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rick February 28th 05 02:57 PM


"KMAN" wrote in message
...
in article
et, rick at
wrote on 2/27/05 4:30 PM:


"KMAN" wrote in message
...
in article
et, rick at
wrote on 2/27/05 6:20 AM:


"KMAN" wrote in message
...
You are a liar and a coward.
=================
LOL I provided sites for you. You are the one afraid to
find
out the facts...

Prove it. If you can't you are either a liar, a coward, or
both.

=================
LOL I provided sites for you. You are the one afraid to find
out the facts... Thanks again for proving your willful
ignorance,
and the fact that you have nothing to back up your claims....

As to lying, you're the only one that has lied here, fool...


Quote the lie that I told.

==============
I did already in other posts. I suppose you missed them too,
just like you now claim you didn't see the sites I provided
before about wai lines.




You lied about people dying in waiting lines for health care in
Canada.

=========
No, fool. I presented facts as given by Candaian web-sites.




And you are too big of a coward to admit it.
==========================

Nope, you are too afarid to lookmat the truth. Why is that?




rick February 28th 05 03:01 PM


"KMAN" wrote in message
...
in article
et, rick at
wrote on 2/27/05 5:19 PM:


"KMAN" wrote in message
...
in article
,
Tinkerntom
at
wrote on 2/27/05 2:39 PM:


snip...


Do you think rick is interested in any messages?

==============
Yes, truthful ones. When you going to make one?


There are no Canadians dying in waiting lines for health care.
If just one
of them did, it would be a national scandal featured as the
lead in every
news media.

=======================
LOL Keep telling yourself that. Maybe one day even you will
believe your ignorance.





He's not even interested in supporting any of his own
statements.

================
I have fool. You, on the other hand, have never been able to.
Why is that? Too busy lying?


I haven't lied.

==================
Yes,. you have.


You made a claim that you can't support and you are too big of
a coward to
admit it.

================
Nope. I supported my claims. You've yet to refute them.





snip..



Well Tinkerntom, it's very simple. Rick has made the claim,
and
he has
failed to support it.

=================
LOL I provided sites for you. You are the one afraid to find
out the facts... Thanks again for proving your willful
ignorance, and the fact that you have nothing to back up your
claims....


Even Tinkerntom, frightened as he seems to be of your lunacy,
has
acknowledged that you have failed to prove your claim.

======================
No, he did not. You have very bad comprehension, fool. But, why
the reliance on somebody else again, fool? Why is it yiou seem
to be too stupid, too ignorant, or to frightened to look up the
information that I provided?



Do you agree?
=================
Not if he reads the entire thread, and sees that I have
supported
my claims. More than once.


Add him to the list of people (everyone but you) who hasn't
seen any support
for your claim.

=================
Try again, fool...


And yet the
bottom line as I see it, is that it is your system, and if
it
works for
you, that is your business. It would only become my business
if someone
tried to enforce the system or some variation here in the
States, which
Hillary tried, and at the time, the majority of the people
decided that
we preferred the existing system we already have.

But do you agree that rick has made a claim that he has
failed
to support?
The topic at hand is really quite irrlevant to the question.

=================
LOL I provided sites for you. You are the one afraid to find
out the facts... Thanks again for proving your willful
ignorance, and the fact that you have nothing to back up your
claims....


Add him to the list of people (everyone but you) who hasn't
seen any support
for your claim.

================
Try again, fool.



Now as far as r being a liar and a coward, I don't know. I
came back
refreshed from vacation to find you two carrying on. I don't
know when
or where it started, and mostly have tried to ignore your
spat. I have
not seen any point in getting involved, or of even going
back
and
trying to find the supposed and questioned post by either
one
of you. I
have enough trouble keeping my post square as you well know
from our
previous experiences. I have been told back in the beginning
by my good
friends Wilko and riverman, not to say anything on the
forum,
that you
would say to someone face to face. Now seeing that he is a
gun
nut
(your definition) and possibly walks around with his
"Assault
weapon"
armed and ready, it might not be wise to walk up to him and
call him a
"liar and a coward." So then I find it most profitable to
refraim from
doing so here on the net as well.

