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"KMAN" wrote in message ... in article et, rick at wrote on 3/1/05 5:21 PM: snip... You did not quote me. ====================== Yes, I did. see other posts for today... Here, want to see it again? "...No one is waiting for treatment..." You need to quote without the "... and ..." and you also need to provide a link to the message so it can be verified. What a scumbag you are! ================ There was no "and" fool. You made that statemnet. Too abd you're a proven liar, eh? YOU made the statement. Now you're claiming you can't find it? You really are a loser, aren't you, liar? restore end Post the entire quote. Why did you need to delete the beginning and end? Weasel. ====================== "...No one is waiting for treatment..." Why are you concerned about whole quotes while you dishonestly delete whole ones, fool? Provide the entire quote. Scum. ==================== What I posted says it all. You lied. It says nothing because you have engaged in the ultimate scumbag tactic of posting a partial quote with no context and no reference. ======================== Then post the entire thing if you think it will change the statement, liarman. As it is, it stands alone as the statement you made, and meant. That you are continuing to lie is no surprise, since you are a proven liar. |
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wrote on 3/1/05 10:52 PM: "KMAN" wrote in message ... in article et, rick at wrote on 3/1/05 5:12 PM: "KMAN" wrote in message . .. "rick" wrote in message k.net... "KMAN" wrote in message ... in article , rick at wrote on 2/28/05 6:49 PM: snip Is there a coroner's report that says Mr X. died because he was waiting? ===================== Read the sites fool. As you know, patient info is not released. There are stories about health care issues in the media all the time. Something as serious as someone dying while waiting for care would definitely make the front page. ================== It has before fool. Never. Prove it. ======================= Yes, fool. Try some researchof you own. You made the claim. I've done it. It hasn't happened, save for your weasel imagination. =================================== OK If you have done the research, then you should be able to refute the facts, eh liar? Still claiming no one waits for treatment in Canada? I never said that. As I've told you more than a dozen times, as with every health care system, people in Canada sometimes have to wait. So. Did you see what I just said? People in Canada sometimes have to wait. In fact, I will guarantee that given it is a snowy night and the roads are slippery, somewhere her in Ottawa someone is sitting in a hospital and waiting for treatment. So. Do you understand that I do not claim that nobody is waiting? Or are you going to continue being a supreme weasel, scumbag, and liar, and keep stating that I claim otherwise? |
"KMAN" wrote in message ... in article , BCITORGB at wrote on 3/1/05 5:31 PM: Tink, I'm fairly sure you didn't read this one: http://www.utoronto.ca/hpme/dhr/pdf/Barer-Lewis.pdf I quote: "In short, patients get on wait lists in Canada through a poorly understood, haphazard, unaudited, entirely private process largely controlled by individual physicians." The authors tell us that the notion of a waiting list and the notions of waiting and waiting times are hard to define. For example, when "exactly" does a patient (and, in this case, I don't care if it's in Canada, the USA, the UK, or whereever) get "on" a waiting list? Tink, when you call your family doctor, and the receptionist informs you that you can come in on Thursday, you're on a waiting list (if this is a day other than Thursday). But what is particularly interesting in the statement in question is the part about it being an "entirely private process largely controlled by individual physicians." So, no big bad government determining who gets to wait. It is the physician, using his/her best knowledge, who determines the nature of our wait. I think this is exactly what KMAN, Michael, and I have been trying to say. Doctors in Canada operate privately. Tink, your source goes on to say: "Wait times tend to be, in statistical jargon, highly skewed. This means that very long waits are the exception. A few long waits can have the same misleading effect on wait time statistics as a few palatial mansions on average housing prices." NOTE: "very long waits are the exception" To complete that thought, the authors say: "But in the world of selling papers and tv advertising spots, the exception often makes the story. This gets an unassuming public understandably concerned, playing nicely into the hands of those seeking to get more money into the system." Is that not EXACTLY what KMAN has been saying? This is hype! NOW READ THIS CAREFULLY (IT TAKES THE CANADIAN PULSE): "Some recent Canadian research has found that not all patients are unhappy about waiting. Very few patients who felt waits were "too long" wanted to see additional public funds used to reduce wait times (although this