When would you board someone else's boat??
 

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
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You made a blanket statement. Do you kill silverfish if you find them in
your cellar? How about a mosquito biting your arm?



Doug, you're grasping at straws (Soon you'll have enough to build
another strawman) here. Is the amplification and the taking of
statements to the extreme and out of context your only means of
avoiding the core issue?

A life is a life, regardless of whether it's useful to you or not. If you
believe it's cruel to kill a dog, then you believe it's cruel to kill ANY
animal unless it threatens your life. You should not be killing bugs because
they annoy you or cows because you love steak.


Do you believe that you have the right to kill a dog that strays on
your property, despite what the law may say to the contrary?

Honestly, Dave, even if the law didn't explicitly allow it, and a specific
set of conditions*** were met, I'd do it anyway. Want to know how I'd
justify it? I'd use YOUR rules: You kill mosquitoes without giving it a
second thought because they annoy you. I can kill a dog if it annoys me.
Unless you can tell me that you kill mosquitoes because you eat them, like
beef, you can't wiggle out of this one.

*** You know the conditions. Do not ask again.

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"Dave Hall" wrote in message
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It's safe to assume, then, that you throw empty beverage containers out
of
your boat.



With what evidence do you base this "assumption"?

Dave

You allow your dog to roam and claim to not know with 100% certainty that
it's crapping on someone else's garden. Most people who care so little about
their neighbors usually have a long list of things they think they can get
away with.

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On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 18:00:48 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
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On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 13:26:40 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
.. .

Hey....here's a question for little Dave: The law in most towns says
that
if
you have a pool, you must have a fence with a gate that locks. Do you
think
that's nonsense, and that it should be up to the neighbors to keep
their
kids from drowning in your pool?

It's interesting you should bring this up. Using your mindset, parents
should make sure that their kids do not roam on to your lawn. It's
THEIR responsibility to protect the safety of their immature children.
I would tend to agree that it's a parent's responsibility to tend to
the well being of their kids.

For the most part, kids don't **** on your lawn.

You do seem unusually fixated on fecal matter. IS that the only thing
that matters to you?

If you get it in the treads of your boots, where do you take the boots to
clean them off? Let's assume it's a HUGE amount of ****.

Garden hose?


However, it is a dog's sole
purpose while roaming to find places to **** and mark territory.

You don't know much about dogs Doug.

Right. They're out collecting soda cans so they can get the nickles.

Maybe they are. Some even have girlfriends.


When a dog
roams the neighborhood, it's pretty much guaranteed that it's going to
leave
**** someplace.

Really? I used to be able to take my dog for long walks with me (on a
leash), and it never dropped anything until we returned home.

If it did stop to crap on someone's property, would you clean it up?

With what? And where would I put it? I usually walked in the street so
that if a (rare) accidental dropping would occur, it would be in the
street and not in someone's yard.

For the record again Doug, I do not disagree with you that dog owners
should be more responsible with their dogs roaming habits. I just
don't agree that you have the right to kill the dog who gets away more
often than not.

But you said that YOU sometimes let your dog out without chaining it in
your
yard,

When I let the dog out without using the rope, I kept an eye on her to
make sure she didn't roam, and she usually didn't. A 13 year old dog
is not too interested in exploring new ground.

It's a safe bet that you'd let any dog you owned run out the door
unsupervised.

Why would you say that? I have no desire to allow my dog to roam
unsupervised. The only reason I had been letting her out without
restraint, was that she had been advancing in age, and no longer prone
to roam far. For the previous 13 years, she was ALWAYS restrained.
That's why MY yard was a minefield of droppings, not my neighbor's.

Quite frankly, I'm happy to be rid of the mess.


Dave

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On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 00:56:39 -0400, "Don"
wrote:


"Dave Hall" wrote
I have mixed feelings about the pool/fence thing. On the one hand,
unauthorized people have no business trespassing on your yard, and any
problems they get into should be on them. On the other hand, since
many laws are made to protect the irresponsible, they transferred the
responsibility to everyone else when they require you to prevent kids
from wandering into your pool. But while I disagree with the law in
principle, the amount of effort to put up a fence is not that great,
and if it saves even one life, it's probably worth it.

Then why shouldn't the irresponsible people that let their kids run loose
foot the bill for the fence, around their yard?
Why should the people with the pool have to pay for the fence?


The fence is your insurance. It protects you from liability lawsuits,
and it's required by most homeowner's insurance policies.

Maybe that's not the way it should be, but it's the way it IS.

Dave

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"Dave Hall" wrote in message
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On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 17:02:26 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

What??? No - I'm guilty the moment the razor blades go into my pocket.


Ok then. The next question I have is, do you refrain from stealing
those $50 worth of razor blades because you know it's morally wrong,
or because you feel that you have a good chance of getting caught?

Dave

Choice A, Dave. If I shop in a store, it's because I like the place. The
owner or company has created a place that serves me well. They deserve to
prosper.

Well, that is an answer. Just not the answer to the question which I
asked. I didn't ask where you shop and why. I asked you whether you
refrain from stealing because you believe, through an inner sense of
morality, that it's the "right" thing to do, or whether you do so
because you don't want to take the chance of getting caught and being
forced to atone for your crime?


