"Paul Schilter" paulschilter@comcast,dot,net wrote in message
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Tex,
What you say is true, but isn't it also the American way to buy
American?

I always tried to do that with clothing because there was a point where I
began to notice that the quality was MUCH better. Now, just TRY and find
clothing or shoes made here. It's next to impossible.

Cars are another story. My first two cars were American, and due to constant
problems, they almost put ME out of work. Once you realize you're being bent
over like a newcomer in a prison, it's silly to submit to more or the same
treatment.

Harry Krause wrote:
K Smith wrote:

Gould 0738 wrote:

Our jobs are going overseas because
our politicians have no interest in fighting corporations from sending
jobs overseas.




Our jobs are going overseas faster than they would have partially because
WALMART is so super aggressive in their buying.

It's directly on behalf of you the consumer, you don't "have" to buy
any particular thing; however they do "allow" you the choice. I know in
a socialist dream system free choice is to be crushed at every
opportunity, but you haven't got that far yet & hopefully never
will.........

When they want to carry

toasters, for example, they invite all the major manufacturers of toasters down
to Arkansas and pit them against one another. During the last cost cutting
cycle, everybody who wanted to sell anyhing to WALMART *had* to go to China for
labor or lose out.

It's referred to as "competition" Chuckster & I know you like to tag it
so it's only competition when it's "competition" on your terms i.e. you
win, but sorry competition is competition.



It's actually the fight for the bottom.

You *really* are a corporate whore, Karen.

Now there's the usual Harry abuse.




China is not a "cheap" place to produce as such after all they're
communists like Harry:-) Small timers can't just swan into China &
exercise their free choice of factory or location like you're used to in
the US, no it's all govt. "planned".



China uses slave labor and labor that is grossly underpaid even by the
total absence of any sort of standards.

So because you're a racist this is just you saying the Chinese are
stupid, well guess what............




I've commented before don't be overly worried about China, so long as
they remain socialist we're safe.


Safe from what? You?

Safe from you union types.





WALMART's vision for America is a place where a $9 an hour job, with no
benefits, is a *great* opportunity. They envision a country where obedient
workers volunteer
to work off the clock every week, and where all will shop a the "company
store."


This is protectionist poppycock & you have more brains than to just
parrot it.



It's absolute truth.

Yet another overwrought, right-wing post from Karen Elizabeth Smith of
Australia, who once again proves that she doesn't know scheiss from
shoepolish.

How's that non-existent factory of yours, Karen? Your production line is
up to what, zero diesel outboards a week? Cripes, you even stole someone
else's trademark.

You & your simpleton mate Jack the whack, don't seem to know much.
There are "classes" Harry, if you look there are many many registrations
of the exact same trade marks in most jurisdictions, last time I looked
there were about 18 in the US of mine. You know toys vs marine
engines???? Surely even you can grasp this simple concept????

However the name can only be validly registered once in each "class".
That's why I have the exact same mark registered twice here & only one
there.

I know better than to expect the truth from you of course.

K

Harry has claimed to have a 20 yrs his junior beautiful wife, he even
put a fake pic of a beautiful woman on a website once claiming it was
his "young bride", he may have a wife, although I doubt it, we don't
like nor tolerate misogynists for long.

Needless to say he's made up many "dramatic" over the top stories over
the years about this lie to feed his ego & pretend he's the centre of
attention, but as with his boat claims & other crap, there's never once
been even a shred of independently verifiable material.

After he stalked Madcow in real life, which was most frightening, I do
suspect he's very very dangerous & that this "bride" story is his
delusional appropriation of his, probably court ordered, treating
psychotherapist as "wife" (it seems he was under lock & key for what??
over a year??? a sexual deviant maybe??), have a read of just a small
part of his BS & make up your own mind, it's all about free choice:-)


1. She *is* my bride. There are no rules that determine the end of
"bride-hood." If I want to refer to her as my bride, I may.

