Tink, you didn't read this one did you: "Analysis of deaths while
waiting for cardiac surgery among 29,293 consecutive patients in
Ontario, Canada"

If you read it, you'll find out what it really says. Tink, I feel like
a teacher, determining that you cheated on your homework. None of this
stuff is worth, if you'll pardon the expression, "a Tinker's damn."

frtzw906

"Nisarel" wrote in message
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"BCITORGB" wrote:

Why are North
American natives significantly over-represented in Canada's prison
population?

It's hard for them to afford a decent lawyer.

Actually it's because they can't afford to emigrate to the better
quality American and Continental prisons.

Wolfgang
who realizes that this does little to help explain why there are so
many nahuatl in mexican prisons......basques in spanish
prisons.....walloons in french prisons......etc.

Wolfgang, are there really many walloons in french prisons? Is it
because their particular dialect is so hard on delicate french ears?

frtzw906

"BCITORGB" wrote in message
oups.com...
Wolfgang, are there really many walloons in french prisons?

I really have no idea. I just assumed there would be more there than
in Canadian prisons.

Is itbecause their particular dialect is so hard on delicate french
ears?

I'd guess it's for much the same reason that there so many Zulus in
South African prisons.

Wolfgang

I'd guess it's for much the same reason that there so many Zulus in
South African prisons.

So it's settled then: it's the dialect.

Cheers,
frtzw906

On 28-Feb-2005, "rick" wrote:

That YOU believe they are ubsubstantiated means
nothing.

I believe they are unsubstantiated because they are!
Post a link to a reference that substantiates these
claims.

If the sites I provided are wrong, it
should be easy then for you to find refutation of the data.
Hasn't been done yet.

_You_ provided that, idiot! I requote:

"Claims about patients dying because of waiting too long cannot
be confirmed or denied from current research and information."

Try again, dickhead. Post something of substance instead of
a lot of crap.

Mike

Tink, you cite the Fraser Institute: "Adding to Canada's medical
problems is the exodus of doctors. According to a March 2003 story in
Canada News, about 10,000 doctors left Canada in the 1990s. Compounding
that exodus is the drop in medical school graduates."

I'll not repeat what I've already said about the Fraser Institute. But
let's deal with the "exodus" of doctors. That's a dramatic turn of
phrase. Shall we say that, notwithstanding the protestations of Scott
and rick, since this is a free country, physicians come and go. Some do
leave. So what? What is more important is the overall change in the
population of doctors. There are dozens of doctors in my neighborhood:
mostly Canadian trained but also many from South Africa and Ireland.
So, unless the Fraser Institute is willing to tell us the rate of
change in the entire population of doctors, "exodus" is just so much
editorializing.

I'd also like to see the magnitude of the apparent "drop in medical
school graduates." There ARE WAITING LISTS to get into Canada's
medical schools, so the drop in graduates can't be due to lack of
applicants. To the best of my knowledge, no Canadian university has
dropped its medical school (although a few newer universities have
gotten into medical education), so I can't see the apparent reduced
number of graduates being a function of fewer schools. Could it be that
some universities have reduced the number of seats available? Could be,
I don't know. But that's hardly going to be significant. So, perhaps,
this apparent "drop in medical school graduates." amounts to 5, 6,
maybe 10 graduates. Unless the Fraser Institute tells us, we'll never
know.

Tink, whatever happened to reading with a critical eye?

frtzw906

"KMAN" wrote in message
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"rick" wrote in message
k.net...

"KMAN" wrote in message
...
in article
, rick at
wrote on 2/28/05 7:11 PM:


"Michael Daly" wrote in message
...
On 26-Feb-2005, "rick" wrote:

Try again - there was nothing in that link that said
Canadians are dying in waiting lines.

Put up or shut up, dickhead.
=================
Yes, there was. I see you don't lie any better than the
other
buffoons...

Two sites provided unsubstantiated claims that people are
dying
in waiting lines. Try providing one that substantiates
that
claim.

The third one states:
"Claims about patients dying because of waiting too long
cannot
be
confirmed or denied from current research and information."

You still haven't posted a link to prove your ridiculous
claim.
=============================
Again, that you don't like the messenger doen't mean the
facts
are false. That YOU believe they are ubsubstantiated means
nothing. Like kman, if you weren't so afraid of the data
you
could look for yourself. It's out there. I let kman look
for
himself, and you now, because the first site was too
'right-wing'
the next was too 'union'. If the sites I provided are
wrong, it
should be easy then for you to find refutation of the data.
Hasn't been done yet.

The union article did not reference any evidence. It was just
as dishonest
as you are.
================
Provide sites that refute their contentions, liar.

There are no sites available to refute something that is based
only in imagination. There's no facts or evidence to challenge.
=================
The facts are there, fool. Too bad for you, eh?

"Michael Daly" wrote in message
...
On 28-Feb-2005, "rick" wrote:

That YOU believe they are ubsubstantiated means
nothing.

I believe they are unsubstantiated because they are!
Post a link to a reference that substantiates these
claims.
=====================
They are substantiated by the sites I provided fool. try reading
and researching for yourself, or are you too afarid, like kamn
is?



If the sites I provided are wrong, it
should be easy then for you to find refutation of the data.
Hasn't been done yet.

_You_ provided that, idiot! I requote:

"Claims about patients dying because of waiting too long
cannot
be confirmed or denied from current research and
information."

Try again, dickhead. Post something of substance instead of
a lot of crap.
=====================
Nope, that doesn't deny they exist. Other site claim otherwise,
like canadian medical journals. Do try to keep up, fool.



Mike

"KMAN" wrote in message
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"rick" wrote in message
k.net...

"KMAN" wrote in message
...
in article
, rick at
wrote on 2/28/05 6:49 PM:

snip

Is there a coroner's report that says Mr X. died because he
was
waiting?
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Read the sites fool. As you know, patient info is not
released.

There are stories about health care issues in the media all
the time.
Something as serious as someone dying while waiting for care
would
definitely make the front page.
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It has before fool.

Never. Prove it.
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Yes, fool. Try some researchof you own. You made the claim.