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"rick" wrote in message .net... "KMAN" wrote in message . .. snip... If you are using cars as a justification for assault weapons, then you are comparing the two, fool. LOL. ========================== No fool. It is you that is trying to justify something based on what YOU determine to be a need. You failed. You brought up cars, not me. ====================== No, you brought up the "need" of an object being the determination whether or not people should have them. You lost, again, and now have you resort to your ignorant spews... You brought up cars. Check. =============== LOL STill as dense and stupid as ever I see, eh liar? Nope. You brought up cars. Check. ====================== No So you didn't bring up cars? Another lie! |
On 26-Feb-2005, "rick" wrote:
Try again - there was nothing in that link that said Canadians are dying in waiting lines. Put up or shut up, dickhead. ================= Yes, there was. I see you don't lie any better than the other buffoons... Two sites provided unsubstantiated claims that people are dying in waiting lines. Try providing one that substantiates that claim. The third one states: "Claims about patients dying because of waiting too long cannot be confirmed or denied from current research and information." You still haven't posted a link to prove your ridiculous claim. Mike |
"KMAN" wrote in message . .. "rick" wrote in message k.net... "KMAN" wrote in message . .. "Tinkerntom snip... He has not provided any evidence that Canadians are dying waiting in line (or waiting on a list) for health care. ============== Yes, I have. Post it. ==================== Already been done, fool. Now, more than once... However, on 2/20 at 9:32 Rick presented 4 links as evidence to support his claim that Canadians were dying while on wait list, and receiving late, slow, and inadequate medical procedures. That if a Canadian had the funding, that he could go to the USA and receive prompt medical attention, and that in Canada, such outsoursing was considered illegal, and subject to a substantial penalty. Rick was not comparing the advantages or disadvantages of the two systems, nor even saying that the American system was good at all. He was only commenting on the Canadian system that resulted in long wait times for certain procedures In certain rare circumstances, particularly in geographically isolated areas, or for unique specialty tests, yes. ====================== And treatment. Even YOU have said Canadians wait for treatment. Of course. People wait for treatment in every health care system. That's why all hospitals have waiting rooms. ==================== LOL We aren't talking about people waiting in waiting rooms, we're talking about weeks, months, and years of wait for treatment. BUT, if you want to discuss waiting room problems in Canada, there are those problems too. and tests that at times resulted in people dying before they could receive the medical attention that could have served to save their lives. There is no evidence of that. ============== Yes, there is. Post it. ==================== Already been done, fool. Now, more than once... He was not saying that once the people actually received the medical attention, that the medical practices themselves were inadequate or non-professional. The 4 links are as follow: http://www.nupge.ca/news_2000/News%20May/n12my00a.htm http://www.cato.org/dailys/07-24-04.html http://www.utoronto.ca/hpme/dhr/pdf/Barer-Lewis.pdf http://www.angelfire.com/pa/sergeman...oysplight.html Yes, I saw all of them. None of them say that Canadians are dying waiting for health care. ======================= ROTFLMAO You really are that stupid, aren't you? The very first first one says otherwise right in the headline of the article. Are you really so set on being the worlds worst liar that you continue even when the evidence is in front of you? That's a shoddy article by a union looking for more money. ================== LOL See? that's why I told you to look for yourself, fool. First, the problem is a right-wing US wanna-be site, now it's a union being too socialist! You really don't want to see the truth, do you fool? Is there a coroner's report that says Mr X. died because he was waiting? ===================== Read the sites fool. As you know, patient info is not released. Plus, the Canadian health care system has been voted the most secretive, non-responsive group by Canadian journalists. How can one crappy article by a union looking for money be considered evidence? ================ Why are you relying then on what I posted. Go get the info yourself. Try any nimber of other sources, universities, union, Canadian medical journal... The main objection to one of the links at the time was regarding the Frasier Institute, and its supposed backers, as being anti-Canadian medical system. Whether this is true or not, I can not determine. The Frasier Institute are a bunch of whackos, ====================== Says the head whacko? No, that would be Michael Walker. ================= No, that's you,fool. You keep proving it with all your lies and