2. As a professional writer, I know the rules of language and am entitled to
break them in exercise of my license.

3. I doubt many married women would object to their husbands lovingly
referring to them as brides. The connotations are pleasant.

4. She's 20 years younger than I am.



Naw. What happened was that I handled a couple of "political" consulting
jobs funded out of the DC area to help a few candidates and defeat a
couple of ballot issues. Through no fault of mine, we won each of the
races, so some of the deep pockets types based in the DC area think I
actually *know something* about the process. I was offered a contract
that requires my presence in DC quite frequently. My bride also was
offered a job up here that represented a significant professional career
move. So, we're "up here" much of the time and "down there" the rest of
it, except when we're "somewhere else." I've been back to Jax (well,
really south of Jax) five times since coming "up here" late last summer
and my bride just returned from a business trip there.

I swear this is true.


Here's a funny. My bride had to fly out to San Diego Wednesday and
hitched a ride on her company's corporate jet. They landed in Salina,
Kansas, which is due north of Wichita and Skippy's suburb of Derby.

So when she gets to San Diego, I get a call asking, "What the hell did
you do in Kansas...we didn't fly over one significant patch of
water...?"

Harry, you make over 500 posts a week to this group and you don't own
a boat?
And why are you so crabby?
Maybe these two factors are related?



One has to own something to use it? Hmmm. My bride drives off in her car
every day, but she doesn't own it.

I'm not crabby. You asked for advice I gave you some. I questioned your
wanting to take a very small boat out into high seas and suddenly you
turned sour. It's your pot; you are the one stewing in it.

No, it is the boat of a friend. It is a 24' ProLine center console with,
if I recall, a 225 hp Merc on it. It was a dark and stormy day in
January (1997) when we went out, but the sky cleared once we got out to
the Gulf Stream.


Bride and I caught and released:

1 white marlin
12-15 yellowtail snappers, maybe two pounds each. Pretty, pretty fish.
Assorted red snappers
1 amberjack
2 jack crevalle jacks
1 snook
Nondescript sharks

Did you spend a year as a line psychotherapist at a 650-bed state
hospital for forensic patients?
Did you spend a year as senior psychotherapist at a county facility for
substance abusers?
Did you spend two years as chief of therapy at a private, 200-bed
facility for the mentally and emotionally ill, at which approximately
half the patients were trying to beat drugs or alcohol?
Are you currently chief of therapy for a for a multi-practitioner
practice of some 825 patients, about a third of which are seeking help
for substance abuse problems?


Licensed psychotherapist
Screening as to character and background for each degree earned
On-going screening by faculty while in educational system
Interviews and screenings for required years of internships, plus, at
the same
time, supervision by a licensed professional.
Close professional and personal supervision by a licensed therapist for
two years
of employment before being allowed to apply for licensure
Licensure background check, submission of recommendations by licensed
practitioners
Four hour written examination on state laws
Five hour written examination on diagnosis, procedure and practice

My wife went through this before becoming licensed. Her final internship
was as a
psychotherapist at a 600-bed high security state psychiatric hospital
where, on a
daily basis, she was exposed to more danger than your average soldier.

My wife worked for a year as psychotherapist in a Florida 600-bed state
mental institution for forensic patients. She saw and treated numerous
sexual deviants who do a bit more than expose themselves. Such "treatment"
is part of being in the mental health professions.


You see, I'm a nautical psychotherapist, and for only $125 an hour,
until their health insurance runs out, I help Bayliner owners overcome their
feelings of boatable inadequacy.


She is a licensed, practicing
psychotherapist and often tells me I am the sanest person she sees each
day. Which can be taken any way one likes.


1. I'm married to a psychotherapist. Live-in therapy, dontcha know? And
much of
Freud is passe.

My ex-wife surpassed the anti-Christ at least a decade ago.

They're not actually "free" moments. I go to boat dealers to round-up
Bayliner owners who are trying to find one who will take their own
version of flotsam and jetsam in on trade.


