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"KMAN" wrote in message ... in article et, rick at wrote on 3/1/05 11:32 PM: Still claiming no one waits for treatment in Canada? I never said that. ==================== Yes, you did liarman. "...No one is waiting for treatment..." Just because it is a sentence doesn't mean it is a complete statement. ================== Yes, it does fool. Your next sentence even emphsised what you said in this one, liarman. Example: What do you mean rick is a bit of an idiot, that's not true. He's got to be the biggest idiot on the planet! To paste only the first sentence and then claim that I don't think rick is an idiot would be just as dishonest as what you have been doing with my sentence about waiting. Here is more of the context: ====== As many as 100 children in Newfoundland face 30-month waits for the high-tech scans, said Geoffrey Higgins, clinical chief of diagnostic imaging at the Health Care Corporation of St. John's. While the wait is "less than ideal," he said patients' conditions are being investigated and followed by other medical means, and that anyone needing an emergency scan gets one. ====================== LOL Sure, 2 years into a wait he might really NEED emegency treatment, eh? At that time he goes right to the top of the list. Maybe too late, eh? At the least, he has suffered more than was medically necessary, and at worst is now beyond treatment, or too weak to survive the treatment. You're telling me there aren't poor people in the US in isolated or slum areas where they have a hard time getting a scan at their convenience? Get real. ==================== Another strawman, I see. We aren't talking about their 'convenience', we're talking about the convenience of the medical systam. When that 'poor' person arrives at a medical facility in need, then yes, I'm saying that they will not wait 2 1/2 years for treatment. No one is waiting for treatment. It's about a specific type of scan in a specific geographic area and the waiting is for non-emergencies. ============================ LOL You just made my point for me, liarman. Your first statement is declarative. 'No one is waiting for treatment.' The next sentence just emphasizes it. Her you are making sure that treatment and scans are seperate things, and saying people are witing for those. Unfortunately for you, I have preseneted facts that tell that canadaians are in fact waiting for treatment, and you have now had to try to tap dance your way out of this lie. ===== What I am saying (clearly) is that nobody is waiting 2 1/2 years to get treatment. They get treatment the day they walk into the hospital. What they are waiting for, as the article says, is a specific type of high-tech scan. Note from the above: "While the wait is "less than ideal," he said patients' conditions are being investigated and followed by other medical means, and that anyone needing an emergency scan gets one. Now, let's get back to what you have been saying: rick: kman also claimed that no one in Canada waits for treatment, yet another lie ====================== No, you are lying, liarman. I never made the statement that no one in Canada waits for treatment. =============== Yes, you did, and you've even kindly quoted yourself above, liarman. You owe me an apology. ===================== No, fool, you owe the apology. I have proven that peple wwait for treatment, AND that some die waiting for treatment. I don't expect you're honest enough to admit your lies though, liarman. But I bet you are too weak to do it. ================= No need to. I haven't lied... as I've told you a dozen times (but you are such a scumbag that you keep on lying) there are wait times in every health care system, including Canada. ======================= That's not waht you claimed earlier, until your lies were exposed, liarman. No, I didn't. You owe me an apology. ====================== Yes, you did, and you even provided the quote yourself... In fact, you will recall that you yourself posted an article about people waiting for a specific test in Newfoundland. ======================== Which is where you denied that Candaians are waiting for treatment. You lied then, liarman... As you can see above, clearly I was explaining that those people were not waiting for treatment, they were waiting for a specific type of high tech test. ============================ No fool. You didn't say that the people in the story were not waiting for treatment, you claimed that "NO" candaians are waiting for treatment. When you lie was exposed, you had to change your tune, eh liarman? You owe me an apology. ================ Nope. |
