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Looks like Jose isn't very happy now,,,
On 9/19/2017 7:45 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/19/17 3:06 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 9/19/2017 12:45 AM, wrote: On Mon, 18 Sep 2017 20:36:47 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 9/18/2017 7:54 PM, Alex wrote: Mr. Luddite wrote: On 9/18/2017 1:56 AM, wrote: On Sat, 16 Sep 2017 11:50:01 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 9/16/2017 11:36 AM, Tim wrote: http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/15/us/hur...ast/index.html Kinda seems like the east coast could be threatened... CNN? Fake news.Â*Â* Gonna be sunny and warm.Â* Beach weather.Â* :-) I think by the time it gets to us it will be just a strong nor'easter. Rather have it now than in February. I hope the models are better for you than they were for us. 3 days out, Irma was a Miami storm. It came in over Marco, 100+ miles west. I have been off the air so I have not been looking at the plots and the news is pretty superficial if it is not coming here. They just tell us "relax". Good to hear you survived and didn't have too much damage.Â* Living without power for over a week is a bitch though and those contractor type generators definitely burn a lot of gas.Â* I had a 12.5Kw set up during Wilma but quickly realized my supply of gas (5 or 6, 5 gal jugs) wasn't going to last long if I ran it all the time.Â* I used the little Honda most of the time, just for the refer, a couple of lights and the Direct TV box and TV. We are currently in a Tropical Storm Watch for Jose.Â* It appears it will track well south of us but will expand, spreading some rain and wind tomorrow and Wednesday.Â* No big deal around here.Â* I am watching the other one, "Maria".Â* Still way to early to predict but the Euro model has it tracking right up the coast and hitting Cape Cod. I did the same.Â* The 2Kw handled the refrigerator, freezer, and a small window AC unit I keep on hand.Â* The 6.5Kw sucked gas at 3X the rate with little benefit. Yeah, I ran one refrigerator, a couple of lights, the Direct TV receiver and large flat panel TV.Â* I put it on the "idle" mode and it would run from 9pm until about 7am on one tank of gas (a little over a gallon). I'd fill it up in the morning and it ran all day until evening on one tank.Â* If I wanted coffee or something, I'd unplug the refer temporarily, make a pot of coffee, then switch back to the refer.Â* The only time the little Honda would automatically rev up for a couple of seconds was when the compressor in the refer turned on or the coffee maker was heating.Â* After that it went back to idle mode. My problem is pumps The pool is 1hp, the well is 3/4 hp and the house pump is 3/4hp. I can determine when the pool starts but the well is at the mercy of the pressure switches. I know all 3 plus 2 reefers in locked rotor will trip the genny every time. I know if something like this ever happens again I want better load management. To start with I have to separate the fridges. They are on the same phase now. That is just moving the breaker. We seemed to have enough switch discipline that I had no problem leaving all of the general lighting breakers on. Walking around turning on lights was just like normal, just do what your momma told you and turn the light off if you are not using it. Other than the compressor surge when it starts a refer doesn't draw much current once the compressor is running.Â* Even a large refrigerator draws less than two amps, once the compressor starts.Â* I ran two of them on the little Honda a couple of years ago, along with a couple of lights and a TV.Â* It would rev up over idle when either of the refrigerator compressors started but then drop back.Â* Never tripped the breaker on the Honda.Â* The e2000 is capable of about 16 amps max but it will generate up to 6 amps running on the "eco mode" (idle). In Florida the well pump was a problem.Â* First, it was 220v, so trying to run it off the little Honda was not possible (it only produces 120v). During the week without power after Wilma, I'd fire up the 12.5kw generator for about an hour in the morning to heat the water in the hot water tank and run the well pump so I could take a shower.Â* I'd then shut it off and use the little Honda as described before.Â* That 12.5 generator burned almost a gallon an hour under load as I recall, the local gas stations had no power, so I had to conserve the gas I had. The larger propane generators work fine as backups, but unless you go hog wild ($$$) with sizing, you still can't run everything in a modern medium to large house. We have a 17KW unit, and we can run at the same time the well pump, a 5-1/2 ton heat pump compressor on AC (it produces heat off of propane if there is a power outage), a sewage ejector pump that serves the basement, a hot water heater, refrigerator, dishwasher, microwave, disposal and lights in the lowest level, some outlet circuits in that level, the refrigerator on the main level, the washing machine on the main level but not the electric dryer, the garage door opener, a microwave, and lights and outlets on the main and upper levels. The heat pump that serves the third level is not included, but that level stays warm in the winter because of heat rising from the level under it, the main floor of the house. If it gets too hot in the summer, there are plenty of places to hang out and sleep on the levels that get AC from the heat pump operating off the generator. The gas cooktop has electric igniters, but it isn't on the generator because we can light it with a match. The electric ovens aren't on generators, either. I think but I don't recall if the electric igniters for the gas fireplaces are on circuits that can be powered by the generator. I think I mentioned this, but our propane supplier works to fill the tanks of its customers starting a week ahead of time if a big storm is brewing. We've never come close to running the tank dry. The generator burns 1-1/2 to 2-1/2 "gallons" of propane an hour, depending on the load. We do keep the load as low as possible, though, when the generator runs. Sounds like a nice setup but I could never justify a "whole house" generator up here in the north because the number of times we've been without power for more than an hour or so in the past 17 years was once, after a heavy snowstorm and that outage only lasted for 3 days. Power was restored the afternoon of the third day. In 17 years I'd burn more fuel ... propane, diesel or gas ... during the weekly 10 minute exercise runs than what I'd burn due to a power outage. It's a little inconvenient but the little Honda has served us well over the years .. in fact I only had to use it once after that snowstorm to power anything in the house. By the third day it was starting to get a bit chilly in the house, so I wired the Honda to the oil burner circuit for a while to heat the house. Later that day commercial power was restored. I've mentioned this before but we considered installing a whole house generator when we had the backyard torn up during the pool installation and ran the underground power lines for a generator in case we ever wanted one. I ended up rewiring those lines for use as a 240v, 50 amp RV outlet for use by traveling gypsies. |