1. The address listed is not a home address. It is an office.

2. I have three phone numbers. The phone number listed is not one of
mine. It has never been one of mine. The phone number *did* belong to an
after-hours message recording hotline my wife maintained for her most
mentally disturbed patients. Some of these troubled souls were
court-ordered referrals. *Every* call to that phone number--every
call--was recorded AND because of the nature of the line, my wife had
the ability to alert the telephone company to trace the phone number of
every incoming call to that line, *even* if the person making the call
tried to block his number.

Why, you might ask? Because when you are dealing with suicidal people,
they'll liable to tell their therapist over the phone that they are
planning to take their life. If the therapist believes the threat is
real, she or he will want to dispatch emergency srvices and perhaps the
police.

In the years my wife has provided this pro bono service, she has never
received a threatening or abusive call from a mentally ill patient or
court-ordered referral. However, after the ranking Flaming Ass of this
newsgroup posted the hotline number in this newsgroup, she received a
number of abusive, foul-mouthed AND life-threatening calls. These were
mostly directed at me but, of course, I never received them BECAUSE
(duh!) the phone is not mine and I've never answered it.
Naturally, my wife alerted the authorities, with whom she works closely
because of her court-referred patients. The authorities are
investigating the callers and have involved both the FBI *and*
authorities in other states, including Florida, Georgia, California and
Texas. Working with the telephone company, the authorities have been
able to trace the origin of virtually every abusive call. And, of
course, they have the tape recordings of the abusive messages. Several
suspects have been identified. I really don't know what the outcome of
all this will be. We haven't had an update in several weeks, nor are
either of us here that interested in the sleazeballs that would make
such calls.


The phone number, of course, is "wired," so when the obnoxious calls came in
from the idiot rec.boaters, the numbers were easy enough to trace. The local
police handled a complaint, the local telco was involved and when it was
discovered the point of origin was out of state, the FBI got involved. At
least one of the idiots was caught and prosecuted. As far as I can tell, he
has not posted here again.

Doug Kanter wrote:

"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
Then somebody else will open another store.

and sell what?

a retailer needs a supplier not already in bed with Walmart

The only suppliers that would be fatally hurt without WM are the ones which
make their private label goods.

As far as being in bed with WM, they treat their suppliers so badly that if
another retailer came along who could move the necessary volume, they'd head
in that direction very quickly. A friend of mine does sales training, and he
was recently speaking to a group of wholesale sporting goods reps. He got a
tip: Don't bother looking for a good selection of Shakespeare rods & reels
at WM in certain markets. The goods are being shuffled to stores like Gander
Mountain Sports, who've insisted that there be "shortages" for Wal Mart.
Prices are very slightly higher at Gander Mountain, but nothing that would
bother the retail customer.

The reasoning my friend was given was very simple: Upscale stores will also
sell St Croix & Browning fishing rods, and that lends an air of quality even
to the cheaper stuff that's two feet away in the display rack. Shakespeare
sells MORE rods, not less. So does Shimano and everyone else.


Sounds like an interesting list could be made of "101 Reasons to Avoid
Wal-Mart."

Health Insurance

High insurance premiums and deductibles keep more than two-thirds of
Wal-Mart workers from participating in the company health plan.

The cost for comprehensive family coverage is about $125 every two weeks.

On a wage of $8.00 an hour with about 32 hours a week--$1,000 a month,
most associates can’t afford $250 a month, or 25% of gross income for
health insurance. Many Wal-Mart families also are eligible for food
stamps or other welfare programs.

Nearly 700,000 Wal-Mart workers are forced to get health insurance
coverage from the government or through spouses’ plans. Wal-Mart shifts
the cost of health insurance to taxpayers and other employers, driving
up the health costs for all of us.

When other companiesget tired of paying the bill for Wal-Mart, they drop
or reduce health care benefits for their employees. There are more than
40 million uninsured working families. The more Wal-Mart grows so do the
number of the uninsured.

