When would you board someone else's boat??
 

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
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You can also use their t-shirts as handles to escort the kids back to
their
parents and discuss the issue with them.

I would file that under #1 above. Have you had to deal with some
parents lately? I don't know about in your area, but when I was
growing up and another adult lodged a complaint about me, it was taken
as gospel truth and I was immediately and severely punished. Today, if
you go to a parent to complain about their kid, they cop a "My kid's a
angel, you must be mistaken" attitude.

My next door neighbor, in my old neighborhood, had two kids who made a
habit of migrating to my yard to play their various sports, since my
yard was clear and significantly larger. I had to shoe them away on
almost a daily basis. One day, when I came home and found them playing
yet again, I drove up on the yard with my truck and chased them, in
the hope that they'd now think I was crazy and fear to return. I also
yelled after them and I used some words which I probably shouldn't
have. But I was ****ed. That was many years ago, before I learned how
to effectively manage anger.

The next thing I know, the kids' dad comes over to give me a tongue
lashing. And, get this, he wasn't so upset that I had chased them away
with my truck. He was upset with the words that I used. When I told
him that I didn't want them on my yard, he denied that they were
there. I was floored. I asked him how was it then that I was in the
position to chase them down with my truck and shout after them if they
weren't there? Needless to say, this conversation didn't accomplish
much. In fact I would frequently catch not only the kids, but the
father joining in for games on my yard. The problem was finally solved
when I called the police and had them give him a talking to.

Maybe I should've shot them all huh? Oh, wait, that's only an option
if they are dogs right?

Dave

Why didn't you want those kids in your yard?

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"Dave Hall" wrote in message
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On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 22:58:48 -0400, "Don"
wrote:


If someone (or many someones) makes a habit of cutting across your
lawn

shred

We're not talking about someone cutting across your yard, Dave.

How else would he get there?

Pay attention.
Answer the question directly.
Quit stalling and fidgeting, if you're capable.

You have the legal means at your disposal to address trespassing
issues. If these avenues do not solve the problem, you can only do so
much to prevent continued transgressions. Putting up a fence would
solve the problem.

Dave


In many towns, including mine, zoning laws prohibit the installation of
fences within a certain distance of the front property line. That often
leaves 1/3 to 1/2 of the front vulnerable. Then what?

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"Dave Hall" wrote in message
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I grow a garden for pleasure,

You don't sound like you are very happy if you constantly complain
about everyone who doesn't share your ideal view of what it means to
be a "good neighbor"

1) "everyone doesn't share", correctly defined: Neighbor says I have a nice
garden. I offer to help them if they want to create one. They say "Nah...I
don't think I have as much patience as you do". We have a beer and I send
them home with some tomatoes.

2) "everyone doesn't share", INcorrectly defined: Neighbor is informed that
their dog is damaging my garden. They do nothing to stop the problem.



Oh....and let me shut down your "build a fence" bull**** once and for
all.
During my last two years in my house, I added certain vegetables to the
front flower beds. Some vegetables are quite attractive alongside
flowers.
Our zoning laws prohibit building fences within a certain distance from
the
street. That leaves no options except to deal with the dogs in various
ways,
beginning with the legal system.

Then put your garden in a place which allows fences.

How long did it take you to look up that statute to use as yet another
excuse?

We put up a partial fence in the back so we didn't need to look at our
neighbor's rusty swing set a dirty underwear on the laundry line. Every
fence contractor we called explained the zoning law for our particular
location, in case we were thinking of taking the fence further toward the
front of the property.

Any more stupid questions?

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On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 14:40:33 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
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On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 17:46:30 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:



Ok, if we stick to your binary view of property, you are either on
your property or someone else's. When you leave your property, am I
to
assume that you are intending to damage someone else's property?

Don't say stupid things. We're talking about a dog, not a person.

Why not? The principle's the same.

Don't be ridiculous. I define **** on my property as damage. It's my
property, so my definition is the only one that's valid.

The law would seem to disagree with you.

Actually, the simple concept of "private property" is the basis of a whole
slew of laws. Regardless of how these laws are picked apart, only one phrase
is needed to shut down arguments: private property. This is why people can
get away with painting a house pink and putting stupid stuffed sheep and
plastic flamingoes on their front lawns.