may be related to the procedures they were waiting for and may also now be changing, as Canadians seem increasingly concerned about access to care). Fewer still seemed interested in shelling out extra money personally to reduce their wait time." NOTE CAREFULLY: "Fewer still seemed interested in shelling out extra money personally to reduce their wait time." That's us, cheap Canadians (just ask the folks in Florida)! Anyway, Tink, thanks for the link. It goes on, and on, and on, supporting KMAN's points. frtzw906 Dang. I owe Tinkerntom and apology. I never should have assumed he understood the information he was posting. Sorry Tinkerntom! ====================== You should know about not understanding the paper, liarman. Because it is all about wait lists for treatment in Canada. Something you have claimed that Canadians don't do. Again, you are proven to be the liar you are. Nice that you like American cites now, eh liar? |
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at wrote on 3/1/05 10:56 PM: KMAN wrote: "Tinkerntom" wrote in message ups.com... KMAN wrote: ...snipsss... My apologies for being unclear Tinkerntom. Can I please try again? Has rick PROVEN to you that Canadians are dying waiting for health care? If you will excuse and accept the following babble? I deleted it. Has he proven it? Yes, he provided evidence, and there was other evidence available! How has he PROVEN it. Anyone can "provide evidence" that is not the same as proving something, Tinkerntom. For example, your participation here in this newsgroup is something I would provide as evidence that you are suffering from mental health problems. But as I am sure you will agree, it doesn't prove it. For example, did a coroner's inquiry say "Person X died while waiting for health care, and if the health care system had not responded so slowly, she'd still be alive?" Yes, read about Diane Gorsuch below! That fact that a person was on a waiting list for something and died doesn't mean that caused the death. He never claimed that! If so show me Date and Time of rick's post! I am to tired to search any longer myself, having read and reread probably 100 less than inspiring epistles by you two. Sigh. Well what would be the point of claiming that someone died while they were on a waiting list but the fact that they were waiting was not related to the cause of death!?!?!!?? Has rick PROVEN to you that Canadians are dying waiting for health care? Yes, ask and answered previously and below! How has he proven it? Can you point me to an objective report (such as a coroner's report or inquiry) that says "Person X died because they were on a waiting list and their death was preventable if they had not been on that waiting list" Please note (in case not obvious) this means that it was the waiting that caused them to die. Now you are changing the question, rick never claimed this. He claimed that people died while their name was on a waiting list, waiting for a test or procedure that could have saved their life. That's fine. Point me to any objective report that says someone died because they were waiting for treatment that woudl have saved their life. They still might have lost their life, even if they had the procedure, because these were seriously ill individuals with life threatening illness, usually cardiac or ontology, but that is a different issue entirely! No, it isn't. Before your deleted it, did you read it? Your promise was posted as follows; Feb 22, 7:03 am "Please provide a link to the message in which you posted a Canadian reference (or any reference) that proves Canadians have died in wait lines for health care, and I will make a formal and public apology." Sigh. I am not a scumbag like rick. I make a formal and public apology. The question, although badly worded, was worded by yours truly, and, as worded,the requested burden has been met. Sadly, the intended purpose of asking such a question - to combat bizarre mythology being propogated about Canadian health care and to try to bring some focus to wild unsubstiated generalizations - has been even more widly derailed by rick's deceptive tactics that have focused mainly on ad hominem attacks and unreferenced accusations. The Canadian health care system is excellent, and what some of the articles you quoted show is that the provincial and federal governments (and more importantly the general populace) see it as a top priority and are determined to keep standards high. |