But do you agree that rick has made a claim that he has
failed
to support?

=================
LOL I provided sites for you. You are the one afraid to find
out the facts... Thanks again for proving your willful
ignorance, and the fact that you have nothing to back up your
claims....


Add him to the list of people (everyone but you) who hasn't
seen any support
for your claim.
===========

Try again, fool...






C'mon Tinkerntom, what type of society are we to build here
in
rec.boats.paddle if we are not to support the basic
building
blocks
of
logical discussion? Shame on you!

Now if you wanted to continue a new thread about the
advantages of the
Canadian Health Care system, sometime in the future, maybe
there could
be a logical discussion, but I doubt that could happen at
this
time in
this thread. There appears to be to much macho image at risk
between
the two of you. I will look forward to that discussion, and
I
hope that
I am back on your list of reasonable non cowards! TnT

This is about basic integrity Tinkerntom. The topic is really
a
subordinate
issue. It is no different than if rick were to claim that
purple kayaks
result in increased death rates.

=================
LOL I provided sites for you. You are the one afraid to find
out the facts... Thanks again for proving your willful
ignorance, and the fact that you have nothing to back up your
claims....


Add him to the list of people (everyone but you) who hasn't
seen any support
for your claim.

================
Try again, fool.






rick February 28th 05 03:03 PM


"KMAN" wrote in message
...
in article
,
Tinkerntom


snip...


I don't personally want to see you leave, since I enjoy are
chats so
much, but you can always just ignore r if he bothers you that
much.


Nah, you can't let the liars and degenerates take over just
because they
"bother" you.

==================
LOL That's why he is arguing with you too, liar. Man, what an
idiot you are.



Besides which, being challenged by someone with no integrity
is really not a challenge at all.

================
I know. I haven't seen any from you since this started, liar.






rick February 28th 05 03:19 PM


"KMAN" wrote in message
...
in article
et, rick at
wrote on 2/27/05 5:15 PM:


"KMAN" wrote in message
...
in article
,
Tinkerntom


snip...



Rick is claiming that Canadians are dying in waiting lines
for
health care,

===============
No fool, I have provided sites that claim that Canadians are
dying in wait lines. YIOU have yet to provide anything that
refutes those sites.


Nothing you have ever posted substantiates that claim.

If just one Canadian had died waiting for health care, it would
be a
national scandal and featured as a lead story be all media.

=================================
Since you live in an only semi-free country, maybe there's a
massive coverup. Problem for you is that there are reports from
media on the net, that you could find, if you weren't so afraid
of the truth.





but he refuses to support his claim, and worse, says that he
has done so,
when everyone can see that he hasn't.

=====================
Yes, I have. That you are too stupid, lazy, or ignorant on
how
to fully use you computer is your problem. Plus, I have told
you
where to go look for yourself on several occasions. YOU are
too
afraid to do so, because your ideology will be found wanting.


Nothing you have ever posted substantiates your claim.

==============
Yes, it has. You are too afraid to look.



If just one Canadian had died waiting for health care, it would
be a
national scandal and featured as a lead story be all media.

=================================
Since you live in an only semi-free country, maybe there's a
massive coverup. Problem for you is that there are reports from
media on the net, that you could find, if you weren't so afraid
of the truth.




That makes him a liar and a coward

=====================
So far, the only proven liar and coward has been you, fool.


I haven't lied about anything.
======================

Yes, you did. Want to see your qoute, again?
"...No one is waiting for treatment..."



Tinkerntom, and so to (cowards) are all
those who cower in the closet, afraid that their "toes will
get
stepped on."

C'mon Tinkerntom, what type of society are we to build here
in
rec.boats.paddle if we are not to support the basic building
blocks of
logical discussion? Shame on you!

====================
ROTFLMAO This from the loony-toon that doesn't have a logical
bone is his body? Stop! The laughing is killing me! At
least I
won't have to wait for treatment!