"KMAN" wrote in message ... in article , Tinkerntom at wrote on 3/1/05 10:56 PM: KMAN wrote: "Tinkerntom" wrote in message ups.com... KMAN wrote: ...snipsss... My apologies for being unclear Tinkerntom. Can I please try again? Has rick PROVEN to you that Canadians are dying waiting for health care? If you will excuse and accept the following babble? I deleted it. Has he proven it? Yes, he provided evidence, and there was other evidence available! How has he PROVEN it. Anyone can "provide evidence" that is not the same as proving something, Tinkerntom. ================ Not to the willfully ignorant, right liarman? For example, your participation here in this newsgroup is something I would provide as evidence that you are suffering from mental health problems. But as I am sure you will agree, it doesn't prove it. For example, did a coroner's inquiry say "Person X died while waiting for health care, and if the health care system had not responded so slowly, she'd still be alive?" Yes, read about Diane Gorsuch below! That fact that a person was on a waiting list for something and died doesn't mean that caused the death. He never claimed that! If so show me Date and Time of rick's post! I am to tired to search any longer myself, having read and reread probably 100 less than inspiring epistles by you two. Sigh. Well what would be the point of claiming that someone died while they were on a waiting list but the fact that they were waiting was not related to the cause of death!?!?!!?? ==================== Then read the sites presented, liarman. Has rick PROVEN to you that Canadians are dying waiting for health care? Yes, ask and answered previously and below! How has he proven it? ================ Many times, with Candians medical sources, liarman. Can you point me to an objective report (such as a coroner's report or inquiry) that says "Person X died because they were on a waiting list and their death was preventable if they had not been on that waiting list" =============== camj Please note (in case not obvious) this means that it was the waiting that caused them to die. Now you are changing the question, rick never claimed this. He claimed that people died while their name was on a waiting list, waiting for a test or procedure that could have saved their life. That's fine. Point me to any objective report that says someone died because they were waiting for treatment that woudl have saved their life. ============== camj They still might have lost their life, even if they had the procedure, because these were seriously ill individuals with life threatening illness, usually cardiac or ontology, but that is a different issue entirely! No, it isn't. Before your deleted it, did you read it? Your promise was posted as follows; Feb 22, 7:03 am "Please provide a link to the message in which you posted a Canadian reference (or any reference) that proves Canadians have died in wait lines for health care, and I will make a formal and public apology." Sigh. I am not a scumbag like rick. ================== You're far worse. I ay least provide evidence for the claims I make. You have nothing, liarman. I make a formal and public apology. The question, although badly worded, was worded by yours truly, and, as worded,the requested burden has been met. Sadly, the intended purpose of asking such a question - to combat bizarre mythology being propogated about Canadian health care and to try to bring some focus to wild unsubstiated generalizations - has been even more widly derailed by rick's deceptive tactics that have focused mainly on ad hominem attacks and unreferenced accusations. The Canadian health care system is excellent, and what some of the articles you quoted show is that the provincial and federal governments (and more importantly the general populace) see it as a top priority and are determined to keep standards high. |
"BCITORGB" wrote in message oups.com... KMAN says: =================== Sadly, the intended purpose of asking such a question - to combat bizarre mythology being propogated about Canadian health care and to try to bring some focus to wild unsubstiated generalizations - has been even more widly derailed by rick's deceptive tactics that have focused mainly on ad hominem attacks and unreferenced accusations. ================= Absolutely correct on all counts KMAN. ========================== I see you too are willfully ignorant, eh? Did you quit reading the sites that were posted when they started proving yours and liarmans jingoistic chest-thumping was nothing but lies? frtzw906 |
"Michael Daly" wrote in message ... On 1-Mar-2005, KMAN wrote: How has he PROVEN it. Anyone can "provide evidence" that is not the same as proving something, Tinkerntom. But dying while waiting and dying because of waiting are two different things. ================== Sure they are, but the sites I have provided prove that it is the wait for treatment that caused the deaths. I haven't looked at all his most recent posts, but some of the numbers posted did not specify that the deaths were because they were waiting. ============= And many did. Too bad you can't be bothered with the truth, eh? Mike |
