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"Dave Hall" wrote in message
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To paraphrase the bible, "vengeance is mine, says the lord". I've
often had bad things done to me in the past, by less than civilized
people, only to find out later that some even worse thing happened to
them. Coincidence? Maybe. But in any case, they got what they
deserved. What goes around, comes around. God's Revenge.

I knew this nonsense was lurking somewhere. It was just a matter of time
before you tipped your hand (again).

While you're waiting for god's revenge, the crimes are still being committed
and you are suffering. Suffering is a trademark of religion. I choose NOT to
suffer, so I take care of things myself. I grow a garden for pleasure, not
as bait for evolutionary mistakes and their pets.

Oh....and let me shut down your "build a fence" bull**** once and for all.
During my last two years in my house, I added certain vegetables to the
front flower beds. Some vegetables are quite attractive alongside flowers.
Our zoning laws prohibit building fences within a certain distance from the
street. That leaves no options except to deal with the dogs in various ways,
beginning with the legal system.

No more fence talk, Dave.

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"Dave Hall" wrote in message
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On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 17:46:30 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:



Ok, if we stick to your binary view of property, you are either on
your property or someone else's. When you leave your property, am I
to
assume that you are intending to damage someone else's property?

Don't say stupid things. We're talking about a dog, not a person.

Why not? The principle's the same.

Don't be ridiculous. I define **** on my property as damage. It's my
property, so my definition is the only one that's valid.

The law would seem to disagree with you.

Actually, the simple concept of "private property" is the basis of a whole
slew of laws. Regardless of how these laws are picked apart, only one phrase
is needed to shut down arguments: private property. This is why people can
get away with painting a house pink and putting stupid stuffed sheep and
plastic flamingoes on their front lawns.


All stray dogs ****
someplace, and it's rarely on their owner's property.

Really? Then I guess all those "doggie donuts" in my yard are a
figment of my imagination?

No dog can be told
"Have a nice walk, and don't **** at these addresses". With these
absolutes
in mind, we've already established that the dog owner accepts these
truths
and continues to make these things happen.

To say that a human intends to do damage every time he leaves his
property
is, for the most part, false. Except for my wife's cousin's kid.

To say that a dog intends to do damage every time he leave his lawn is
also false. A dog is a four legged anarchist. He's just doing his
thing.

I never said the dog intended to do it. I said that the owner intends for
the dog to do it. The owner lets the dog roam because the owner is lazy. He
doesn't want to take the time to walk the dog, and/or the owner doesn't want
to take the time to clean up dog crap in his OWN yard. So, the owner
transfers that work to other people.

If it was discovered that a person didn't change his baby's diaper for 3
days at a time, that person's baby would quickly be taken away by a local
child welfare agency until it could be determined just what was wrong with
the parent. You would have no problem with this. It's the same type of
negligence being practiced by the dog owner. Some people aren't fit to be
parents or pet owners.


I still don't understand your continual reference to coprophilia. What
does this have to do with anything? Who handled dog crap?
The fact that you place a greater importance, than most people, to
normally trivial things like dog droppings, paints the picture that
YOU are the one suffering from coprophilia.

Coprophilia is the practice of handling feces for enjoyment, especially
sexual enjoyment. If your dog craps where innocent people will step in it,
chances are good that it will need to be cleaned off that person's shoes
before they can reenter their home. You feel this is not such a bad chore. I
have chosen to take it further and say that you haven't told us everything.
Not only do you find the cleaning process "not so bad", you actually enjoy
it very much. Therefore, you are practicing coprophilia.

I feel that if you want to use hand puppets 100% of the time when having sex
with your wife, that's fine by me. I don't need to know about it. You're two
consenting adults. Same with coprophilia. Keep that sort of thrill to
yourself. If I want to know more about it, I'll ask.

As far as my "suffering from coprophila", wrong. You have interpreted the
word to mean "obsessed with NOT coming into contact with feces". Check a
dictionary.


By law, they are required to keep the dog on their own property, unless
they're being walked. If there's no fence and the dog is allowed outside
unsupervised, then only an idiot would assume that the dog will not roam
eventually.