Unles you are one of the 886,000 African Americans who woudl
still be alive
had they received the same care as whites, according to an
analysis in the
December issue of the American Journal of Public Health.




rick February 28th 05 03:24 PM


"KMAN" wrote in message
...
in article
et, rick at
wrote on 2/27/05 4:52 PM:


"KMAN" wrote in message
...
in article
et, rick at
wrote on 2/27/05 6:32 AM:





snip...





If you are using cars as a justification for assault weapons,
then you are
comparing the two, fool. LOL.

==========================
No fool. It is you that is trying to justify something based
on
what YOU determine to be a need. You failed.


You brought up cars, not me.

======================
No, you brought up the "need" of an object being the
determination whether or not people should have them. You lost,
again, and now have you resort to your ignorant spews...



cigarettes

I'm all in favour of getting rid of cigarettes. In fact,
where
I live, you
can't smoke inside in any public building or place of
business.

Canadian health care system...

At least no one dies waiting for care.
================
Yes, they do, and I have posted the information that says
so.

Liar.
=================
LOL I provided sites for you. You are the one afraid to
find
out the facts... Thanks again for proving your willful
ignorance,
and the fact that you have nothing to back up your
claims....

Prove it. If you can't you are either a liar, a coward, or
both.

=================
LOL I provided sites for you.


You have provided nothing to prove the claim that Canadians are
dying in
waiting lines for health care.

====================
Yes, I have...



You are the one afraid to find
out the facts...


I know the facts. There are no facts to substantiate your
claim.

=================
LOL I provided sites for you.




Thanks again for proving your willful ignorance
and the fact that you have nothing to back up your claims....


If just one Canadian was to die in a waiting line for health
care it would
be front page news in every paper and the lead story on every
television and
radio station.

=================================
SInce you live in an only semi-free country, maybe there's a
massive coverup. Problem for you is that there are reports from
media on the net, that you could find, if you weren't so afraid
of the truth.




Your refusal to respond by providing the references proves
that
you are in
fact a liar, coward, or both.

===============
Willful ignorance on you part...


If just one Canadian was to die in a waiting line for health
care it would
be front page news in every paper and the lead story on every
television and
radio station.

=================================
SInce you live in an only semi-free country, maybe there's a
massive coverup. Problem for you is that there are reports from
media on the net, that you could find, if you weren't so afraid
of the truth.







You are too afraid to look because your ideology would
take
a
beating.

I've looked. There's nothing there.
Yes, there is. I provided sites for you. You are the one
afraid
to find
out the facts... Thanks again for proving your willful
ignorance,
and the fact that you have nothing to back up your
claims....


Prove it. If you can't you are either a liar, a coward, or
both.


=================
LOL I provided sites for you.


You have provided nothing to prove the claim that Canadians are
dying in
waiting lines for health care.

=================
LOL Yes, I have. I provided sites for you.


You are the one afraid to find
out the facts...


I know the facts. There are no facts to substantiate your
claim.

==================
Not according to people in your own country, liar.



Thanks again for proving your willful ignorance
and the fact that you have nothing to back up your claims....


If just one Canadian was to die in a waiting line for health
care it would
be front page news in every paper and the lead story on every
television and
radio station.

=================================
SInce you live in an only semi-free country, maybe there's a
massive coverup. Problem for you is that there are reports from
media on the net, that you could find, if you weren't so afraid
of the truth.



Your refusal to respond by providing the references proves
that
you are in
fact a liar, coward, or both.

===============
Willful ignorance on you part...


If just one Canadian was to die in a waiting line for health
care it would
be front page news in every paper and the lead story on every
television and
radio station.

=================================
SInce you live in an only semi-free country, maybe there's a
massive coverup. Problem for you is that there are reports from
media on the net, that you could find, if you weren't so afraid
of the truth.



Perhaps you should look at the the United States where more
than 886,000
deaths could have been prevented from 1991 to 2000 if
African
Americans had
received the same care as whites, according to an analysis
in
the December
issue of the American Journal of Public Health.