"KMAN" wrote in message ... "Michael Daly" wrote in message ... On 1-Mar-2005, KMAN wrote: How has he PROVEN it. Anyone can "provide evidence" that is not the same as proving something, Tinkerntom. But dying while waiting and dying because of waiting are two different things. I haven't looked at all his most recent posts, but some of the numbers posted did not specify that the deaths were because they were waiting. Mike I know. But it really wasn't the point anyway. I was trying to address the broad American mythology about Canadian health care, and in trying to pin down rick to a concrete level, moved the discussion into silly semantics. ================== Yes, you have tried tio divert the discussion into a semantic one. It still doesn't alter the fact that you have remained wuillfully ignorant in the face of the evidence presented, liarman. |
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"BCITORGB" wrote in message ups.com... TnT: http://canada.medbroadcast.com/healt...nnel_ id=1006 pertains to "public health"... as in health inspections of restaurants.... it says nothing at all about people dying in lines.... ================ What drugs are you on? It does however discuss a problem with an overloaded system that can't cope. Jeez, TnT, I'm willing to look at your sources, but at least determine before hand that they're relevant.... so far you're not doing well: a quack, Sweden, and health inspections during a SARS crisis... frtzw906 |
"BCITORGB" wrote in message oups.com... snippage... Tink, whatever happened to reading with a critical eye? ================== Whatever happened with reading with your eyes open? many of the sites support that people die waiting for treatment. frtzw906 |
"KMAN" wrote in message . .. "rick" wrote in message ink.net... "KMAN" wrote in message ... in article et, rick at wrote on 3/1/05 11:27 PM: "KMAN" wrote in message ... in article et, rick at wrote on 3/1/05 9:34 PM: kman also claimed that no one in Canada waits for treatment, yet another lie http://www.angelfire.com/pa/sergeman...anbacklog.html I never made that claim, =========================== Yes, you did. "...No one is waiting for treatment..." 2/20/2005 2:14pm Complete sentence. No "and", "or", "but". Just because it is a sentence doesn't mean it is a complete statement. Example: What do you mean rick is a bit of an idiot, that's not true. He's got to be the biggest idiot on the planet! To paste only the first sentence and then claim that I don't think rick is an idiot would be just as dishonest as what you have been doing with my sentence about waiting. Here is more of the context: ====== As many as 100 children in Newfoundland face 30-month waits for the high-tech scans, said Geoffrey Higgins, clinical chief of diagnostic imaging at the Health Care Corporation of St. John's. While the wait is "less than ideal," he said patients' conditions are being investigated and followed by other medical means, and that anyone needing an emergency scan gets one. ====================== LOL Sure, 2 years into a wait he might really NEED emegency treatment, eh? At that time he goes right to the top of the list. Maybe too late, eh? At the least, he has suffered more than was medically necessary, and at worst is now beyond treatment, or too weak to survive the treatment. You're telling me there aren't poor people in the US in isolated or slum areas where they have a hard time getting a scan at their convenience? Get real. ==================== Another strawman, I see. We aren't talking about their 'convenience', we're talking about the convenience of the medical systam. When that 'poor' person arrives at a medical facility in need, then yes, I'm saying that they will not wait 2 1/2 years for treatment. No one is waiting for treatment. ====================== Yes, they are. Weeks months and years. Even you have agreed to that, now. Nono. Stop being dishonest. I never said no one in Canada is waiting for treatment. ================ Yes, you did. See the context above again. It is not that complicated. ================ The context digs you in deeper into your lies, liarman. I responded to your claim that the people in your example were waiting 2 1/2 years for treatment. They are not. It's about a specific type of scan in a specific geographic area and the waiting is for non-emergencies. ==================== Nope. You claimed that no Canadians were waiting for treatment. I made no such claim, you are a liar and a scumbag. There is no such thing as a health care system where no one waits for treatment. You owe me an apology. ============== No fool. You lied, and continue to lie. |
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