When would you board someone else's boat??
 

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
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On Fri, 23 Apr 2004 18:21:47 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:



Who said anything about SENDING the dog over. Pardon the pun, but ****
happens. It's not the dog's fault that you live in its toilet.


If your answer is "yes", then you must also
believe I have the right to roll my trash barrel down to HIS property
and
dump it on his porch.

You are supposed to know better. A dog does not.

You're a piece of work, boy. The neighbor knows that he is doing wrong by
letting the dog roam.

Does he?

Let's make this simple, Dave. There are only two kinds of property: Yours,
and someone else's. If the dog ****s or destroys things on your property,
that's fine. If the dog leaves your property and ****s/destroys, it's doing
so on someone else's property. Now, please explain how any dog owner can see
his dog leave his property and say "I didn't know it was going to mess up
someone else's property".



Here, when you go to get a license for your vermine,
you're given a brochure which explains the law regarding leashes.
Therefore,
if you let the dog roam the neighborhood, you are doing so with the clear
intent of ****ing off your neighbors.

So you are of the opinion that every dog owner who's dog digs under
the fence or breaks off of his tether is plotting to "screw with the
neighbors"? Even those who simply "let them out", do not do so with
the intent of making your life miserable. That's an unfortunate
consequence.

See above. If the dog's not on your property, you KNOW it's on someone
else's. Since there are no other outcomes, it's safe to say that the owner
is either fully aware of what his dog is doing, or the owner is monumentally
stupid and probably will never understand what it means to be responsible
pet owner.

When would you board someone else's boat??
 

Dave Hall wrote:
... I guess in his mind, he should not have to be
"burdened" with the chore of constructing a fence to keep the unwanted
out of his garden. He feels that it's everyone else's responsibility
to keep them out for him.

Still refusing to take responsibility for your actions, eh Dave? Well a
leapord never changes his spots.

It *is* the responsibility of every pet owner to keep his pet out of
other peoples' yards.

Same as it *is* the responsibility of every boater to operate his vessel
safely, and it *is* the responsibility of every boater to not create a
large wake in places where it isn't wanted. Funny how you cannot grasp
the simple principles of responsibility & accountability.

DSK

When would you board someone else's boat??
 

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
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The question I have is a simple one. Do you respect the system of laws
which govern our society, or do you believe that you are justified in
taking matters into your own hands?

Dave

Which part of "the law" do you not understand? Here, the law states that in
certain instances, an animal may be killed by a landowner. Period. If the
conditions are met, it can be done.

I've told you in the past to visit your town all and ask to look at YOUR
local laws. You may find them to be the same.

When would you board someone else's boat??
 

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
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On Mon, 26 Apr 2004 14:56:11 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"DSK" wrote in message
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Doug Kanter wrote:
Yeah...I got your behavioral psychology right here, Mr King. :-) Dr
Smith &
Dr Wesson. The best dog training tool money can buy.

But it only works on six dogs at a time. And bullets don't go around
corners ;)

I apologize if my posts have seemed to be more sympathetic to your
annoying neighbors than to your situation. That hasn't been my
intention. While I am definitely a "dog person" I don't like people who
let (or encourage) their dogs to cause problems.

DSK


I know. The average of all your posts in the past have kept you on my
Good
List, meaning I'd let you borrow my lawnmower. Not my boat, though. :-)


Hopefully he won't run over any "doggie donuts" when he borrows that
lawn mower...........

Dave

You keep returning to the word "donuts", Dave. Do you enjoy handling them?

When would you board someone else's boat??
 

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
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On Fri, 23 Apr 2004 18:42:42 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 23 Apr 2004 15:14:23 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

How about this: I'm creating a new art form. It's sort of like
etchings.
I
use a key on the side of your car. It won't be just a scratch, mind
you.
It'll be an actual picture. This is identical to your allowing your
dog
to
crap on my lawn. Is my new art form OK with you?



Another strawman?

You also seem to be unable to grasp the difference between deliberate
and malicious intent, and incidental, consequential actions.

The dog craps because that's a natural act. In some places, it's
illegal to allow a dog to roam loose. In other places it's perfectly
acceptable (and legal). I suggest you move to one of those uptight
areas where people share your outrage at such trivial incidents.

Dave

Coprophilia: marked interest in excrement, especially the use of feces or
filth for sexual excitement.

Interesting? But I fail to see the relevance. Are you fixated with
doggie doo?


This hobby is fine for some, but dog owners should ask before sharing
their
fixation with others.

I would challenge that you seem to be the one projecting the fixation
with dog poop. You are the one making the big deal about it. Most
other people just let nature take its course.

Dave

Let nature take its course? That's what I've been saying all along. But,
here's the difference: I acknowledge that nature sometimes works in ways
that are sad. I don't think it's funny when I see a lion kill a gazelle on
TV, but as you say, "**** happens". Usually, the gazelle which ends up as lu
nch made some sort of mistake, not unlike some dogs.

When would you board someone else's boat??
 

"DSK" wrote in message
. ..
Dave Hall wrote:
... I guess in his mind, he should not have to be
"burdened" with the chore of constructing a fence to keep the unwanted
out of his garden. He feels that it's everyone else's responsibility
to keep them out for him.

Still refusing to take responsibility for your actions, eh Dave? Well a
leapord never changes his spots.

It *is* the responsibility of every pet owner to keep his pet out of
other peoples' yards.

