams said.

"It is a lot of money, but I think that is because it is designed to get
attention and remind businesses everywhere that they have a duty to ensure
their outside contractors are following federal immigration laws."

In two separate investigations, authorities uncovered the cases of an
estimated 345 illegal immigrants contracted as janitors at Wal-Mart
stores. Many of the workers worked seven days or nights a week without
overtime pay or injury compensation, attorneys said. Those who worked
nights were often locked in the store until the morning.

Wal-Mart Stores, based in Bentonville, Ark., had sales last year of
$288.19 billion.

In 2001, authorities arrested an estimated 100 illegal immigrants at
Wal-Mart stores in Pennsylvania, New York, Ohio and Missouri. Last year,
on Oct. 23, federal agents raided 60 Wal-Mart stores in 21 states, netting
245 immigrants who were placed in deportation proceedings. ICE said the
workers came from 18 different nations, including 90 from Mexico, 35 from
the Czech Republic, 22 from Mongolia and 20 from Brazil.

Officials said at the time of the raids the investigation involved
wiretaps that revealed Wal-Mart executives were aware that the
subcontractors used illegal workers. Once the raid began, Wal-Mart told
its executives to preserve documents. Federal agents didn't wait and moved
in on part of the company's Bentonville headquarters, taking boxes from
the office of a midlevel executive.

An employer can face civil and criminal penalties for knowingly hiring
illegal immigrants or failing to comply with certain employee
record-keeping regulations. But the settlement spared Wal-Mart of any
criminal charges, though it still faces a civil suit on behalf of the
immigrants that is pending in New Jersey.

The federal settlement also directs Wal-Mart to train all current and
future store managers to prevent employing, hiring or recruiting illegal
immigrants, and to comply with ongoing investigations of cleaning
contractors previously used by the company.

Reuters and the Associated Press contributed to this report.
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Did not see anywhere in the story where Wal-mart hired the illegals.

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"hk" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:

"hk" wrote in message
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Outside information. In some of the cases, Wal-Mart claimed its
contractors hired the illegals, and it didn't know. That claim was b.s.
of course.



See? Enforcing the law works.

Eisboch


What the hell does wal-mart care about a bitty fine?

The CEO and other officers should have gotten jail time. A year and a day.

Sort of like insider union traders should have got jail time? Sort of like
the other union pension fund abusers got jail time? Sort of like the PR
person for an organization knowing about illegal activities and saying
nothing got jail time?

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On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 16:00:31 -0400, Eisboch wrote:


But, I read. I agree, years ago it was easy and "safe" to hire
illegals. Laws with substantial penalties have been put in place to
discourage that practice however and they are enforced.

Eisboch

Perhaps in your business, but in many sectors, construction for instance,
there is a large "underground" economy. Not only are illegals hired, but
many citizens are paid under the table. Estimates of illegal immigrants
are 10-15 million. They are coming here to make a living. Somebody is
hiring them.

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On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 16:00:31 -0400, Eisboch wrote:


But, I read. I agree, years ago it was easy and "safe" to hire
illegals. Laws with substantial penalties have been put in place to
discourage that practice however and they are enforced.

Eisboch

Perhaps in your business, but in many sectors, construction for instance,
there is a large "underground" economy. Not only are illegals hired, but
many citizens are paid under the table. Estimates of illegal immigrants
are 10-15 million. They are coming here to make a living. Somebody is
hiring them.


I realize that and have witnessed it. But, they are not typically
"corporations". They are often small time construction or landscaper type
businesses that simply don't show up on the radar screen.

Eisboch

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On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 16:00:31 -0400, Eisboch wrote:


But, I read. I agree, years ago it was easy and "safe" to hire
illegals. Laws with substantial penalties have been put in place to
discourage that practice however and they are enforced.

Eisboch
Perhaps in your business, but in many sectors, construction for instance,
there is a large "underground" economy. Not only are illegals hired, but
many citizens are paid under the table. Estimates of illegal immigrants
are 10-15 million. They are coming here to make a living. Somebody is
hiring them.


I realize that and have witnessed it. But, they are not typically
"corporations". They are often small time construction or landscaper type
businesses that simply don't show up on the radar screen.

Eisboch




You're not looking around enough. Seriously.

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On Aug 20, 8:20*pm, TJ wrote:
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Where in upstate NY are you?

Onondaga County. Syracuse area. I don't think narrowing it down any
closer than that on Usenet is a good idea. You don't know who might be
lurking about...

TJ

No, you are correct there! I'm from the general area. Kite me an
email, we'll talk!