When would you board someone else's boat??
 

On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 14:46:44 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

If you get it in the treads of your boots, where do you take the boots to
clean them off? Let's assume it's a HUGE amount of ****.

Garden hose?

Ha. Talk about stepping in it.....you just did. I now live in an apartment.
The neighborhood's full of stray dogs. The hose outlet is covered by a
locked box so the entire complex doesn't have a car washing party. Where
would you suggest I clean my shoes? Kitchen sink?

Works for me.


crime has been compounded. Unfortunately, this isn't MY private property, or
I'd settle the issue.

Since it isn't your property, you have no right to complain.

Really? I used to be able to take my dog for long walks with me (on a
leash), and it never dropped anything until we returned home.

If it did stop to crap on someone's property, would you clean it up?

With what? And where would I put it? I usually walked in the street so
that if a (rare) accidental dropping would occur, it would be in the
street and not in someone's yard.

With a tool and a bag, you idiot. The street is shared property. Nobody
wants it on the sidewalks

Which is why it's in the street and not on the sidewalks.


Kids play on the sidewalks. Kids (all kids,
everywhere, throughout recorded history) put their hands near or in their
mouths. Regardless of what the law says, it's your responsibility to clean
it up within seconds of it happening. Period.

Who's responsibility is it to clean up the droppings from the Canadian
Geese, Deer, Squirrels, Chipmunks, Foxes, Wild Turkey, Rabbits,
Occasional bears, Raccoons, Possums, Various species of birds, etc? Do
kids only pick up dog poop? When you come up with a good answer for
that, then maybe I'll entertain your fantasy.


Dave

When would you board someone else's boat??
 

On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 23:05:23 -0400, "Don"
wrote:


"Dave Hall" wrote in message
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On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 00:56:39 -0400, "Don"
wrote:


"Dave Hall" wrote
I have mixed feelings about the pool/fence thing. On the one hand,
unauthorized people have no business trespassing on your yard, and any
problems they get into should be on them. On the other hand, since
many laws are made to protect the irresponsible, they transferred the
responsibility to everyone else when they require you to prevent kids
from wandering into your pool. But while I disagree with the law in
principle, the amount of effort to put up a fence is not that great,
and if it saves even one life, it's probably worth it.

Then why shouldn't the irresponsible people that let their kids run loose
foot the bill for the fence, around their yard?
Why should the people with the pool have to pay for the fence?


The fence is your insurance. It protects you from liability lawsuits,
and it's required by most homeowner's insurance policies.

Maybe that's not the way it should be, but it's the way it IS.

Jesus christ, what a ****ing socialist.
I hope someone kills you.



Don't shoot me for telling you what the law says. If you don't like
it, take it up with them.


Dave

When would you board someone else's boat??
 

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
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On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 13:22:01 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
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On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 17:53:00 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

You have an overinflated sense of what the rest of society owes you
WRT consideration.

Dave

Really? If you had my flower garden, you were out at night enjoying
the
sights and smells, and I thought it was cute to shine one of the
zillion
candlepower searchlights in your face, how many days would it take
before
you had an ulcer? After all, you wouldn't actually DO anything about
it,
right?

Why would someone do that? You speak as if you have first hand
experience. One has to wonder why you have so many issues with
neighbors.


You come up with so many "annoyances" with relation to neighbors, I
have to wonder just what you were like to live next too. I'd love to
talk to your former neighbors. I'm sure they have some interesting
stories to tell.......

Dave


Actually, Dave, you've avoided the question. I've simply offered an
example
of something you would find annoying and perhaps painful. Using this
searchlight example, what would be analogous to a fence?

Sunglasses?

Dave

Yeah...OK, Dave.

When would you board someone else's boat??
 

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
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On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 14:46:44 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

If you get it in the treads of your boots, where do you take the boots
to
clean them off? Let's assume it's a HUGE amount of ****.

Garden hose?

Ha. Talk about stepping in it.....you just did. I now live in an
apartment.
The neighborhood's full of stray dogs. The hose outlet is covered by a
locked box so the entire complex doesn't have a car washing party. Where
would you suggest I clean my shoes? Kitchen sink?