Same as it *is* the responsibility of every boater to operate his vessel
safely, and it *is* the responsibility of every boater to not create a
large wake in places where it isn't wanted. Funny how you cannot grasp
the simple principles of responsibility & accountability.

DSK


It's called "selective personal responsibility". You only need to be
responsible about your dog when it's sunny and you don't mind stepping
outside to hook it onto a leash in your yard. But, if the weather's lousy,
or there's a football game on TV, it's fine to let the dog out the front
door and wave as it heads toward your neighbor's place.

Hey....here's a question for little Dave: The law in most towns says that if
you have a pool, you must have a fence with a gate that locks. Do you think
that's nonsense, and that it should be up to the neighbors to keep their
kids from drowning in your pool?

When would you board someone else's boat??
 

In article , "Doug Kanter"
wrote:


Hey....here's a question for little Dave: The law in most towns says that if
you have a pool, you must have a fence with a gate that locks. Do you think
that's nonsense, and that it should be up to the neighbors to keep their
kids from drowning in your pool?

This coincides with "attractive nuisance" laws in many communities.
Usually these laws state anything on your property that can be considered
"attractive" to children or adults of diminished reasoning capacity
(Henry?), which presents a potential danger, must also have a resonable
safegards to deter unauthorized access.

My answer to this question falls in line with my previous statements. I
don't necessarily believe in these laws per se (I'm sure their are
individual cases where I will concede this point). I don't think I could
easily reconcile the fact that an innocent child found dead in my pool as
"his tough luck".

Just because I believe in personal responsibily does not mean I am devoid
of compassion. It's the difference between being right, and doing the
right thing.

Bob Dimond

When would you board someone else's boat??
 

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c3dhc2g=.2ce5b04d9f09d5c2c1f26fdcbff0979c@1083078 376.nulluser.com,
"Harry Krause" wrote:


You have all the makings of a real nuisance neighbor, Dave. Do you sit
on your porch in your undershirt, swilling cheap beer, letting your dogs
poop all over the neighborhood, and play your stereo so loud that folks
three blocks away have to listen to your music selections?


Umm... can we please have a civilized discussion without reverting to
portraying cheap beers, and the drinks who love them, in an unfavorable
light? Thank You.

Bob

When would you board someone else's boat??
 

Doug,
It is the law that the owner of a pool should put a fence around his pool.
But, if we followed your logic concerning trespassing, it would be the pool
owners right to shot any of the kids who came onto his property, The
parents of the kids did a poor job of teaching his children not to violate
the neighbor and it will teach the parents and other kids in the
neighborhood not to step on other peoples property.



"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
"DSK" wrote in message
. ..
Dave Hall wrote:
... I guess in his mind, he should not have to be
"burdened" with the chore of constructing a fence to keep the unwanted
out of his garden. He feels that it's everyone else's responsibility
to keep them out for him.

Still refusing to take responsibility for your actions, eh Dave? Well a
leapord never changes his spots.

It *is* the responsibility of every pet owner to keep his pet out of
other peoples' yards.

Same as it *is* the responsibility of every boater to operate his vessel
safely, and it *is* the responsibility of every boater to not create a
large wake in places where it isn't wanted. Funny how you cannot grasp
the simple principles of responsibility & accountability.

DSK


It's called "selective personal responsibility". You only need to be
responsible about your dog when it's sunny and you don't mind stepping
outside to hook it onto a leash in your yard. But, if the weather's lousy,
or there's a football game on TV, it's fine to let the dog out the front
door and wave as it heads toward your neighbor's place.

Hey....here's a question for little Dave: The law in most towns says that
if
you have a pool, you must have a fence with a gate that locks. Do you
think
that's nonsense, and that it should be up to the neighbors to keep their
kids from drowning in your pool?

When would you board someone else's boat??
 

Interesting logic. I see it thusly: Two objects are capable of causing harm
or damage: A dog, and a pool. If you choose to allow the dog to roam, then
you will probably not care if a kid falls into your pool.


"John Smith" wrote in message
news:nYvjc.50666$w96.4558920@attbi_s54...
Doug,
It is the law that the owner of a pool should put a fence around his pool.
But, if we followed your logic concerning trespassing, it would be the
pool
owners right to shot any of the kids who came onto his property, The
parents of the kids did a poor job of teaching his children not to violate
the neighbor and it will teach the parents and other kids in the
neighborhood not to step on other peoples property.



"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
"DSK" wrote in message
. ..
Dave Hall wrote:
... I guess in his mind, he should not have to be
"burdened" with the chore of constructing a fence to keep the
unwanted
out of his garden. He feels that it's everyone else's responsibility
to keep them out for him.

Still refusing to take responsibility for your actions, eh Dave? Well
a
leapord never changes his spots.

It *is* the responsibility of every pet owner to keep his pet out of
other peoples' yards.

Same as it *is* the responsibility of every boater to operate his
vessel
safely, and it *is* the responsibility of every boater to not create a
large wake in places where it isn't wanted. Funny how you cannot grasp
the simple principles of responsibility & accountability.

DSK


It's called "selective personal responsibility". You only need to be
responsible about your dog when it's sunny and you don't mind stepping
outside to hook it onto a leash in your yard. But, if the weather's
lousy,
or there's a football game on TV, it's fine to let the dog out the front
door and wave as it heads toward your neighbor's place.

Hey....here's a question for little Dave: The law in most towns says
that
if
you have a pool, you must have a fence with a gate that locks. Do you
think
that's nonsense, and that it should be up to the neighbors to keep their
kids from drowning in your pool?