And if you had a fence, there's no way that dog would be able to
wander onto your yard. Case closed.

In another message, I explained the fallacy of your repeating this fence
thing. Go find the message.


When we finally got a real dog catcher who was good at seeing
through peoples' excuses, I stood and watched as he warned a dog owner
NEVER
to try that line on him again.

Why not, does he have a problem with the truth?

Because he'd gotten complaints from several neighbors about the same dog.
There was no mistaking this dog for another. Therefore, it was NOT the
truth
in this case.

But it doesn't change the truth that the owner may not have been aware
that the dog left the property.

Anywhere there are laws prohibiting dogs roaming off the leash, those laws
are based on the very assumption which you claim to be false. If you think
this statement is incorrect, explain why. In other words, why do YOU think
such laws exist?


Then, he took her dog away. I went home and
celebrated with a beer.

If the dog is properly licensed, and has not attacked anyone, which
would lead the animal control people to consider them dangerous, then
the owner has every right to reclaim the dog. I have YET to see or
hear of a case where a dog was euthanized for crapping on someone's
lawn. You are more than welcome to prove me wrong by providing the
particulars (verifiable of course).

I never said dogs were euthanized by the animal control department simply
for being strays. Here, you get a warning for the first violation, a
hefty
fine for the 2nd, and for the third incident, your dog is taken away and
you
are slapped with a VERY annoying fine. I believe it's $300 now, but I'm
not
sure. Your dog is gone for good. It goes to a place called Lollypop Farm
where it's kept for a period of time, waiting for adoption. Because so
many
people don't get their pets vaccinated & neutered, the place charges a
nominal fee when you adopt a pet. So, you pay more than once to get your
vermine back, if you're dumb enough to do that after 3 violations and a
scolding from a judge. If an animal's not adopted after a period of time,
it's euthanized.

In the Philly area, they have trouble removing dogs which are
mistreated, bread for combat, or to attack people (Pit Bulls are
especially bad), or create a public health hazard. I find it hard to
believe they respond so forcefully to such trivial issues like
dropping on lawns. I guess in your area, they don't have better things
to do.

That's a slam. How about this: In my part of town, we have less people who
feel so threatened by intruders that they need to keep mutant dogs. Five
miles from me, in the city proper, it's just like Philly. The cops are
trained to put down mutant dogs right on the spot. It's a wonderful thing.


Incidentally, whatever television judge you base your ideas on
would've
also
slammed a dog owner for saying "I didn't know....". That's an insult
to
anyone's intelligence.

It doesn't change the fact that an irate neighbor is civilly liable
for killing their neighbors dog regardless of the reason.

You're the legal expert, based on your television judges. I guess you're
right.

The venue with which the case was presented is irrelevant. The laws
are sound, and proven in court. I watch Court TV on occasion. I find
it interesting. These are REAL cases, not Perry Mason re-runs.

I prefer to get my information direct from the source, especially local
sources. Next thing, you'll be telling me zoning laws are the same here as
they are in your town, because you believe they are.

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"Don" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"Dave Hall" wrote in message

Ok, if we stick to your binary view of property, you are either on
your property or someone else's. When you leave your property, am I to
assume that you are intending to damage someone else's property?

Don't say stupid things. We're talking about a dog, not a person.

You're kidding, right?
I'm still wondering why you are trying to argue with a child?




Sport. I can't go fishing until later. This one's like the lone bluegill
that bites your hook 673 times in the same afternoon, even though it's
hardly got any lips left.

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"Dave Hall" wrote in message
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On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 18:00:48 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
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On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 13:26:40 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
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Hey....here's a question for little Dave: The law in most towns
says
that
if
you have a pool, you must have a fence with a gate that locks. Do
you
think
that's nonsense, and that it should be up to the neighbors to keep
their
kids from drowning in your pool?

It's interesting you should bring this up. Using your mindset,
parents
should make sure that their kids do not roam on to your lawn. It's
THEIR responsibility to protect the safety of their immature
children.
I would tend to agree that it's a parent's responsibility to tend to
the well being of their kids.