Works for me.

Does your family use the sinks as toilets, too?


crime has been compounded. Unfortunately, this isn't MY private property,
or
I'd settle the issue.

Since it isn't your property, you have no right to complain.

The residents have the right to complain because the dogs are ruining
common-use areas. This is the same logic used when municipalities ban dogs
from certain parks.



With what? And where would I put it? I usually walked in the street so
that if a (rare) accidental dropping would occur, it would be in the
street and not in someone's yard.

With a tool and a bag, you idiot. The street is shared property. Nobody
wants it on the sidewalks

Which is why it's in the street and not on the sidewalks.

That's much different. This way, if someone who doesn't live nearby is
getting back into their car and steps in it, they are forced to foul their
car rugs.


Kids play on the sidewalks. Kids (all kids,
everywhere, throughout recorded history) put their hands near or in their
mouths. Regardless of what the law says, it's your responsibility to
clean
it up within seconds of it happening. Period.

Who's responsibility is it to clean up the droppings from the Canadian
Geese, Deer, Squirrels, Chipmunks, Foxes, Wild Turkey, Rabbits,
Occasional bears, Raccoons, Possums, Various species of birds, etc? Do
kids only pick up dog poop? When you come up with a good answer for
that, then maybe I'll entertain your fantasy.

Stupid question. NOBODY can control thousands of wild animals. But dog
owners can control their dogs and clean up after them.

When would you board someone else's boat??
 

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
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On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 14:52:13 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
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On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 16:23:53 -0400, DSK wrote:

Dave Hall wrote:
I grasp it just fine.

In that case, when are you going to accept responsibility for your
actions?

I do, when they are truly mine.

Liar. In another message, you said that if your dog crapped while you
were
walking it, you wouldn't clean it up. You wondered how you would clean it
up. "With what?", you asked. Lame excuse.

Sorry, But I'm not about to carry a bucket and shovel around with me
when I jog. In my town it's not an issue. We at least have enough
common sense out here to realize that other critters besides dogs use
the ground to "dump" on, and it makes little sense to force dog owners
to clean up after messes that wild animals are free to engage in.

Silly boy. If you're walking your dog and the dog craps, it's done so in a
place where it's highly likely that other people will walk. On the other
hand, it's not often that deer go out of their ways to crap on sidewalks.



..... I don't expect other people
to keep their pets off of my lawn

So, we should think the same way? OK. I want to tie your daughter to your
stairway bannister and run a video camera as I play "hide the salami"
with
her rear end. I know the law frowns on that sort of thing with minors,
but
based on your logic, the law is flexible, designed to be ignored based on
what feels right to each of us.

You really do hold one standard for all issues don't you. A truly one
dimensional thinker.

You are a really sick *******. I'm done with you. You'll never be
happy as long as you harbor such thoughts.

Actually, abstract thinking *IS* the path to happiness.

When would you board someone else's boat??
 

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
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On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 14:40:33 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
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On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 17:46:30 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:



Ok, if we stick to your binary view of property, you are either
on
your property or someone else's. When you leave your property, am
I
to
assume that you are intending to damage someone else's property?

Don't say stupid things. We're talking about a dog, not a person.

Why not? The principle's the same.

Don't be ridiculous. I define **** on my property as damage. It's my
property, so my definition is the only one that's valid.

The law would seem to disagree with you.

Actually, the simple concept of "private property" is the basis of a
whole
slew of laws. Regardless of how these laws are picked apart, only one
phrase
is needed to shut down arguments: private property. This is why people
can
get away with painting a house pink and putting stupid stuffed sheep and
plastic flamingoes on their front lawns.

Now you sound like a libertarian, placing property rights above
individual rights. And in many (and a growing number of) places you
CAN'T paint your house pink or put tacky lawn ornaments out.

Usually in places where those restrictions are made known to buyers before
they sign on the dotted line.


To say that a dog intends to do damage every time he leave his lawn is
also false. A dog is a four legged anarchist. He's just doing his
thing.

I never said the dog intended to do it. I said that the owner intends for
the dog to do it.