denial. and not a reliable source of objective information, but even they aren't saying Canadians are dying waiting for health care. ================ LOL Selective reading there too? Post the proof using your own superior reading skills. ==================== Already been done, fool. Now, more than once... Rick also offered that there were many other links to support his claim, data that came from Canadian universites, labor unions, think tanks, that would not supposedly be anti-Canadian. He did not list any other specific link that I found. No, he didn't. =============== Because fool, you have already shown that if I list a link, you have some reason not to believe it. I offered you the face-saving way out by finding your own information. You proved instead that you wished to remain willfully ignorant. Nothing in your link proves that Canadians are dying because they are waiting in health care lines. ================ Yep, there was. But don't rely on my posts fool. Look up the facts for yourself. But then, you've already proven you are too afraid to do that. Regarding your question, unless there is a distinction between waiting list, and waiting lines, and irregardless of the credibility of the links provided as evidence, I believe that rick did provide evidence to support his claim. So my vote is yes, and I believe you KMAN owe rick a public apology. Please provide me with the precise quote from one of his links where it states that Canadians have in fact died waiting in line for treatment. ================ Read them fool. Then write them and ask. Afterall, they are YOUR countrymen. I'm sure they'll give you the info. But, as I have stated before, you are too afraid to find out the truth. What kind of an ass would refuse to simply post the evidence if it existed? ================== ROTFLMAO I'm giving you the chance to find it for yourself, fool. That way you can't claim that my sites are too right-wing. Oh, wait, too left-wing. Oh, wait, too middle of the road. Oh, wait, too truthful for your delusions. You are a liar and a coward. ================== Keep telling yourself that fool. maybe someday you'll even believe it. All you've managed to do is prove that yopu are afraid of the facts. Otherwise, you'd have refuted the sites I have posted. Youi haven't, and you can't. Now I hope this can bring and end to the acrimony, and I would note that though I believe rick provided the evidence, that I understand better after reading maybe a hundred post by him that his style can be abrasive. My only suggestion is that in the future if you want to avoid the abrasion, don't engage him in debate. TnT TnT I would suggest that you be more careful in evaluating the question at hand. If you saw evidence provided by Rick (or anywhere else) that Canadians have died waiting in line for treatment, please post it. ================== It just was, fool, again. That you wish to ignore it is your problem! It's not there. ================== Yep, head-in-the-sand. What a loony. |
"KMAN" wrote in message . .. "rick" wrote in message .net... "KMAN" wrote in message . .. snip... If you are using cars as a justification for assault weapons, then you are comparing the two, fool. LOL. ========================== No fool. It is you that is trying to justify something based on what YOU determine to be a need. You failed. You brought up cars, not me. ====================== No, you brought up the "need" of an object being the determination whether or not people should have them. You lost, again, and now have you resort to your ignorant spews... You brought up cars. Check. =============== LOL STill as dense and stupid as ever I see, eh liar? Nope. You brought up cars. Check. ====================== No So you didn't bring up cars? ======================== Nice bit of dishonesty there fool. Think nobody would notice? here, let me restore your dishonest deletion: "No, you brought up the "need" of an object being the determination whether or not people should have them. You lost, again, and now have you resort to your ignorant spews... checkmate, proven liar..." I see you still have nothing to say, eh liar? Another lie! ================== By you, yes. |
"KMAN" wrote in message . .. "rick" wrote in message .net... snippage... Why did you dishonestly delete the part about the lies you made about wait lines that I proved you made? Didn't like seeing your stupidity again? restore start Name one thing. Please quote the alleged lie, and provide proof that it is a lie. =========================== That Canadians don't wait for treatment in your health care system. You did not quote me. ====================== Yes, I did. see other posts for today... Here, want to see it again? "...No one is waiting for treatment..." You need to quote without the "... and ..." and you also need to provide a link to the message so it can be verified. What a scumbag you are! ================ There was no "and" fool. You made that statemnet. Too abd you're a proven liar, eh? YOU made the statement. Now you're claiming you can't find it? You really are a loser, aren't you, liar? restore end |
