When would you board someone else's boat??
 

On Fri, 30 Apr 2004 15:44:29 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
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I don't have a problem with you calling animal control to complain
about a neighbor's pet and, if they feel that your complaint is
reasonable, they respond and remove the animal. I do have a problem
with you going above the law and doing it yourself. That's the long
and short of it.

I'm just getting the dog to the same point it will reach, but a week or a
month sooner.

You don't know that, and it's not your choice to make.




You might be justified in killing a neighbor's dog if that dog attacks
you. But not if it simply craps on you lawn. It is that fundamental
difference which you can't seem to resolve.

In either case, it's the result of a dog owner who doesn't give a damn about
his neighbors. The payback should be equal.

Then go take a dump on your neighbor's yard. THEN the payback would be
equal.

Dave

When would you board someone else's boat??
 

On Fri, 30 Apr 2004 16:13:30 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
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You can also use their t-shirts as handles to escort the kids back to
their
parents and discuss the issue with them.

I would file that under #1 above. Have you had to deal with some
parents lately? I don't know about in your area, but when I was
growing up and another adult lodged a complaint about me, it was taken
as gospel truth and I was immediately and severely punished. Today, if
you go to a parent to complain about their kid, they cop a "My kid's a
angel, you must be mistaken" attitude.

My next door neighbor, in my old neighborhood, had two kids who made a
habit of migrating to my yard to play their various sports, since my
yard was clear and significantly larger. I had to shoe them away on
almost a daily basis. One day, when I came home and found them playing
yet again, I drove up on the yard with my truck and chased them, in
the hope that they'd now think I was crazy and fear to return. I also
yelled after them and I used some words which I probably shouldn't
have. But I was ****ed. That was many years ago, before I learned how
to effectively manage anger.

The next thing I know, the kids' dad comes over to give me a tongue
lashing. And, get this, he wasn't so upset that I had chased them away
with my truck. He was upset with the words that I used. When I told
him that I didn't want them on my yard, he denied that they were
there. I was floored. I asked him how was it then that I was in the
position to chase them down with my truck and shout after them if they
weren't there? Needless to say, this conversation didn't accomplish
much. In fact I would frequently catch not only the kids, but the
father joining in for games on my yard. The problem was finally solved
when I called the police and had them give him a talking to.

Maybe I should've shot them all huh? Oh, wait, that's only an option
if they are dogs right?

Dave

Why didn't you want those kids in your yard?

Ah, here it comes.........

Well, why not, you're entertaining if nothing else....

I didn't want them for a multitude of reasons.

In today's liberal mindset of responsibility deflection, I can get
sued if one of these little miscreants plays on my yard and then hurts
himself.

Then there is the wear and tear on my yard. Not that I'm a yard geek,
but I don't want spots of bare ground corresponding to the bases in a
baseball diamond showing through.

Then there is the chance that an errant fly ball will hit some piece
of my "stuff" and cause damage.

Then there was the fact that I just didn't like those smart ass sneaky
kids. Kids who had a bit more respect might have gotten a little more
leniency.

Dave

When would you board someone else's boat??
 

On Fri, 30 Apr 2004 16:14:31 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:


"Dave Hall" wrote in message
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On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 22:58:48 -0400, "Don"
wrote:


If someone (or many someones) makes a habit of cutting across your
lawn

shred

We're not talking about someone cutting across your yard, Dave.

How else would he get there?

Pay attention.
Answer the question directly.
Quit stalling and fidgeting, if you're capable.

You have the legal means at your disposal to address trespassing
issues. If these avenues do not solve the problem, you can only do so
much to prevent continued transgressions. Putting up a fence would
solve the problem.

Dave


In many towns, including mine, zoning laws prohibit the installation of
fences within a certain distance of the front property line. That often
leaves 1/3 to 1/2 of the front vulnerable. Then what?

A thick hedge.

Dave

When would you board someone else's boat??
 

On Fri, 30 Apr 2004 21:32:28 -0400, "Don"
wrote:


"Dave Hall" wrote in message
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On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 22:58:48 -0400, "Don"
wrote:


If someone (or many someones) makes a habit of cutting across your
lawn

shred

We're not talking about someone cutting across your yard, Dave.

How else would he get there?

Pay attention.
Answer the question directly.
Quit stalling and fidgeting, if you're capable.

You have the legal means at your disposal to address trespassing
issues. If these avenues do not solve the problem, you can only do so
much to prevent continued transgressions. Putting up a fence would
solve the problem.

A punch in the face would solve the problem too, and not be so expensive.

Oh, I don't know. By the time you got through with the assault charges
and then the civil lawsuit which would likely result, it might end up
being MORE expensive.

You need to learn that you do not have the right to assault people, no
matter how wronged you think you were.

Dave

When would you board someone else's boat??
 

On Fri, 30 Apr 2004 15:27:39 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

Dave rarely answers questions.