Why are you focused on lying about Canadian health care
when
hundreds of
thousands of people are dying unecessarily in your own
country?
=================
LOL I'm not focused on it, you seem to want to discuss the
lies
you have presented in your jingoistic spews.

I am not in any way affiliated with the American Journal of
Public Health.

You asre lying,
plain and simple. Butthen, your simple mind knows no
difference,
eh fool?

What am I lying about? Provde that I am lying,

========================
Already did. You lied about wait lines.


If just one Canadian was to die in a waiting line for health
care it would
be front page news in every paper and the lead story on every
television and
radio station.

=================================
SInce you live in an only semi-free country, maybe there's a
massive coverup. Problem for you is that there are reports from
media on the net, that you could find, if you weren't so afraid
of the truth.



I never said that no one has to wait.

================
Yes, you did.



Everyone has to wait in every health care system. That's why
every hospital
has a waiting room,

If you can't you are either a liar, a coward, or both.


=================
LOL I provided sites for you.


You have provided nothing to prove the claim that Canadians are
dying in
waiting lines for health care.

=================
LOL I provided sites for you. You are the one afraid to find
out the facts... Thanks again for proving your willful
ignorance, and the fact that you have nothing to back up your
claims....


You are the one afraid to find
out the facts...


I know the facts. There are no facts to substantiate your
claim.

Thanks again for proving your willful ignorance
and the fact that you have nothing to back up your claims....


If just one Canadian was to die in a waiting line for health
care it would
be front page news in every paper and the lead story on every
television and
radio station.

=================================
Since you live in an only semi-free country, maybe there's a
massive coverup. Problem for you is that there are reports from
media on the net, that you could find, if you weren't so afraid
of the truth.



Your refusal to respond by providing the references proves
that
you are in
fact a liar, coward, or both.

===============
Willful ignorance on you part...


If just one Canadian was to die in a waiting line for health
care it would
be front page news in every paper and the lead story on every
television and
radio station.

=================================
Since you live in an only semi-free country, maybe there's a
massive coverup. Problem for you is that there are reports from
media on the net, that you could find, if you weren't so afraid
of the truth.



snip



Ah, came a little (pun intended) too close to home on that
one!
=======================
Nope, just laughing at your stupidity...

I don't think so. You are laughing to cover the pain.

======================
The pain is watching how stupid you are.


The pain is living with your own cowardice.

=================
You must be in real pain then, huh? Time for your meds?


snip

Name one thing. Please quote the alleged lie, and provide
proof
that it is a
lie.
===========================
That Canadians don't wait for treatment in your health care
system.

You did not quote me.

======================
Yes, I did. see other posts for today... Here, want to see
it
again?
"...No one is waiting for treatment..."


You need to quote without the "... and ..." and you also need
to provide a
link to the message so it can be verified. What a scumbag you
are!

================
There was no "and" fool. You made that statemnet. Too abd
you're a proven liar, eh?
YOU nmade the statement. Now you're claiming you can't find it?
You really are a loser, aren't you, liar?




provided that proof already. Too bad for you, liar.

Quote the alleged lie and prove that it is a lie.

========================
Already did both, fool.


You did neither. You are a coward and a liar.

=================
LOL I provided sites for you. You are the one afraid to find
out the facts... Thanks again for proving your willful
ignorance, and the fact that you have nothing to back up your
claims....




If you can't you are either a liar, a coward, or both.

=================
LOL I provided sites for you. You are the one afraid to find
out the facts... Thanks again for proving your willful
ignorance, and the fact that you have nothing to back up your
claims....


LOL I provided sites for you.


You have provided nothing to prove the claim that Canadians are
dying in
waiting lines for health care.

=================
LOL I provided sites for you. You are the one afraid to find
out the facts... Thanks again for proving your willful
ignorance, and the fact that you have nothing to back up your
claims....


You are the one afraid to find
out the facts...


I know the facts. There are no facts to substantiate your
claim.

Thanks again for proving your willful ignorance
and the fact that you have nothing to back up your claims....


