When would you board someone else's boat??
 

"Dave Hall" wrote
You're trying to argue with a person that has the mental capacity of a
child.

He won't respect YOUR property rights, but if HIS property rights are
violated he starts squealling like a bald tire.

The law works both ways.

***YAWN***

You watch a lot of TEEVEE don't you?
Don't fib now.

When would you board someone else's boat??
 

It's safe to assume, then, that you throw empty beverage containers out of
your boat.



With what evidence do you base this "assumption"?

Dave

When would you board someone else's boat??
 

On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 01:02:04 -0400, "Don"
wrote:


It is you that doesn't know that you are a socialist.
You don't seem to know much about anything at all, Dave.
You don't have a spine nor a brain and you speak like a child.
And you expect anyone at all to lend you any creedence?



Since we've resorted to ad-hominem attacks, I suppose I owe you
this....

You come off like the spoiled child of rich (or sufficiently well-off)
liberal parents who never taught you that pride and self esteem are
the result of accomplishment, rather than a trait in and of itself.
You were never denied anything, and therefore were never able to
understand the boundaries which life provides. It is likely that you
were raised with few, if any, siblings and the concepts of sharing and
cooperation were never instilled in you. As a result you developed a
strong sense of individuality, independence, and a general lack of
regard for the needs and rights of others.

As you grew older, your misplaced ideals likely caused friction
between you and your social peers, who you would ultimately alienate.
This led to a general feeling of disenfranchisement, and a
re-enforcing of your "I'll do what I want, and screw everyone else"
attitude. You were probably fairly intelligent, but a severe
underachiever, as you were constantly questioning the relevance of
school and the subjects which were taught. I doubt if you were
involved in any extracurricular school activities, and you only did
what you needed to get by. Your whole attitude with regard to society
and how easily you confuse the concepts of harmonious society with
socialism, underscore the extreme views which you hold. You should 've
paid more attention when you were in school.

I doubt that you could be much over 30, as attitudes like yours
eventually lead either to jail or, if you are lucky, a period of
introspection and revelation, followed by an abrupt change.

I knew all sorts of misfits who were into "anarchy", back in the glory
days of underground hacker BBSes 20 years ago. It was the "cool" thing
for disenfranchised young people to reject society and the
establishment (A common deflection tactic for underachievers). Not too
different from the hippies of the 60's. But like swimming upstream, it
becomes overwhelming to continue, and quite frankly, most people
eventually mature. When this finally happens to you, is anyone's
guess.

Dave

When would you board someone else's boat??
 

On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 16:53:30 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 13:31:11 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
.. .

You bemoan "inconsiderate" neighbors, who may be guilty of some
degree
of negligence, but "retaliate" against them with an equally
inconsiderate response. I'm sorry but you will never convince me
that
you are morally or legally authorized to terminate the life of
another
living being no matter what "damage" or inconvenience they may have
caused you. There are proper channels to seek out compensation or
retribution for these acts. That these proper channels are not "good
enough" for you is not our problem.

Dave

So, you're a vegetarian?

Relevance?

You said "....you will never convince me that you are morally or legally
authorized to terminate the life of another living being no matter what
"damage" or inconvenience they may have caused you."

You do that every time you eat meat.


Irrelevant. Totally unrelated circumstance. Are you planning to eat
your neighbor's dog?

Dave

You made a blanket statement. Do you kill silverfish if you find them in
your cellar? How about a mosquito biting your arm?



Doug, you're grasping at straws (Soon you'll have enough to build
another strawman) here. Is the amplification and the taking of
statements to the extreme and out of context your only means of
avoiding the core issue?

Do you believe that you have the right to kill a dog that strays on
your property, despite what the law may say to the contrary?

Until you are kind enough to provide a link to the law which states
otherwise, I will continue to believe that it is not legal to do so,
based on the laws that I know which cover my area.

Dave

When would you board someone else's boat??
 

On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 17:02:26 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

What??? No - I'm guilty the moment the razor blades go into my pocket.


Ok then. The next question I have is, do you refrain from stealing
those $50 worth of razor blades because you know it's morally wrong,
or because you feel that you have a good chance of getting caught?