"rick" wrote in message ink.net... "KMAN" wrote in message snippage... Or are you going to be consistent and be a liar and a coward on this issue as well? ==================== Anything you open your mouth about, like Canadians never waiting for treatment. I never said that. Every health care system requires that people wait. ========================== Yes, you did liar. Do try to keep up with your own spews, dolt. What part of your claim: "...No one is waiting for treatment..." don't you undersatnd? You said it fool, 2/20/2005 Big lie there fool... Never said it. Prove that I did. ================ See above fool. You made the claim, liar. Why none of your pithy spews here, fool? Finally realixed how stupid you really are, and how much you lie? snippage... |
"Michael Daly" wrote in message ... On 26-Feb-2005, "rick" wrote: Try again - there was nothing in that link that said Canadians are dying in waiting lines. Put up or shut up, dickhead. ================= Yes, there was. I see you don't lie any better than the other buffoons... Two sites provided unsubstantiated claims that people are dying in waiting lines. Try providing one that substantiates that claim. The third one states: "Claims about patients dying because of waiting too long cannot be confirmed or denied from current research and information." You still haven't posted a link to prove your ridiculous claim. ============================= Again, that you don't like the messenger doen't mean the facts are false. That YOU believe they are ubsubstantiated means nothing. Like kman, if you weren't so afraid of the data you could look for yourself. It's out there. I let kman look for himself, and you now, because the first site was too 'right-wing' the next was too 'union'. If the sites I provided are wrong, it should be easy then for you to find refutation of the data. Hasn't been done yet. Mike |
A Usenet persona calling itself Wolfgang wrote:
"Scott Weiser" wrote in message ... ...it is functionally impossible, anywhere in the world, to have a community without guns... Hm..... Gonna have to stop doing volunteer work at the orphanage, the convent, and the Buddhist temple. Wolfgang ducking and covering. :( You need to have a more expansive view of what a "community" is. Fact is that none of the places you mention can be absolutely free of guns, because someone can always bring one in from the outside...perhaps to kill the occupants...like the communists in Nepal have done to the Buddhist temples. Guns exist and are a part of our world and our world society. This means that people need to learn to deal with guns and with those who misuse guns. The fact is that in many cases, the only way to deal with someone misusing a gun is to defend yourself with another gun. -- Regards, Scott Weiser "I love the Internet, I no longer have to depend on friends, family and co-workers, I can annoy people WORLDWIDE!" TM © 2005 Scott Weiser |
A Usenet persona calling itself Tinkerntom wrote:
Wolfgang wrote: "Scott Weiser" wrote in message ... ...it is functionally impossible, anywhere in the world, to have a community without guns... Hm..... Gonna have to stop doing volunteer work at the orphanage, the convent, and the Buddhist temple. Wolfgang ducking and covering. :( I am surprised that Scott has let you slide this long on this one. I had an all-day meeting on the New Zealand mudsnail, an invasive exotic found recently in Boulder Creek in the reach that includes my property. More to come on that. Maybe cause you let me slide on something ealier. Naw, no chance! I commend you for you charity work, however the above do not represent a community. Only a small fraction of a community, as there are households without guns in possession, all are under hopefully the protective umbrella of those police officer and military who do carry firearms. And, under the umbrella of protection provided by the fact that one's neighbors might have guns. That's one of the best things about concealed carry laws...criminals become very afraid because they donąt know if the next grandma they try to rob might be packing. Thus, even those who don't own guns benefit directly from gun ownership in their communities. This can be proven by asking your local anti-gun nut if they are willing to post a large sign on their front lawn proudly proclaiming "This house is GUN FREE!" I haven't found one yet that'll put their money where their mouth is. Obviously the Tibetan Buddist in their isolation from the rest of the real world, found that all military possession of firearms is not benevolent, and certainly not something that can be separated from in isolation. Same with orphanages and convents, they may not have a firearm in their possession, but there is more than likely one in th vicinity. Yup. I hate being a pragmatist sometimes, but I found that utopian ideology left me feeling very vulnerable. Sorry about bursting your bubble. TnT -- Regards, Scott Weiser "I love the Internet, I no longer have to depend on friends, family and co-workers, I can annoy people WORLDWIDE!" TM © 2005 Scott Weiser |
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