If just one Canadian was to die in a waiting line for health
care it would
be front page news in every paper and the lead story on every
television and
radio station.

=================================
Since you live in an only semi-free country, maybe there's a
massive coverup. Problem for you is that there are reports from
media on the net, that you could find, if you weren't so afraid
of the truth.




Your refusal to respond by providing the references proves
that
you are in
fact a liar, coward, or both.

===============
Willful ignorance on your part...


If just one Canadian was to die in a waiting line for health
care it would
be front page news in every paper and the lead story on every
television and
radio station.


=================================
Since you live in an only semi-free country, maybe there's a
massive coverup. Problem for you is that there are reports from
media on the net, that you could find, if you weren't so afraid
of the truth.


Or are you yourself lying, and too big of a coward to admit
it?

Please quote something I have said and explain why it is
a
lie.
==================
That Canadians do not wait for treatment

I never said this. You are lying.
======================
Yes, you did. Exactly that fool...

Post the reference.

====================
Already did, liar. Gave you the date. That you are too stupid
to remember what you say, or how to fully use your computer is
your problem.



If you can't you are either a liar, a coward, or both.

=================
LOL I provided sites for you. You are the one afraid to find
out the facts... Thanks again for proving your willful
ignorance, and the fact that you have nothing to back up your
claims....


If just one Canadian was to die in a waiting line for health
care it would
be front page news in every paper and the lead story on every
television and
radio station.

=================================
Since you live in an only semi-free country, maybe there's a
massive coverup. Problem for you is that there are reports from
media on the net, that you could find, if you weren't so afraid
of the truth.





Your refusal to respond by providing the references proves
that
you are in
fact a liar, coward, or both.


much less die waiting

Canadians are not dying in waiting lines for health care.
You
are lying.
=================
LOL I provided sites for you. You are the one afraid to
find
out the facts... Thanks again for proving your willful
ignorance,
and the fact that you have nothing to back up your
claims....

Prove it. If you can't you are either a liar, a coward, or
both.

=================
LOL I provided sites for you. You are the one afraid to find
out the facts... Thanks again for proving your willful
ignorance, and the fact that you have nothing to back up your
claims....


If just one Canadian was to die in a waiting line for health
care it would
be front page news in every paper and the lead story on every
television and
radio station.


=================================
Since you live in an only semi-free country, maybe there's a
massive coverup. Problem for you is that there are reports from
media on the net, that you could find, if you weren't so afraid
of the truth.




Your refusal to respond by providing the references proves
that
you are in
fact a liar, coward, or both.

===============
Willfully ignorant AND stupid... What a combination.


If just one Canadian was to die in a waiting line for health
care it would
be front page news in every paper and the lead story on every
television and
radio station.

=================================
Since you live in an only semi-free country, maybe there's a
massive coverup. Problem for you is that there are reports from
media on the net, that you could find, if you weren't so afraid
of the truth.



snip


Prove it. If you can't you are either a liar, a coward, or
both.

=================
LOL I provided sites for you. You are the one afraid to find
out the facts... Thanks again for proving your willful
ignorance, and the fact that you have nothing to back up your
claims....


If just one Canadian was to die in a waiting line for health
care it would
be front page news in every paper and the lead story on every
television and
radio station.

=================================
Since you live in an only semi-free country, maybe there's a
massive coverup. Problem for you is that there are reports from
media on the net, that you could find, if you weren't so afraid
of the truth.





Your refusal to respond by providing the references proves
that
you are in
fact a liar, coward, or both.


It seems to be both. We can consider that confirmed.

=====================
Yes, it has been confirmed that you are both. You've been
proving that for a over a week now.




rick February 28th 05 03:24 PM


"KMAN" wrote in message
...
in article ,
rick at
wrote on 2/27/05 5:10 PM:


"KMAN" wrote in message
...
snip..

FYI, it's not just with me that rick is a liar and a coward.
His behavior is
rather universal on that note.