For the most part, kids don't **** on your lawn.

You do seem unusually fixated on fecal matter. IS that the only thing
that matters to you?

If you get it in the treads of your boots, where do you take the boots to
clean them off? Let's assume it's a HUGE amount of ****.

Garden hose?

Ha. Talk about stepping in it.....you just did. I now live in an apartment.
The neighborhood's full of stray dogs. The hose outlet is covered by a
locked box so the entire complex doesn't have a car washing party. Where
would you suggest I clean my shoes? Kitchen sink? Bathtub? See? Now the
crime has been compounded. Unfortunately, this isn't MY private property, or
I'd settle the issue.


Really? I used to be able to take my dog for long walks with me (on a
leash), and it never dropped anything until we returned home.

If it did stop to crap on someone's property, would you clean it up?

With what? And where would I put it? I usually walked in the street so
that if a (rare) accidental dropping would occur, it would be in the
street and not in someone's yard.

With a tool and a bag, you idiot. The street is shared property. Nobody
wants it on the sidewalks. Kids play on the sidewalks. Kids (all kids,
everywhere, throughout recorded history) put their hands near or in their
mouths. Regardless of what the law says, it's your responsibility to clean
it up within seconds of it happening. Period.

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"Don" wrote in message news:l%%jc.246
Logic? What's logical about anarchy? Anarchy is chaos, and chaos is
the antithesis of logic.

You're full of ****.
Here, I'll help you out : www.m-w.com
Go look it up and get back with us.


Yes, Dave, socialist.
You go with the flow, the collective, for you haven't the mental capacity to
do otherwise.
You simply parrot what you have seen on TEEVEE.
Example: You silly notion that anarchy = chaos, just like the bought media
has taught you.


Hate to burst your bubble, but as usual, you are wrong:

Entry: anarchy
Function: noun
Definition: lawlessness
Synonyms: chaos, confusion, disorder, disorganization, disregard,
hostility, mob rule, nihilism, nongovernment, rebellion, revolution,
riot, turmoil
Antonyms: law and order, lawfulness, order, organization, rule
Concept: govt/political action
Source: Roget's Interactive Thesaurus, First Edition (v 1.0.0)
Copyright © 2004 by Lexico Publishing Group, LLC. All rights reserved.

See the synomym?

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"Don" wrote in message ...
"Dave Hall" wrote
In theory that would be true. But you and I both know that there are
too many people in the world who do not rise to the occasion when it
comes to personal responsibility.

Yeah, and one of them is you.
You would prefer a bureaucracy to enforce your rights for you because you
are too stupidcowardly to do it yourself.
Anarchy = chaos. LOL
Yeah right, keep telling yourself that moron.

Hmm, moron, huh? I think YOU are the one being moronic:

Entry Word: anarchy
Function: noun
Text: 1 absence of effective government or the resulting social
disorder complete anarchy followed the breakdown of communications
Synonyms chaos, lawlessness, mobocracy, ochlocracy

Entry Word: chaos
Function: noun
Text: 1
Synonyms CONFUSION 3, ataxia, ||ballup, clutter, disarray, disorder,
huddle, muddle, snarl, topsyturviness
2
Synonyms ANARCHY 1, lawlessness, mobocracy, ochlocracy
Related Word misrule, unruliness

Entry: anarchy
Function: noun
Definition: lawlessness
Synonyms: chaos, confusion, disorder, disorganization, disregard,
hostility, mob rule, nihilism, nongovernment, rebellion, revolution,
riot, turmoil
Antonyms: law and order, lawfulness, order, organization, rule
Concept: govt/political action
Source: Roget's Interactive Thesaurus, First Edition (v 1.0.0)
Copyright © 2004 by Lexico Publishing Group, LLC. All rights reserved.

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"Dave Hall" wrote in message
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On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 16:23:53 -0400, DSK wrote:

Dave Hall wrote:
I grasp it just fine.

In that case, when are you going to accept responsibility for your
actions?

I do, when they are truly mine.

