When would you board someone else's boat??
 

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"Don" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"John Smith" wrote in message
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I have no idea if it is legal to shot a dog because he comes into
your
garden, but I know I could never kill a dog for that reason. If a
dog
was
running free and crapping in my garden I would call animal control
and
have
the dog picked up. If the neighbor was being unreasonable and was
not
honoring my request to keep his animal off of my property, I would
file
a
suit with small claims court.

I can't believe that two people in this small group, would advocate
killing
a defense animal due to their neighbors neglect.

Yours and Don's statements say more about who you are, than anything
I
or
anyone else could say.

Unlike Henry, you sound like a guy who has the mental capacity to mull
over
a hypothetical situation. In fact, this is based on reality. Here
goes:

1) The animal control person fails to do his job after 15 phonecalls.
The
excuses are absurd.

2) The neighbor promises to improve the situation, but does absolutely
nothing.

3) You go to court and are told that it's not a small claims issue.

4) It's the middle of May, and you've put 200 hours of work into the
vegetable garden so far. It's literally being destroyed by a dog which
digs
there.

Now what?

Two years ago when we lived in the more urban part of the city, while
walking my 2 leashed (leashes are required here) spaniels at 10 pm, we
were
viciously attacked by full grown Rottweilers and German Shepherds THREE
times. All three times I kicked the hell out of the attackers, while
pulling
my 2 leashed dogs behind me. During the last attack I killed the German
Shepherd with about 5 good kicks to the ribs and head. After the first
attack I called the Animal Control and was told there is nothing they
can
do
after 5 pm. I then called the police and they told me that there was
nothing
they could do and that I should get a gun and a permit and shoot the
attackers. I then asked if it was illegal to discharge a firearm in the
city
limits and they told me it was. I then asked what the penalty was for
shooting a dog within the city limits and they told me that I would be
charged with a felony and my gun would be confiscated. Welcome to the
new
Russia.



Step 1: Pepper spray

Both hands were occupied with leashes, full of angry dogs trying to protect
their owner.
The attacks happened at night, in a split second, no time to draw pepper
spray.
Depending on wind direction, pepper spray may not work.

Step 2: Break the dog's neck

Again, the only tools available to me, in a split second, was my feet.
And I used them like they were cheap throw away tools.
The attackers didn't know what hit them.
In the first two instances the attackers ran for their lives.
The third one was left laying in the road with its tongue hanging out, I
think I killed it.
We, me and my 2 dogs, took off and didn't look back. I never saw that dog
again.

Step 3: Drop dog into nearest trash can, being sure to remove its tags, if
any, and drop them into the nearest storm drain.

This was a suburban residential neighborhood, no trashcans sitting around.

Step 4: Go home and celebrate with a beer.

When I got home I was shaking like a leaf and still out of breath.
My adrenaline went from 0 to 200 in a nanosecond and stayed that way for 30
mins.
I'm gettin too old for this ****...... nah. heh-heh

When would you board someone else's boat??
 

LOL
I wanna party with this dood!

"John Smith" wrote in message
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Damn, I am lost. Didn't you say you killed a dog for crapping in your
lawn?


"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"John Smith" wrote in message
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Doug,

The Penal Code says you are allowed to use any force necessary to stop
the
dog's attack, but once the dog is no longer a threat, you may not use
any
more force on the animal. It appears that you and Don believe in a
high
power than the US Penal Code.

What dog?

When would you board someone else's boat??
 

I'm quite happy with the female roomate I've had for the past couple of
decades, thank you veddy much.


"John Smith" wrote in message
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OK, as long as no one see you it is alright to kill a dog. You do seem
like
a very reasonable person. You and Don should get together, maybe become
roommates.

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"John Smith" wrote in message
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I don't see a dead dog. Do you see a dead dog?

Damn, I am lost. Didn't you say you killed a dog for crapping in your
lawn?


"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"John Smith" wrote in message
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Doug,

The Penal Code says you are allowed to use any force necessary to
stop
the
dog's attack, but once the dog is no longer a threat, you may not
use
any
more force on the animal. It appears that you and Don believe in
a
high
power than the US Penal Code.

What dog?

When would you board someone else's boat??
 

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"Don" wrote in message
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Morality, yes. But, in some cases, the law reflects basic moral issues
which
continue to be important to people.

Associating written laws with morality does you a disservice.
There is no connection.

Some laws exist to guide the perpetually stupid. Otherwise, such people
could not figure out, for instance, that it's not good to make outrageous
noise at 3:00 AM when your neighbors are trying to sleep.

Laws don't change behavior, they only assign a penalty after the fact.
Its all about money for the state.

When would you board someone else's boat??
 

I came here looking for some research material for a new boat.
Boy was I mistaken.
This group should be renamed to : alt.dikhedz


"John Smith" wrote in message
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Don, I am so glad you have decided to participate in this NG, you will
bring
more joy to this forum than anyone can imagine.


"Don" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"Don" wrote in message
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Doug,
You don't have to go defensive over erroneous claims.
Henry has no more say over your property than you do over his.
Just smear his nose in his own **** and move on.