===============
The only proven liar in the thread had been you. I'm still
waiting for you to provide the proof that refutes what I have
already posted.


You've posted nothing to prove that Canadians are dying in
waiting lines for
health care, and you never will, because it isn't true. If it
happened to
just one Canadian it would be a huge national scandal.

=================================
Since you live in an only semi-free country, maybe there's a
massive coverup. Problem for you is that there are reports from
media on the net, that you could find, if you weren't so afraid
of the truth.


Why have you spent this much time and energy trying to lie your
way out, instead of finding the information that refutes the
sites that I provided? Because you can't do it? Because you are
either too stupid to? Too ignorant to? Or that the truth is
something you don't want to admit because your ideology and
jingoistic chest thumping won't let you admit anything is wrong,
as long as you have the big bad boogey man of the US to spew
about?





rick February 28th 05 03:25 PM


"KMAN" wrote in message
...
in article
et, rick at
wrote on 2/27/05 5:10 PM:


"KMAN" wrote in message
...
in article
,
Tinkerntom


snip..



Tinkerntom, I'm actually surprised that a man of your high
moral stands has
not jumped in to criticize rick for being a liar and a
coward.
Why is that?
================

MAybe for the simple reason that I have not lied. Of course,
you
cannot make the same claim.
Why not at least back up one of your claims, fool?


If just one Canadian died in a waiting line for health care it
would be a
national scandal featured on the front page of every newspaper
and the lead
story of every television and readio news program. It hasn't
happened rick.
You made it up. You are a liar. And a coward for refusing to
admit it.

=================================
Since you live in an only semi-free country, maybe there's a
massive coverup. Problem for you is that there are reports from
media on the net, that you could find, if you weren't so afraid
of the truth.


To his credit, Tinkerntom has added his name to the list of
those who have
never seen you prove your claim.

===============
:ied again. Thanks for the proof







rick February 28th 05 03:27 PM


"KMAN" wrote in message
...
in article , KMAN at
wrote on 2/28/05 12:59 AM:



snippage...

"I agree, that you claim, that he made the claim, and failed
to support
it. No mystery here after watching this squabble for the last
week!"

...I missed out on the weasel words you threw in there. I
guess you really
are afraid of rick!


While you are still up, Tinkerntom, let me see if you are not
too big of a
coward to give a straight answer.

Have you seen rick provide any evidence to support a claim that
Canadians
are dying in waiting lines for health care?

===============
Nice strawman there fool. He already siad he wasn't, BECAUSE he
did not go back and read the previous posts.
Man, you really are this stupid, aren't you?



[] Yes

[] No




rick February 28th 05 03:28 PM


"KMAN" wrote in message
.. .


snip...

Coward!

=============
Projection, fool. You have proven yourself as the coward here.







rick February 28th 05 03:30 PM


"KMAN" wrote in message
...
in article
et, rick at
wrote on 2/27/05 4:33 PM:


"KMAN" wrote in message
...
in article
et, rick at
wrote on 2/27/05 6:22 AM:


"KMAN" wrote in message
...
You are a liar and a coward.
=================
LOL I provided sites for you. You are the one afraid to
find
out the facts... Thanks again for proving your willful
ignorance,
and the fact that you have nothing to back up your
claims....

Prove it. If you can't you are either a liar, a coward, or
both.

=================
LOL I provided sites for you. You are the one afraid to find
out the facts... Thanks again for proving your willful
ignorance,
and the fact that you have nothing to back up your claims....




Your refusal to respond by providing the references proves
that
you are in
fact a liar, coward, or both.

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You're continued lying about providing posts is hilarious
fool.
I did provide sites that backed up my claims. You haven't
refuted my claims. You can't, so you spew your willful
ignorance
instead.


You have made no posts that prove Canadians are dying in
waiting lines for
health care.

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LOL I provided sites for you. You are the one afraid to find
out the facts... Thanks again for proving your willful
ignorance, and the fact that you have nothing to back up your
claims....


You are a liar and a coward.

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Nope. You have proven yourself to be both that and ignorant.






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