On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 09:20:19 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


I am the same way. When I was working I showered every morning and
sometimes again in the evening. Now that I am retired I'll shower in
the evening if I've been physically active with some project during the
day. Otherwise, I am on a every other morning shower routine. Nobody
has complained that I stink. :-)


I have always been a shower a day guy (before I go to bed) and if I am
working outside I shower out there, maybe several times a day. (no
soap tho)
It is mostly just to keep the dirt out of the pool. I am in the pool a
lot and Deuce is in there several times a day too. When we had the AC
off, he just stayed wet because he could just walk out there and jump
in. He seems ****ed that we have the doors closed now.

On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 23:27:40 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 20:51:02 -0400, wrote:

The generator burns 1-1/2 to 2-1/2 "gallons" of propane an hour,
depending on the load. We do keep the load as low as possible, though,

Yikes. I was complaining about 0.8 GPH. If you are happy burning 36
gallons a day and up, I will STFU. What do you pay for propane? It
seems to be $2-4 a gallon here depending on some mysterious formula.
A 250 gallon tank (really 200) is only going to last 5 days at the low
end of usage and you could burn it in 3 days if you actually used that
17KVA
Yikes!
So much for the whole house generator for me. Mine did run my whole
house minus the AC, dryer and water heater and I have a plan for the
water heater. With a pool, the AC is not important during the day and
at night my generator runs the mini split in the bedroom just fine.

===

Water cooled diesel is the best way to go if you can handle the
initial cost - much quieter, much more fuel efficient. Of course it's
even better if it comes with a boat wrapped around it. :-)

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:)

Does it have to be a *real* boat, or will an imaginary one do the job?

On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 09:56:10 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 9/20/17 9:20 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 9/20/2017 9:07 AM, John H wrote:
On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 08:17:20 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 9/20/2017 8:13 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 9/20/2017 7:45 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
justan wrote:
Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 9/19/2017 9:07 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/19/17 8:51 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 07:45:26 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

The generator burns 1-1/2 to 2-1/2 "gallons" of propane an
hour,
depending on the load. We do keep the load as low as
possible, though,

Yikes. I was complaining about 0.8 GPH. If you are happy
burning 36
gallons a day and up, I will STFU. What do you pay for
propane? It
seems to be $2-4 a gallon here depending on some mysterious
formula.
A 250 gallon tank (really 200) is only going to last 5 days
at the low
end of usage and you could burn it in 3 days if you actually
used that
17KVA
Yikes!
So much for the whole house generator for me. Mine did run my
wholeprofessional
house minus the AC, dryer and water heater and I have a plan
for the
water heater. With a pool, the AC is not important during the
day and w
at night my generator runs the mini split in the bedroom just
fine.


The last time I looked, some months ago, it was about $2.59 a
gallon.
Our "outages" usually last only a few hours, sometimes
overnight, and
of personal comfort
typically we only get one every few months. We
got the generator after a
big outage that lasted a week. Our yippy-dippy local
electrical co-op
seems to have gotten better over the years. Or the storms have
gotten
smaller. If we had a four day outage, it would cost about $250
in fuel,
less than we'd spend on a decent local motel, assuming we
could find one
that had power.


You'd move into a motel because of a four day power outage if
you didn't
have your generator?

Why?


For starters, my wife wears suits and other professional outfits
to work
and when she sees patients, and, like me likes to bathe at least
once a
day. Then there is the matter of having water to flush the
toilet. Then
there is the matter when it is too hot outside. And so forth.

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Wuss.

I’m sure with the bozos you encounter in your daily rounds, it
doesn’t
matter if you stink.



You and your wife stink if you miss a daily bath?** Gross.




We were discussing a four day outage, remember?* Duh.



You're a progressive liberal who believes in science, correct?
Here's some science for you:

http://www.businessinsider.com/how-often-should-you-shower-science-2017-1


Funny. My dermatologist, the first time I saw him a few years back,
asked how often I showered.
"Almost every day," I said. He said cut back to about every three
days. All that showering was bad
for the skin. Works for me, unless I've been walking a golf course
that day.



I am the same way.* When I was working I showered every morning and
sometimes again in the evening.* Now that I am retired I'll shower in
the evening if I've been physically active with some project during the
day.* Otherwise, I am on a every other morning shower routine. Nobody
has complained that I stink.* :-)



I got in the habit of showering twice a day years ago, though once in a
while I'll skip an early morning shower, especially when I am not seeing
a client or friends. It's just habit. Our cats do seem to prefer
sniffing my feet when I skip the morning douse.

I'm thinking you could go a couple weeks without showering and not stink.

On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 10:56:07 -0400, wrote:

I did notice some of my equipment here was not really running
quite right. The UPS units were alarming occasionally, one fridge
froze up and my garage door opener was flakey. It needed help opening
the door (even plugged directly into the generator on a 12 ga
extension cord).

===

Have you tried scoping the waveform? There might be a surprise hidden
in there which could explain what you're seeing.