Liar. In another message, you said that if your dog crapped while you were
walking it, you wouldn't clean it up. You wondered how you would clean it
up. "With what?", you asked. Lame excuse.


..... I don't expect other people
to keep their pets off of my lawn

So, we should think the same way? OK. I want to tie your daughter to your
stairway bannister and run a video camera as I play "hide the salami" with
her rear end. I know the law frowns on that sort of thing with minors, but
based on your logic, the law is flexible, designed to be ignored based on
what feels right to each of us.

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"Dave Hall" wrote in message
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On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 00:52:29 -0400, "Don"
wrote:


"Dave Hall" wrote in message
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On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 20:15:23 -0400, "Don"
wrote:


"Dave Hall" wrote
Right, which is why someone who is as concerned about crop damage as
you are, would be well advised to take preventative measure, such as
erecting a fence. Don't rely on everyone else to protect your
investment. You have as much (if not more) responsibility to keep
your
valuables away from harm.

Was this clipped from the Marxist manifesto? Seriously.....LOL

You really need to study marxism and socialism. Seriously.......

If you think that personal responsibility is a socialist trait, you
are really out there......

There's something wrong with this boys circuit board.
Hey Dave, if your neighbor can't keep himself out of your yard it is not
your responsibility to put up a fence, now is it?

If someone (or many someones) makes a habit of cutting across your
lawn

shred

We're not talking about someone cutting across your yard, Dave.
Pay attention.
Answer the question directly.
Quit stalling and fidgeting, if you're capable.

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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"Dave Hall" wrote in message
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On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 00:52:29 -0400, "Don"
wrote:


"Dave Hall" wrote in message
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On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 20:15:23 -0400, "Don"

wrote:


"Dave Hall" wrote
Right, which is why someone who is as concerned about crop damage
as
you are, would be well advised to take preventative measure, such
as
erecting a fence. Don't rely on everyone else to protect your
investment. You have as much (if not more) responsibility to keep
your
valuables away from harm.

Was this clipped from the Marxist manifesto? Seriously.....LOL

You really need to study marxism and socialism. Seriously.......

If you think that personal responsibility is a socialist trait, you
are really out there......

There's something wrong with this boys circuit board.
Hey Dave, if your neighbor can't keep himself out of your yard it is
not
your responsibility to put up a fence, now is it?

If someone (or many someones) makes a habit of cutting across your
lawn (Many kids do that as they are too lazy to go around the block),
you have basically 4 options:

1. Lie in wait to catch each and every kid, each and every time they
do it. You can then berate them and threaten them, and pretty much
guarantee that your house will be egged by the next mischief night.

2. You could complain to the cops, who would have to also catch them
in the act to "do something" about it.

3. You could become an anarchistic, anti-social lunatic and shoot
them.

4. You could put up a fence which effective bars their ability to
trespass.

Now, which one do you think will be ultimately the most effective?
Which one would most likely lead to legal trouble for you (not that
you'd care)?



Dave

You can also use their t-shirts as handles to escort the kids back to
their
parents and discuss the issue with them.

Don't be sucked in by Daves socialist ploys.
I asked him a direct question, that he failed to answer.
Instead, he spent a lot of time nibbling around the edge.

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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"Dave Hall" wrote in message
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On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 17:53:00 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

You have an overinflated sense of what the rest of society owes you
WRT consideration.

Dave

Really? If you had my flower garden, you were out at night enjoying the
sights and smells, and I thought it was cute to shine one of the
zillion
candlepower searchlights in your face, how many days would it take
before
you had an ulcer? After all, you wouldn't actually DO anything about
it,
right?

Why would someone do that? You speak as if you have first hand
experience. One has to wonder why you have so many issues with
neighbors.


You come up with so many "annoyances" with relation to neighbors, I
have to wonder just what you were like to live next too. I'd love to
talk to your former neighbors. I'm sure they have some interesting
stories to tell.......

Dave


Actually, Dave, you've avoided the question.

Finally, you're catching on.
Dave rarely answers questions.
That is the mark of a coward, someone that *needs* a gov't to do their dirty
work for them.