That premise is false as it is based on the assumption that the dog
owner premeditated the act. Most dog owners do not apply that much
thought to a simple act of letting their critter out to roam.

Ding ding ding! You've won 100 points. Most dog owners do not apply that
much thought. Exactly. That would be called "thoughtless". Here's a strawman
you'll love. I decide to practice with my .40 cal handgun in my house. A
bullet goes through the wall and wounds my neighbor, or even better, his
dog. After all the commotion is over and someone bails me out of jail, the
neighbor asks "What the **** were you thinking???" My response: "Well, I
really didn't apply that much thought, and I had no idea it would travel
almost 50 feet."


The owner lets the dog roam because the owner is lazy. He
doesn't want to take the time to walk the dog, and/or the owner doesn't
want
to take the time to clean up dog crap in his OWN yard. So, the owner
transfers that work to other people.

But what about the many cases where the dog DOES drop in their own
yard first? Are you denying that these examples are usually the rule
and not the exception.? A dog tends to "go" where it is most
comfortable and familiar, and that usually means in his own yard.

What about dogs ****ing on peoples' lawns and plants? If you don't think
THIS is an issue, browse message in rec.dogs or whatever the NG is called.
At least once a week, someone will ask how to deal with what urine does to
lawns and plants, and he'll get LOADS of responses. Those responses must
come from people who've never seen the problem, right? Hint: Dogs mark
territories constantly as they roam.

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"Dave Hall" wrote in message
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Sorry, But I'm not about to carry a bucket and shovel around with me
when I jog.

By the way, here's the method used by real people: Carry a small plastic bag
and a wad of paper towels to pick it up.

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"Dave Hall" wrote in message
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On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 22:58:48 -0400, "Don"
wrote:


If someone (or many someones) makes a habit of cutting across your
lawn

shred

We're not talking about someone cutting across your yard, Dave.

How else would he get there?

Pay attention.
Answer the question directly.
Quit stalling and fidgeting, if you're capable.

You have the legal means at your disposal to address trespassing
issues. If these avenues do not solve the problem, you can only do so
much to prevent continued transgressions. Putting up a fence would
solve the problem.

A punch in the face would solve the problem too, and not be so expensive.

When would you board someone else's boat??
 

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"Dave Hall" wrote in message
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On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 22:58:48 -0400, "Don"
wrote:


If someone (or many someones) makes a habit of cutting across your
lawn

shred

We're not talking about someone cutting across your yard, Dave.

How else would he get there?

Pay attention.
Answer the question directly.
Quit stalling and fidgeting, if you're capable.

You have the legal means at your disposal to address trespassing
issues. If these avenues do not solve the problem, you can only do so
much to prevent continued transgressions. Putting up a fence would
solve the problem.

Dave


In many towns, including mine, zoning laws prohibit the installation of
fences within a certain distance of the front property line. That often
leaves 1/3 to 1/2 of the front vulnerable. Then what?

Doug is a socialist.
He believes that if he trespasses on YOUR property YOU should bear the
additional expense of putting up a fence.
I think you should shoot him in the face, and then throw him in the local
dumpster so that he doesn't continue to aggravate other people.

When would you board someone else's boat??
 

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"Dave Hall" wrote in message
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On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 13:22:01 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 17:53:00 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

You have an overinflated sense of what the rest of society owes
you
WRT consideration.

Dave

Really? If you had my flower garden, you were out at night enjoying
the
sights and smells, and I thought it was cute to shine one of the
zillion
candlepower searchlights in your face, how many days would it take
before
you had an ulcer? After all, you wouldn't actually DO anything about
it,
right?

Why would someone do that? You speak as if you have first hand
experience. One has to wonder why you have so many issues with
neighbors.


You come up with so many "annoyances" with relation to neighbors, I
have to wonder just what you were like to live next too. I'd love to
talk to your former neighbors. I'm sure they have some interesting
stories to tell.......

Dave


Actually, Dave, you've avoided the question. I've simply offered an
example
of something you would find annoying and perhaps painful. Using this
searchlight example, what would be analogous to a fence?

Sunglasses?

Dave

Yeah...OK, Dave.

See?
He is cowardly, the base of his socialist nature.