I always lusted after those portable Tektronix units that you CEs used
to lug around.

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On 9/20/2017 11:37 AM, John H wrote:
On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 09:56:10 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 9/20/17 9:20 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 9/20/2017 9:07 AM, John H wrote:
On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 08:17:20 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 9/20/2017 8:13 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 9/20/2017 7:45 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
justan wrote:
Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 9/19/2017 9:07 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/19/17 8:51 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 07:45:26 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

The generator burns 1-1/2 to 2-1/2 "gallons" of propane an
hour,
depending on the load. We do keep the load as low as
possible, though,

Yikes. I was complaining about 0.8 GPH. If you are happy
burning 36
gallons a day and up, I will STFU. What do you pay for
propane? It
seems to be $2-4 a gallon here depending on some mysterious
formula.
A 250 gallon tank (really 200) is only going to last 5 days
at the low
end of usage and you could burn it in 3 days if you actually
used that
17KVA
Yikes!
So much for the whole house generator for me. Mine did run my
wholeprofessional
house minus the AC, dryer and water heater and I have a plan
for the
water heater. With a pool, the AC is not important during the
day and w
at night my generator runs the mini split in the bedroom just
fine.


The last time I looked, some months ago, it was about $2.59 a
gallon.
Our "outages" usually last only a few hours, sometimes
overnight, and
of personal comfort
typically we only get one every few months. We
got the generator after a
big outage that lasted a week. Our yippy-dippy local
electrical co-op
seems to have gotten better over the years. Or the storms have
gotten
smaller. If we had a four day outage, it would cost about $250
in fuel,
less than we'd spend on a decent local motel, assuming we
could find one
that had power.


You'd move into a motel because of a four day power outage if
you didn't
have your generator?

Why?


For starters, my wife wears suits and other professional outfits
to work
and when she sees patients, and, like me likes to bathe at least
once a
day. Then there is the matter of having water to flush the
toilet. Then
there is the matter when it is too hot outside. And so forth.

--
Posted with my iPad Pro


Wuss.

I’m sure with the bozos you encounter in your daily rounds, it
doesn’t
matter if you stink.



You and your wife stink if you miss a daily bath?Â*Â* Gross.




We were discussing a four day outage, remember?Â* Duh.



You're a progressive liberal who believes in science, correct?
Here's some science for you:

http://www.businessinsider.com/how-often-should-you-shower-science-2017-1


Funny. My dermatologist, the first time I saw him a few years back,
asked how often I showered.
"Almost every day," I said. He said cut back to about every three
days. All that showering was bad
for the skin. Works for me, unless I've been walking a golf course
that day.



I am the same way.Â* When I was working I showered every morning and
sometimes again in the evening.Â* Now that I am retired I'll shower in
the evening if I've been physically active with some project during the
day.Â* Otherwise, I am on a every other morning shower routine. Nobody
has complained that I stink.Â* :-)



I got in the habit of showering twice a day years ago, though once in a
while I'll skip an early morning shower, especially when I am not seeing
a client or friends. It's just habit. Our cats do seem to prefer
sniffing my feet when I skip the morning douse.

I'm thinking you could go a couple weeks without showering and not stink.



I think that's pushing it. Done that when underway on a ship. When we
returned to port we were all a little ripe.

On 9/20/2017 11:55 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 10:56:07 -0400, wrote:

I did notice some of my equipment here was not really running
quite right. The UPS units were alarming occasionally, one fridge
froze up and my garage door opener was flakey. It needed help opening
the door (even plugged directly into the generator on a 12 ga
extension cord).

===

Have you tried scoping the waveform? There might be a surprise hidden
in there which could explain what you're seeing.

I always lusted after those portable Tektronix units that you CEs used
to lug around.



I bought one of those (or similar) on eBay when I had the guitar shop
and occasionally worked on guitar amps. It still worked great although
it probably was out of calibration. Dual probes too. I lent it to a
guy who was doing some troubleshooting and that's the last I ever saw of
it. Can't even locate him anymore.

On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 11:22:53 -0400, John H
wrote:

On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 23:27:40 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 20:51:02 -0400, wrote:

The generator burns 1-1/2 to 2-1/2 "gallons" of propane an hour,
depending on the load. We do keep the load as low as possible, though,

Yikes. I was complaining about 0.8 GPH. If you are happy burning 36
gallons a day and up, I will STFU. What do you pay for propane? It
seems to be $2-4 a gallon here depending on some mysterious formula.
A 250 gallon tank (really 200) is only going to last 5 days at the low
end of usage and you could burn it in 3 days if you actually used that
17KVA
Yikes!
So much for the whole house generator for me. Mine did run my whole
house minus the AC, dryer and water heater and I have a plan for the
water heater. With a pool, the AC is not important during the day and
at night my generator runs the mini split in the bedroom just fine.