Now you sound like a libertarian, placing property rights above
individual rights. And in many (and a growing number of) places you
CAN'T paint your house pink or put tacky lawn ornaments out.


To say that a dog intends to do damage every time he leave his lawn is
also false. A dog is a four legged anarchist. He's just doing his
thing.

I never said the dog intended to do it. I said that the owner intends for
the dog to do it.

That premise is false as it is based on the assumption that the dog
owner premeditated the act. Most dog owners do not apply that much
thought to a simple act of letting their critter out to roam. My dog
dropped immediately when it hits my grass. If it roams afterward, it's
AFTER it's done doing its business.


The owner lets the dog roam because the owner is lazy. He
doesn't want to take the time to walk the dog, and/or the owner doesn't want
to take the time to clean up dog crap in his OWN yard. So, the owner
transfers that work to other people.

But what about the many cases where the dog DOES drop in their own
yard first? Are you denying that these examples are usually the rule
and not the exception.? A dog tends to "go" where it is most
comfortable and familiar, and that usually means in his own yard.



If it was discovered that a person didn't change his baby's diaper for 3
days at a time, that person's baby would quickly be taken away by a local
child welfare agency until it could be determined just what was wrong with
the parent. You would have no problem with this.

Actually I have a big problem with CPS groups who typically overstep
their authority and make many subjective judgement calls on what it
considers "abuse". That's why so many parents are afraid to discipline
their kids out of fear that CPS will take them away. The results are
yet another generation of kids who grow up like Don.


It's the same type of
negligence being practiced by the dog owner. Some people aren't fit to be
parents or pet owners.

Doug, We've been through this. You are 100% correct. Some people
aren't cut out to be pet owners. But that fact STILL does not give you
the right to take matters into your own hands.



I still don't understand your continual reference to coprophilia. What
does this have to do with anything? Who handled dog crap?
The fact that you place a greater importance, than most people, to
normally trivial things like dog droppings, paints the picture that
YOU are the one suffering from coprophilia.

Coprophilia is the practice of handling feces for enjoyment, especially
sexual enjoyment. If your dog craps where innocent people will step in it,
chances are good that it will need to be cleaned off that person's shoes
before they can reenter their home. You feel this is not such a bad chore. I
have chosen to take it further and say that you haven't told us everything.
Not only do you find the cleaning process "not so bad", you actually enjoy
it very much. Therefore, you are practicing coprophilia.

Your logic process is well..... out to lunch. How can you reach that
conclusion based on the available facts? What should be apparent is
that I am just not as sensitive to the same trivial issues as you seem
to be.



I feel that if you want to use hand puppets 100% of the time when having sex
with your wife, that's fine by me. I don't need to know about it. You're two
consenting adults. Same with coprophilia. Keep that sort of thrill to
yourself. If I want to know more about it, I'll ask.

As far as my "suffering from coprophila", wrong. You have interpreted the
word to mean "obsessed with NOT coming into contact with feces". Check a
dictionary.

You are the one who appears to be fixated with feces. Whether it
brings you pleasure or pain, it never seems far from you mind. I would
take it further then to suggest that your fixation is the basis for
your whole problem.

Dave

When would you board someone else's boat??
 

On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 13:22:01 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
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On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 17:53:00 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

You have an overinflated sense of what the rest of society owes you
WRT consideration.

Dave

Really? If you had my flower garden, you were out at night enjoying the
sights and smells, and I thought it was cute to shine one of the zillion
candlepower searchlights in your face, how many days would it take before
you had an ulcer? After all, you wouldn't actually DO anything about it,
right?

Why would someone do that? You speak as if you have first hand
experience. One has to wonder why you have so many issues with
neighbors.


You come up with so many "annoyances" with relation to neighbors, I
have to wonder just what you were like to live next too. I'd love to
talk to your former neighbors. I'm sure they have some interesting
stories to tell.......

Dave


Actually, Dave, you've avoided the question. I've simply offered an example
of something you would find annoying and perhaps painful. Using this
searchlight example, what would be analogous to a fence?

Sunglasses?