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wrote on 3/1/05 10:58 PM: "KMAN" wrote in message ... in article et, rick at wrote on 3/1/05 5:18 PM: "KMAN" wrote in message . .. "rick" wrote in message k.net... "KMAN" wrote in message ... in article , rick at wrote on 2/28/05 7:06 PM: "rick" wrote in message ink.net... "KMAN" wrote in message snippage... Or are you going to be consistent and be a liar and a coward on this issue as well? ==================== Anything you open your mouth about, like Canadians never waiting for treatment. I never said that. Every health care system requires that people wait. ========================== Yes, you did liar. Do try to keep up with your own spews, dolt. What part of your claim: "...No one is waiting for treatment..." don't you undersatnd? You said it fool, 2/20/2005 Big lie there fool... Never said it. Prove that I did. ================ See above fool. You made the claim, liar. Why none of your pithy spews here, fool? Finally realixed how stupid you really are, and how much you lie? Post the entire quote, and reference it, weasel. ============================ "...No one is waiting for treatment..." That's is a quote by you fool. feb 20, 2005. That you are still too stupid to fully use your computer is no surprise, liar. Post the entire quote. ================== What I posted stands by itself. You lied. "...No one is waiting for treatment..." Still afraid to look things up for yourself, eh liar? Only a scumbag posts the middle of a quote with no context or reference. ========================== It wasn't from the middle, liar, it was'nt out of context, liar. I provided the the reference by date and time you said it, liar. Thanks for proving yet again that lies are all you have, since the facts are not on your side. You could have easily pasted the entire context, including headers. Instead you posted a piece of a statement without the information that preceded it or came after. A scumbag tactic. |
"KMAN" wrote in message ... in article et, rick at wrote on 3/1/05 9:34 PM: kman also claimed that no one in Canada waits for treatment, yet another lie http://www.angelfire.com/pa/sergeman...anbacklog.html I never made that claim, =========================== Yes, you did. "...No one is waiting for treatment..." 2/20/2005 2:14pm Complete sentence. No "and", "or", "but". as I've told you a dozen times (but you are such a scumbag that you keep on lying) there are wait times in every health care system, including Canada. ======================= That's not waht you claimed earlier, until your lies were exposed, liarman. In fact, you will recall that you yourself posted an article about people waiting for a specific test in Newfoundland. ======================== Which is where you denied that Candaians are waiting for treatment. You lied then, liarman... |
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wrote on 3/1/05 11:01 PM: "KMAN" wrote in message ... in article et, rick at wrote on 3/1/05 5:20 PM: snip... Here, let me restore your dishonesty again, liar.. "No, you brought up the "need" of an object being the determination whether or not people should have them. You lost, again, and now have you resort to your ignorant spews... checkmate, proven liar..." What is the need for assault weapons to the general public? It's a valid question. They are only useful for spraying bullets. Why else do you need them? In response to this YOU brought up the fact that people get killed by cars. But cars have many other valid and valuable purposes. ================ So do weapons. What are the valuable purposes of assault weapons that are comparable to the valuable purposes of cars? ======================== LOL Tap, tap, tap. First it's does it have a need? As if 'need' is the determenat as to whether an object can be owned. Now it's a 'valuable' need! You really don't have a clue, do you, liarman. What a surprise, the coward isn't going to answer! Here's what you said: see above! === KMAN: cars have many other valid and valuable purposes. rick: So do weapons === So, coward, why are you being a scumbag and refusing to name those valid and valuable purposes of assault weapons? |
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wrote on 3/1/05 11:04 PM: "KMAN" wrote in message ... in article et, rick at wrote on 3/1/05 5:21 PM: snip... You did not quote me. ====================== Yes, I did. see other posts for today... Here, want to see it again? "...No one is waiting for treatment..." You need to quote without the "... and ..." and you also need to provide a link to the message so it can be verified. What a scumbag you are! ================ There was no "and" fool. You made that statemnet. Too abd you're a proven liar, eh? YOU made the statement. Now you're claiming you can't find it? You really are a loser, aren't you, liar? restore end Post the entire quote. Why did you need to delete the beginning and end? Weasel. ====================== "...No one is waiting for treatment..." Why are you concerned about whole quotes while you dishonestly delete whole ones, fool? Provide the entire quote. Scum. ==================== What I posted says it all. You lied. It says nothing because you have engaged in the ultimate scumbag tactic of posting a partial quote with no context and no reference. ======================== Then post the entire thing if you think it will change the statement, liarman. As it is, it stands alone as the statement you made It isnt' a statement. It's only six words that may or may not be part of an entire statement that you say I made. Post the whole thing, including headers. What are you afriad of? |
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