===

Water cooled diesel is the best way to go if you can handle the
initial cost - much quieter, much more fuel efficient. Of course it's
even better if it comes with a boat wrapped around it. :-)

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This email has been checked for viruses by AVG.
http://www.avg.com

:)

Does it have to be a *real* boat, or will an imaginary one do the job?

===

Only a real boat will do unless you're willing to settle for imaginary
results. Real boats will really increase the cost and maintenance of
course, but you get the fringe benefit of being able to work certain
people into a lather, at least if the real boat is big enough, holds
enough fuel, etc.

On 9/20/2017 11:08 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 08:17:20 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 9/20/2017 8:13 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 9/20/2017 7:45 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
justan wrote:
Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 9/19/2017 9:07 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/19/17 8:51 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 07:45:26 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

The generator burns 1-1/2 to 2-1/2 "gallons" of propane an hour,
depending on the load. We do keep the load as low as possible, though,

Yikes. I was complaining about 0.8 GPH. If you are happy burning 36
gallons a day and up, I will STFU. What do you pay for propane? It
seems to be $2-4 a gallon here depending on some mysterious formula.
A 250 gallon tank (really 200) is only going to last 5 days at the low
end of usage and you could burn it in 3 days if you actually used that
17KVA
Yikes!
So much for the whole house generator for me. Mine did run my wholeprofessional
house minus the AC, dryer and water heater and I have a plan for the
water heater. With a pool, the AC is not important during the day and w
at night my generator runs the mini split in the bedroom just fine.


The last time I looked, some months ago, it was about $2.59 a gallon.
Our "outages" usually last only a few hours, sometimes overnight, and
of personal comfort
typically we only get one every few months. We
got the generator after a
big outage that lasted a week. Our yippy-dippy local electrical co-op
seems to have gotten better over the years. Or the storms have gotten
smaller. If we had a four day outage, it would cost about $250 in fuel,
less than we'd spend on a decent local motel, assuming we could find one
that had power.


You'd move into a motel because of a four day power outage if you didn't
have your generator?

Why?


For starters, my wife wears suits and other professional outfits to work
and when she sees patients, and, like me likes to bathe at least once a
day. Then there is the matter of having water to flush the toilet. Then
there is the matter when it is too hot outside. And so forth.

--
Posted with my iPad Pro


Wuss.

I’m sure with the bozos you encounter in your daily rounds, it doesn’t
matter if you stink.



You and your wife stink if you miss a daily bath? Gross.




We were discussing a four day outage, remember? Duh.



You're a progressive liberal who believes in science, correct?
Here's some science for you:

http://www.businessinsider.com/how-often-should-you-shower-science-2017-1

The first thing I addressed was cleaning up the pool. That goes a long
way towards keeping cool and not developing that 3d world smell.
Flushing toilets is the easy one. Just dump a bucket of water in it.
OTOH if you have a lift pump, it might just come up in your bath tub.
My septic is gravity operated. When they told me all new systems might
have to be mound systems I just fixed the one I had ... off the books.
Tiki bar builders know how to do that sort of thing ;-)



Florida ... or at least some sections of it ... does not seem to have a
big problem with septic systems which surprised me because of the water
table. When we bought the first house in Jupiter I asked if the septic
system had been routinely pumped or if any inspections were required.
The realtor looked at me like I had two heads.

Up here it's recommended you have your system pumped once a year ...
every two years max. We also have a mandatory inspection called "Title
V" that the homeowner is responsible to have done when selling the
property. The inspection is basically to ensure the tank, "D" box and
leeching field is working properly. Some of the older homes fail and
it can prevent a sale. The state also banned mound systems a few years
ago. So, if your system fails the inspection, you can plan on a $30k to
$50k expenditure.

Its nice to have a 28k Katolite 110/220 single phase gen that drives from a tractor PTO. I don't have a tractor big enough to pull it but my next door neighbor does. His 4440 John Deere is also set with a hi/low PTO. You set it in high range and then you can idle the engine down for fuel savings.

Right before bad weather hits, it's dug out, hooked up to make sure it works correctly, then stored it till its needed. Both our houses are set for external power. Fortunately we haven't needed it...yet.

This isn't my pic but one like it...

http://www.wclittleton.com/katolite0801.jpg

On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 11:55:52 -0400,
wrote:

On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 10:56:07 -0400, wrote:

I did notice some of my equipment here was not really running
quite right. The UPS units were alarming occasionally, one fridge
froze up and my garage door opener was flakey. It needed help opening
the door (even plugged directly into the generator on a 12 ga
extension cord).

===

Have you tried scoping the waveform? There might be a surprise hidden
in there which could explain what you're seeing.




Good idea. I also want to scope the outputs of my UPS units as part of
another conversation I am having on another group.
I guess I will have "science day" when things calm down.

I always lusted after those portable Tektronix units that you CEs used
to lug around.

How deep is your lust? (now I have the BeeGee's song stuck in my head)
I have a spare 453 in the shop. Is it worth driving to Estero for you?
I will use that one to check the genset to be sure it is working.