Dave

Choice A, Dave. If I shop in a store, it's because I like the place. The
owner or company has created a place that serves me well. They deserve to
prosper.

Well, that is an answer. Just not the answer to the question which I
asked. I didn't ask where you shop and why. I asked you whether you
refrain from stealing because you believe, through an inner sense of
morality, that it's the "right" thing to do, or whether you do so
because you don't want to take the chance of getting caught and being
forced to atone for your crime?


Wait! Let me head off your next question. No, I do not steal from places I
do NOT like.

Somehow I don't think you will give me a straight answer to my first
question. You are deliberately vague and non committal. Not unlike a
certain democratic presidential wannabee.

Dave

When would you board someone else's boat??
 

Dave Hall wrote:
On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 17:02:26 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:


What??? No - I'm guilty the moment the razor blades go into my pocket.


Ok then. The next question I have is, do you refrain from stealing
those $50 worth of razor blades because you know it's morally wrong,
or because you feel that you have a good chance of getting caught?

Dave

Choice A, Dave. If I shop in a store, it's because I like the place. The
owner or company has created a place that serves me well. They deserve to
prosper.


Well, that is an answer. Just not the answer to the question which I
asked. I didn't ask where you shop and why. I asked you whether you
refrain from stealing because you believe, through an inner sense of
morality, that it's the "right" thing to do, or whether you do so
because you don't want to take the chance of getting caught and being
forced to atone for your crime?



Wait! Let me head off your next question. No, I do not steal from places I
do NOT like.


Somehow I don't think you will give me a straight answer to my first
question. You are deliberately vague and non committal. Not unlike a
certain democratic presidential wannabee.

Dave


Get off your high horse, Dave. Your secret is out...DON has exposed you
as ... a socialist!

When would you board someone else's boat??
 

On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 19:58:40 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

Frankly, I'm not sure, but that wasn't the point.


Then what is?

Dave

When would you board someone else's boat??
 

On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 17:24:25 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

That's a FAR better solution than Doug's "vanishing" act.



Mine's just another version of the same thing.

No it's not. An animal control person is acting within the boundaries
of the law. You are not. And they merely remove the animal. You kill
it.


But hang on....something's
wrong here....the animal shelter stole someone's cat. That's OK with you?

It's not considered theft. Why do you have so much trouble
differentiating these differences?

......

What if your dog is hit by a car because you let if off your property
unsupervised. Would it bother you if the driver stopped for a moment, looked
in his mirror to see what he'd hit, saw that it was not a human and just
kept going?

What does this have to do with the original topic? Why do you feel
the need to go off on slightly related, but not relevant, tangents to
deflect from that which makes you uncomfortable?

Dave

When would you board someone else's boat??
 

On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 17:25:34 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:


I guess this is the difference between you and I Doug. I suspect that
we both would get really ****ed off, and would desire to retaliate in
some way, which would ensure that it never happened again. The
difference is that you would probably carry it through, while I would
likely restrain myself by a very strong sense of morality. I'd
probably make sure I parked the car in the garage (You do have one of
those right?) from then on. If the cat happened to end up dead in the
road the next week, I'd chalk it up to "God's Revenge".

Dave

God's revenge, eh? Interesting name for a Sopranos-style solution, Dave.
See? You DO have a dark side.

I don't think you understand. I would not be the one who was
responsible for the cat ending up dead. The fact is that the cat got
hit by a car and, by extension, solves my little problem.

To paraphrase the bible, "vengeance is mine, says the lord". I've
often had bad things done to me in the past, by less than civilized
people, only to find out later that some even worse thing happened to
them. Coincidence? Maybe. But in any case, they got what they
deserved. What goes around, comes around. God's Revenge.

Dave

When would you board someone else's boat??
 

On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 01:10:41 -0400, "Don"
wrote:


"Dave Hall" wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 13:39:16 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:
What would you REALLY do?

I guess this is the difference between you and I Doug. I suspect that
we both would get really ****ed off, and would desire to retaliate in
some way, which would ensure that it never happened again. The
difference is that you would probably carry it through, while I would
likely restrain myself by a very strong sense of ignorance and cowardice.

Duh. It's more than obvious.



Hey Don, some pimply red headed kid called. He wants his game boy
back.....

Dave