Wait! Let me head off your next question. No, I do not steal from places
I
do NOT like.

Somehow I don't think you will give me a straight answer to my first
question. You are deliberately vague and non committal. Not unlike a
certain democratic presidential wannabee.

Dave

Knucklehead. I most certainly DID answer your question. But, sometimes I use
answers which contain more than one word, which I know befuddles you. If you
need me to take it a step further, here goes: There was a point in my life
when everything fell apart financially and I didn't want to go to my parents
for various reasons. Ever heard of washing dishes for food? I could've
easily shoplifted in a supermarket. I washed dishes for food in three
restaurants.

If that doesn't answer your question, print this response and read it to one
of your children. They'll explain it to you.

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"Dave Hall" wrote in message
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On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 19:58:40 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

Frankly, I'm not sure, but that wasn't the point.


Then what is?

Dave

A previous message mentioned a vanishing cat. That seemed OK with you. So,
what difference does it make HOW a pet vanishes, whether it's whisked away
by animal control to place where it will likely be euthanized eventually, or
if it's flattened by a car? Gone is gone.

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"Dave Hall" wrote in message
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On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 17:24:25 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

That's a FAR better solution than Doug's "vanishing" act.



Mine's just another version of the same thing.

No it's not. An animal control person is acting within the boundaries
of the law. You are not. And they merely remove the animal. You kill
it.

Quite a few animals picked up by animal control end up euthanized, Dave.
Call your local dog catcher and ask. Yes, there are animal welfare groups
which try and rescue as many as they can, but the fact is that if your pet's
taken away due to negligence on your part, you should assume it'll be worm
food soon. The law does not define how dead your pet will be. Dead is dead.


But hang on....something's
wrong here....the animal shelter stole someone's cat. That's OK with you?

It's not considered theft. Why do you have so much trouble
differentiating these differences?

Cat scratches car. Cat is taken by animal control. Cat is gone.
Dog damages private property. Dog is taken by landowner. Dog is gone.
Same thing. Pet is gone.


What if your dog is hit by a car because you let if off your property
unsupervised. Would it bother you if the driver stopped for a moment,
looked
in his mirror to see what he'd hit, saw that it was not a human and just
kept going?

What does this have to do with the original topic? Why do you feel
the need to go off on slightly related, but not relevant, tangents to
deflect from that which makes you uncomfortable?

I dont' do it to deflect. I do it in a pointless attempt to make you think,
or sometimes to befuddle you because it's entertaining.

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Well another compassionate liberal jumps in.

The difference between a dog attacking his dog and a dog taking a **** in
his yard should be obvious to anyone. You are allowed to protect yourself
and your family (most people consider a pet as part of the family) when they
are placed in immediate danger. The courts would say that your neighbor
was justified in protecting his pet. Now if the Shepard attacked his first
dog and killed him, and then returned home. The courts would not allow the
neighbor to then walk into his house or backyard to kill the Shepard. The
legal system is designed so that people do not take the law into their own
hands.


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Some years ago, a neighbor who had two dogs, a sheltie and a cocker
spaniel, lost the sheltie to another neighbor's German shepherd. The two
little dogs were in their own yard, kept there by training and by an
"invisible" fence...one of those electronic fences.

About a month later, the shepherd came back for another visit, and
started going after the cocker spaniel. The spaniel owner came out and
bashed in the skull of the shepherd with a shovel, and then dragged the
carcass out to the middle of the road.

All's well that ends well.

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...


Some years ago, a neighbor who had two dogs, a sheltie and a cocker
spaniel, lost the sheltie to another neighbor's German shepherd. The two
little dogs were in their own yard, kept there by training and by an
"invisible" fence...one of those electronic fences.

About a month later, the shepherd came back for another visit, and
started going after the cocker spaniel. The spaniel owner came out and
bashed in the skull of the shepherd with a shovel, and then dragged the
carcass out to the middle of the road.

All's well that ends well.

I would've dragged the shepherd to the owner's home with the hope that his
children were there to see it. But that's me. Sometimes I like more drama
than other people.

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"Dave Hall" wrote in message
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On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 17:25:34 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:


I guess this is the difference between you and I Doug. I suspect that
we both would get really ****ed off, and would desire to retaliate in
some way, which would ensure that it never happened again. The
difference is that you would probably carry it through, while I would
likely restrain myself by a very strong sense of morality. I'd
probably make sure I parked the car in the garage (You do have one of
those right?) from then on. If the cat happened to end up dead in the
road the next week, I'd chalk it up to "God's Revenge".

Dave

God's revenge, eh? Interesting name for a Sopranos-style solution, Dave.
See? You DO have a dark side.

I don't think you understand. I would not be the one who was
responsible for the cat ending up dead. The fact is that the cat got
hit by a car and, by extension, solves my little problem.

To paraphrase the bible, "vengeance is mine, says the lord". I've
often had bad things done to me in the past, by less than civilized
people, only to find out later that some even worse thing happened to
them. Coincidence? Maybe. But in any case, they got what they
deserved. What goes around, comes around. God's Revenge.

Dave

Whether you kill the cat, or revel in its death, it's still your dark side
revealing itself.