The Walton family is worth about $102 billion--less than 1% of that
could provide affordable health care for associates.

Wal-Mart has increased the premium cost for workers by over 200% since
1993--medical care inflation only went up 50% in the same period.
----------------------------------------------------------------
Women at Wal-Mart:


Women make up a very small percentage in the supervisory and managerial
ranks.

-Men hold 90% of top store manager positions and more than two-thirds of
store management positions overall at Wal-Mart.

-Female workers at Wal-Mart make 4.5% to 5.6% less than men doing
similar jobs with similar experience levels.

-Among non-salaried workers, men earned an average of 37 cents an hour
more for similar work.

-Male management trainees make an average of $23,175 a year, compared
with $22,371 for women trainees.

-The average male senior vice president makes $419,435 a year, while the
four women senior vice presidents earn an average of $279,772.

-In 1975, 1.7% of management positions were held by women. In 2001,
about 33% of these positions were held by women — still below industry
norms.

-20 comparable retailers employed a greater average percentage of women
in 1975, 41.6% — than Wal-Mart does today.

-The greatest gaps are in Texas, Florida, and California.

-Women work disproportionally in lower paying hourly jobs and earn less
in these jobs.

-65% of hourly workers are women.

-Women who hold management positions hold the lower ranking positions,
such as Customer Service Manager, Department Manager, and Support Manager.

-As women are promoted through management, the disparity between their
wages and those of their male counterparts increases.

-Women earn less than men, despite having greater average seniority and
higher performance ratings.

-It takes women longer to be promoted: average time since date of hire
until being first promoted in an Assistant Manager job is 4.38 years for
women, 2.86 years for men.





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"Dan Krueger" wrote in message
hlink.net...
If you consider the quality of these employees, you would find them at the
local
Taco Bell or on the street if they didn't work there. We're not talking
about
skilled labor. These are generally kids who only show up for a paycheck.

Dan

Meanwhile, I've been to 2 K-Mart stores over the past month and found the
employees to be what you'd expect to find in a custom shoe store in Italy.
Attentive, clean, smart, helped me get everything I needed quickly. Nothing
like the WM slobs who are not just unable to help find a specific item, but
sometimes can't even tell me where an entire department is. Looks like
K-Mart's looking to burn a competitor or two.

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
Cars are another story. My first two cars were American, and due to
constant
problems, they almost put ME out of work. Once you realize you're being
bent
over like a newcomer in a prison, it's silly to submit to more or the same
treatment.

My Chrysler was made in Mexico, my neighbor's Chrysler was made in Canada.
The two Hondas across the street were made in Ohio. What is an American
car?

Tex

"K Smith" wrote in message
...

Gould 0738 wrote:
Our jobs are going overseas because
our politicians have no interest in fighting corporations from sending
jobs overseas.


Our jobs are going overseas faster than they would have partially
because
WALMART is so super aggressive in their buying.

It's directly on behalf of you the consumer, you don't "have" to buy
any particular thing; however they do "allow" you the choice. I know in
a socialist dream system free choice is to be crushed at every
opportunity, but you haven't got that far yet & hopefully never
will.........

Oh no. Who opened the crypt and let the mummy out again? :-)

K Smith wrote:

Harry Krause wrote:
K Smith wrote:

Gould 0738 wrote:

Our jobs are going overseas because
our politicians have no interest in fighting corporations from sending
jobs overseas.




Our jobs are going overseas faster than they would have partially because
WALMART is so super aggressive in their buying.

It's directly on behalf of you the consumer, you don't "have" to buy
any particular thing; however they do "allow" you the choice. I know in
a socialist dream system free choice is to be crushed at every
opportunity, but you haven't got that far yet & hopefully never
will.........