I'm simply helping him understand laws he is 100% unfamiliar with.
The
same
laws I've become 100% familiar with in order to enjoy the simple
pleasure
of
a vegetable garden in the midst of a few neighbors who don't care.

sigh
It's not your job to educate morons, though you may choose to do so
for
hobby.
The *law* has nothing to do with it.
We're talking about *morality* here.
If Blackmoore chooses to act immorally and infringe on your
*natural*
rights, you just plug him and turn him into fertilizer.
There are way too many Blackmoores running loose anyway.



Morality, yes. But, in some cases, the law reflects basic moral issues
which
continue to be important to people.

Associating written laws with morality does you a disservice.
There is no connection.

Henry has apparently created nothing
worth preserving, therefore he is having extreme difficulty grasping
this
issue. Fortunately, the courts do NOT share this handicap. Henry
should
invite his lawyer to dinner and request an education. Better yet, he
should
head to his town/city hall and spend an afternoon browsing through his
local
laws. It'll be a real eye opener.

When would you board someone else's boat??
 

"DSK" wrote in message
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"DSK" wrote
But then my attitude is shaped by always having had a dog, and
always having cared for & trained them properly, and been rewarded by
always having *good* dogs.

Don wrote:
There are no bad dogs, just bad owners.

I disagree. There are definitely some bad dogs. Almost all of them have
been programmed to be bad by stupid and/or lazy owners, and
unfortunately not all can be reprogrammed... although most can, with
enough patience & a working knowledge of behavioral psychology.

Partially right.
Bad behavior, demonstrated by dogs that were taught to be that way.
They can be untaught.
Have you ever seen a show on TV called Cell Dogs?
They do exactly that, take dogs with bad behavior and convert them into good
behavior.
There are no bad dogs.

When would you board someone else's boat??
 

"John Smith" wrote
Don, Have you always believe in Anarchy?

I have always been an individualist.
Why would anyone choose otherwise?

When would you board someone else's boat??
 

I design million dollar+ custom homes for wealthy island residents and live
in an area called *Simply Paradise* (run that past google for a clue) and am
always in a good mood and in good company.
I get a little frustrated at times when I go into usenet and encounter
legions of complete idiots like you.


"jim--" wrote in message
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Time for some you to take some anger management classes Don. Are you ever
happy?

"Don" wrote in message
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You're full of ****.
I am under no obligation file anything with anyone, and I will do
exactly
as
I please and you have no say about it.
Our closest neighbor is over a mile away.
This boy has lost his capacity to think.


"John Smith" wrote in message
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Don, I am not reacting emotional, it appears that you are, based upon
your
experience with a bad neighbor. I hate to tell you this, but if
someone
damages your property, you have neither the moral or the legal
justification
to damage your neighbors property. You have the right to file a
report
with
the police and to take them to court.


"Don" wrote in message
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Geezis, what the hell is going on around here?
I said that if you choose to use MY stuff to YOUR benefit than I
have
the
moral equivilent to do the same.
John, PLEASE think these things through before reacting emotionally.

"John Smith" wrote in message
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Don,
I am having a hard time following this conversation, but from what
I
can
tell you are saying that a dog taking a crap on your lawn is the
same
as
being a child molester. Did I miss something?


"Don" wrote in message
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"Henry Blackmoore" wrote
"Doug Kanter" wrote:
Actually, it's legally permitted, performed and tested in the
courts
on
a
fairly regular basis. In many places, including what you'd
consider
"normal
suburbs", animals which damage food crops may be killed as
long
as
the
method does not endanger neighbors or violate weapons laws.
You
really
ought
to think before you hurl, boy.

Uh-huh. And you think that somebody's garden comes under the
"food
crop"
definition and that you have the right to kill your neighbor's
pets
for
a
damaged tomato plant?

Can I come into your house and eat all your food, drink all your
beer,
fondle your 13 yo daughters nubbins, issue you a matched pair of
knuckle
sandwiches and take your DVD player on the way out the door?
If you choose to use MY personal property for YOUR use, YOU open
yourself
up
to that same behavior.
Doesn't anyone know how to *think* anymore?

When would you board someone else's boat??
 

"John Smith" wrote
Don,
Do you believe you have the right to do whatever you please?

Yes.
Don't you?

When would you board someone else's boat??
 

"Don White" wrote in message
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Don wrote in message
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"Henry Blackmoore" wrote

Wait a minute, awhile back you said:
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I also live in Sugar Land. And no, one cannot take firearms out into
the
backyard and practice with live rounds. Not even a BB gun for that
matter.
You have watched too many westerns on your boob tube.
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And now you're saying that people CAN shoot guns in their backyards:
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LoL, actually I have a police officer neighbor a few door away that
shoots
snakes in his yard. He is deathly afraid of snakes and his house
backs
up to a bayou.
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So the question is, were you lying then, or are you lying now?
Please consult your boob tube if necessary.

Oh oh Henry! You've 'been told' again.

I bet he won't answer, now that he's been publicly spanked.