Dave

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On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 23:03:34 -0400, "Don"
wrote:


"Dave Hall" wrote in message
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On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 00:53:44 -0400, "Don"
wrote:

"Dave Hall" wrote
Nature does not include guns. Nor do animals kill for sport or
revenge. But a few weeks of rain will dissolve dog droppings.

Then you would have no problem with someone else's dogs ****ting in your
yard on a regular basis?

Personally, I don't care.

Thank you for admitting that.
Many of us won't stoop to that trailer park level.

For someone with your attitude, a trailer park would be an
improvement.


When you get to the point of being a *homeowner* rather than a renter,
you'll learn to appreciate property rights.

I am fairly confident that I've been a homeowner for longer than
you've been out of diapers.

Until then, shut the **** up.

Using your own attitude, I challenge you to make me shut up. Don't
like it? Well that's anarchy. So deal with it or STFU. You can't have
it both ways.

Dave

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On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 14:52:13 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
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On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 16:23:53 -0400, DSK wrote:

Dave Hall wrote:
I grasp it just fine.

In that case, when are you going to accept responsibility for your
actions?

I do, when they are truly mine.

Liar. In another message, you said that if your dog crapped while you were
walking it, you wouldn't clean it up. You wondered how you would clean it
up. "With what?", you asked. Lame excuse.

Sorry, But I'm not about to carry a bucket and shovel around with me
when I jog. In my town it's not an issue. We at least have enough
common sense out here to realize that other critters besides dogs use
the ground to "dump" on, and it makes little sense to force dog owners
to clean up after messes that wild animals are free to engage in.

..... I don't expect other people
to keep their pets off of my lawn

So, we should think the same way? OK. I want to tie your daughter to your
stairway bannister and run a video camera as I play "hide the salami" with
her rear end. I know the law frowns on that sort of thing with minors, but
based on your logic, the law is flexible, designed to be ignored based on
what feels right to each of us.

You really do hold one standard for all issues don't you. A truly one
dimensional thinker.

You are a really sick *******. I'm done with you. You'll never be
happy as long as you harbor such thoughts.

Dave

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On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 23:08:34 -0400, "Don"
wrote:


"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"Dave Hall" wrote in message
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On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 16:23:53 -0400, DSK wrote:

Dave Hall wrote:
I grasp it just fine.

In that case, when are you going to accept responsibility for your
actions?

I do, when they are truly mine.

Liar. In another message, you said that if your dog crapped while you were
walking it, you wouldn't clean it up. You wondered how you would clean it
up. "With what?", you asked. Lame excuse.

He's a lying cowardly *******, a socialist.
He thinks rules are for you and me, but not him.

Yet you are an anarchist who believes in abolishing order and rules.
What doesn't make sense here?


He deserves to be gang raped and killed.

And you deserve a lobotomy. For the protection of the rest of society.

His *type* drag the rest of us backwards.

Anarchy is hardly progressive. Hell even Harry thinks you're not
wrapped too tight. You're extreme even by my standards.

Dave

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On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 23:06:46 -0400, "Don"
wrote:


"Dave Hall" wrote
The problem with your examples are that they are extreme. I would no
more deliberately bring my dog to another property than I would
deliberately pass by another boat at close range while pre-planing.

You're full of **** and you don't own a boat, or anything of value.

Oh? I welcome you to peruse the following link to see my collection of
boats:

http://home.ptd.net/~n3cvj/boatpics.htm

I accept your apology.

Dave

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On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 13:42:35 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
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It's safe to assume, then, that you throw empty beverage containers out
of
your boat.



With what evidence do you base this "assumption"?

Dave

You allow your dog to roam and claim to not know with 100% certainty that
it's crapping on someone else's garden.

When did your hypothetical example of a careless neighbor suddenly
morph into a situation involving "my" dog? I know with 100% certainty
that my dog was not crapping on my neighbor's yard.

Most people who care so little about
their neighbors usually have a long list of things they think they can get
away with.

Like arbitrarily killing other people's pets who annoy us?

Maybe I should ask you if YOU throw your empty's overboard?


You're a regular Sigmund Freud.

In your mind anyway.

Dave