When they want to carry

toasters, for example, they invite all the major manufacturers of toasters down
to Arkansas and pit them against one another. During the last cost cutting
cycle, everybody who wanted to sell anyhing to WALMART *had* to go to China for
labor or lose out.

It's referred to as "competition" Chuckster & I know you like to tag it
so it's only competition when it's "competition" on your terms i.e. you
win, but sorry competition is competition.



It's actually the fight for the bottom.

You *really* are a corporate whore, Karen.

Now there's the usual Harry abuse.




China is not a "cheap" place to produce as such after all they're
communists like Harry:-) Small timers can't just swan into China &
exercise their free choice of factory or location like you're used to in
the US, no it's all govt. "planned".



China uses slave labor and labor that is grossly underpaid even by the
total absence of any sort of standards.

So because you're a racist this is just you saying the Chinese are
stupid, well guess what............

Stupid? Where did I say the Chinese were stupid?





I've commented before don't be overly worried about China, so long as
they remain socialist we're safe.


Safe from what? You?

Safe from you union types.


Free trade unions eventually will improve the plight of workers in the PRC.





How's that non-existent factory of yours, Karen? Your production line is
up to what, zero diesel outboards a week? Cripes, you even stole someone
else's trademark.

You & your simpleton mate Jack the whack, don't seem to know much.
There are "classes" Harry, if you look there are many many registrations
of the exact same trade marks in most jurisdictions, last time I looked
there were about 18 in the US of mine. You know toys vs marine
engines???? Surely even you can grasp this simple concept????


How many diesel outboards did your non-existent factory produce this
year, Karen? The only thing you produce is the crap you post in this
newsgroup.



Harry has claimed to have a 20 yrs his junior beautiful wife, he even
put a fake pic of a beautiful woman on a website once claiming it was
his "young bride", he may have a wife, although I doubt it, we don't
like nor tolerate misogynists for long.

I was born in 1944. My wife was born in 1962. Do the math, crap for
brains. And I agree, she is quite lovely. And for sure bathes more often
than you do.





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Doug Kanter wrote:

"K Smith" wrote in message
...

Gould 0738 wrote:
Our jobs are going overseas because
our politicians have no interest in fighting corporations from sending
jobs overseas.


Our jobs are going overseas faster than they would have partially
because
WALMART is so super aggressive in their buying.

It's directly on behalf of you the consumer, you don't "have" to buy
any particular thing; however they do "allow" you the choice. I know in
a socialist dream system free choice is to be crushed at every
opportunity, but you haven't got that far yet & hopefully never
will.........

Oh no. Who opened the crypt and let the mummy out again? :-)


I'll be she was awakened by a kiss from Wally.






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"Tex Houston" wrote in message
...

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
Cars are another story. My first two cars were American, and due to
constant
problems, they almost put ME out of work. Once you realize you're being
bent
over like a newcomer in a prison, it's silly to submit to more or the
same
treatment.

My Chrysler was made in Mexico, my neighbor's Chrysler was made in Canada.
The two Hondas across the street were made in Ohio. What is an American
car?

Tex


At this point (since Japanese cars are rarely made there any more), it seems
to be a question of design and tolerances, and that apparently makes all the
difference in the world. You don't say which Chrysler you have, but chances
are good that it'll be burning oil by its second year. All Chrysler vans do
that, without exception, and relatively new Neons also smell pretty nasty
when you're driving behind one. A Toyota won't do that until 200k miles
unless you abuse the bejezus out of it. I had a 1982 Tercel that reached
180k miles. On the day someone smashed into it at 70mph and killed it, I
cleaned my stuff out of the trunk before it was towed and found I had the
same unopened bottle of oil I'd placed there on the day I bought it. The car
ran clean as a whistle at that age, with compression better than spec across
all 4 cylinders.

An engineer could explain why the American designers can't seem to do this.

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...


Oh no. Who opened the crypt and let the mummy out again? :-)


I'll be she was awakened by a kiss from Wally.


ROFL!!!! Oxygen....quick! :-)