Oh, I'm a Dave handler from WAY back. If I wasn't an extremely fast typist,
I wouldn't have time to toy with him.



You should thank me for teaching you the principles of logic, and how
the world outside of "Dougville" actually lives.

Dave

When would you board someone else's boat??
 

On Fri, 30 Apr 2004 18:04:51 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
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Who's responsibility is it to clean up the droppings from the Canadian
Geese, Deer, Squirrels, Chipmunks, Foxes, Wild Turkey, Rabbits,
Occasional bears, Raccoons, Possums, Various species of birds, etc? Do
kids only pick up dog poop? When you come up with a good answer for
that, then maybe I'll entertain your fantasy.

Stupid question. NOBODY can control thousands of wild animals. But dog
owners can control their dogs and clean up after them.

Not a stupid question, but a stupid rule. What difference would it
make in the grand scheme of things if the only turds removed, in a
collection of many, were the dog's? Would the rest of them magically
disappears? Does the fact that some of us like to pretend that they
aren't really there, change the fact that they really are?

Have you ever seen the mess that can be left after a flock of Geese
roam an area for a while? Maybe you should feel lucky that an
occasional dog dropping is your only concern.

Dave

When would you board someone else's boat??
 

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
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Maybe I should've shot them all huh? Oh, wait, that's only an option
if they are dogs right?

Dave

Why didn't you want those kids in your yard?

Ah, here it comes.........

Well, why not, you're entertaining if nothing else....

I didn't want them for a multitude of reasons.


Then there is the wear and tear on my yard. Not that I'm a yard geek,
but I don't want spots of bare ground corresponding to the bases in a
baseball diamond showing through.

You should lighten up, Dave. Lots of people put up with a little bit of wear
on their lawns. It's even less of a problem than dog ****, or a damaged row
of 1" high lettuce seedlings that you won't have a chance to plant again
until next spring.

When would you board someone else's boat??
 

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
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On Fri, 30 Apr 2004 16:14:31 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:


"Dave Hall" wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 22:58:48 -0400, "Don"
wrote:


If someone (or many someones) makes a habit of cutting across your
lawn

shred

We're not talking about someone cutting across your yard, Dave.

How else would he get there?

Pay attention.
Answer the question directly.
Quit stalling and fidgeting, if you're capable.

You have the legal means at your disposal to address trespassing
issues. If these avenues do not solve the problem, you can only do so
much to prevent continued transgressions. Putting up a fence would
solve the problem.

Dave


In many towns, including mine, zoning laws prohibit the installation of
fences within a certain distance of the front property line. That often
leaves 1/3 to 1/2 of the front vulnerable. Then what?

A thick hedge.

Dave



And what if a hedge doesn't fit my landscaping scheme?

When would you board someone else's boat??
 

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
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On Fri, 30 Apr 2004 18:04:51 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:



Who's responsibility is it to clean up the droppings from the Canadian
Geese, Deer, Squirrels, Chipmunks, Foxes, Wild Turkey, Rabbits,
Occasional bears, Raccoons, Possums, Various species of birds, etc? Do
kids only pick up dog poop? When you come up with a good answer for
that, then maybe I'll entertain your fantasy.

Stupid question. NOBODY can control thousands of wild animals. But dog
owners can control their dogs and clean up after them.

Not a stupid question, but a stupid rule. What difference would it
make in the grand scheme of things if the only turds removed, in a
collection of many, were the dog's? Would the rest of them magically
disappears? Does the fact that some of us like to pretend that they
aren't really there, change the fact that they really are?

Have you ever seen the mess that can be left after a flock of Geese
roam an area for a while? Maybe you should feel lucky that an
occasional dog dropping is your only concern.

Dave


I never had multitudes of wild animals crapping on my property. Just
squirrels, whose turds seem to be invisible, one cat, who buried them
someplace where they never caused a problem, and quite a few dogs. If I
lived in the Adirondacks and deer were a problem, I would've accepted the
fact of life that you have to coexist with deer and whatever else comes
along.

When would you board someone else's boat??
 

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
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On Fri, 30 Apr 2004 15:39:22 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
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On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 14:00:50 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:


"Dave Hall" wrote in message
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On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 19:58:40 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

Frankly, I'm not sure, but that wasn't the point.


Then what is?

Dave

A previous message mentioned a vanishing cat. That seemed OK with you.
So,
what difference does it make HOW a pet vanishes, whether it's whisked
away
by animal control to place where it will likely be euthanized
eventually,
or
if it's flattened by a car? Gone is gone.


The difference is intent, and whether or not the action was sanctioned
by the law.


Dave

That would not change how the family felt about losing the pet. Gone is
gone.



Ok, you like using hypothetical examples, so here's one. Would you
feel differently knowing that a loved one was killed in a car
accident, or by some gang banger looking to score some dope?

Dave


Identical. Gone is gone.