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#13
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Looks like Jose isn't very happy now,,,
On Tuesday, 19 September 2017 09:07:46 UTC-3, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 9/19/2017 7:45 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 9/19/17 3:06 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 9/19/2017 12:45 AM, wrote: On Mon, 18 Sep 2017 20:36:47 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 9/18/2017 7:54 PM, Alex wrote: Mr. Luddite wrote: On 9/18/2017 1:56 AM, wrote: On Sat, 16 Sep 2017 11:50:01 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 9/16/2017 11:36 AM, Tim wrote: http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/15/us/hur...ast/index.html Kinda seems like the east coast could be threatened... CNN? Fake news.Â*Â* Gonna be sunny and warm.Â* Beach weather.Â* :-) I think by the time it gets to us it will be just a strong nor'easter. Rather have it now than in February. I hope the models are better for you than they were for us. 3 days out, Irma was a Miami storm. It came in over Marco, 100+ miles west. I have been off the air so I have not been looking at the plots and the news is pretty superficial if it is not coming here. They just tell us "relax". Good to hear you survived and didn't have too much damage.Â* Living without power for over a week is a bitch though and those contractor type generators definitely burn a lot of gas.Â* I had a 12.5Kw set up during Wilma but quickly realized my supply of gas (5 or 6, 5 gal jugs) wasn't going to last long if I ran it all the time.Â* I used the little Honda most of the time, just for the refer, a couple of lights and the Direct TV box and TV. We are currently in a Tropical Storm Watch for Jose.Â* It appears it will track well south of us but will expand, spreading some rain and wind tomorrow and Wednesday.Â* No big deal around here.Â* I am watching the other one, "Maria".Â* Still way to early to predict but the Euro model has it tracking right up the coast and hitting Cape Cod. I did the same.Â* The 2Kw handled the refrigerator, freezer, and a small window AC unit I keep on hand.Â* The 6.5Kw sucked gas at 3X the rate with little benefit. Yeah, I ran one refrigerator, a couple of lights, the Direct TV receiver and large flat panel TV.Â* I put it on the "idle" mode and it would run from 9pm until about 7am on one tank of gas (a little over a gallon). I'd fill it up in the morning and it ran all day until evening on one tank.Â* If I wanted coffee or something, I'd unplug the refer temporarily, make a pot of coffee, then switch back to the refer.Â* The only time the little Honda would automatically rev up for a couple of seconds was when the compressor in the refer turned on or the coffee maker was heating.Â* After that it went back to idle mode. My problem is pumps The pool is 1hp, the well is 3/4 hp and the house pump is 3/4hp. I can determine when the pool starts but the well is at the mercy of the pressure switches. I know all 3 plus 2 reefers in locked rotor will trip the genny every time. I know if something like this ever happens again I want better load management. To start with I have to separate the fridges. They are on the same phase now. That is just moving the breaker. We seemed to have enough switch discipline that I had no problem leaving all of the general lighting breakers on. Walking around turning on lights was just like normal, just do what your momma told you and turn the light off if you are not using it. Other than the compressor surge when it starts a refer doesn't draw much current once the compressor is running.Â* Even a large refrigerator draws less than two amps, once the compressor starts.Â* I ran two of them on the little Honda a couple of years ago, along with a couple of lights and a TV.Â* It would rev up over idle when either of the refrigerator compressors started but then drop back.Â* Never tripped the breaker on the Honda.Â* The e2000 is capable of about 16 amps max but it will generate up to 6 amps running on the "eco mode" (idle). In Florida the well pump was a problem.Â* First, it was 220v, so trying to run it off the little Honda was not possible (it only produces 120v). During the week without power after Wilma, I'd fire up the 12.5kw generator for about an hour in the morning to heat the water in the hot water tank and run the well pump so I could take a shower.Â* I'd then shut it off and use the little Honda as described before.Â* That 12.5 generator burned almost a gallon an hour under load as I recall, the local gas stations had no power, so I had to conserve the gas I had. The larger propane generators work fine as backups, but unless you go hog wild ($$$) with sizing, you still can't run everything in a modern medium to large house. We have a 17KW unit, and we can run at the same time the well pump, a 5-1/2 ton heat pump compressor on AC (it produces heat off of propane if there is a power outage), a sewage ejector pump that serves the basement, a hot water heater, refrigerator, dishwasher, microwave, disposal and lights in the lowest level, some outlet circuits in that level, the refrigerator on the main level, the washing machine on the main level but not the electric dryer, the garage door opener, a microwave, and lights and outlets on the main and upper levels. The heat pump that serves the third level is not included, but that level stays warm in the winter because of heat rising from the level under it, the main floor of the house. If it gets too hot in the summer, there are plenty of places to hang out and sleep on the levels that get AC from the heat pump operating off the generator. The gas cooktop has electric igniters, but it isn't on the generator because we can light it with a match. The electric ovens aren't on generators, either. I think but I don't recall if the electric igniters for the gas fireplaces are on circuits that can be powered by the generator. I think I mentioned this, but our propane supplier works to fill the tanks of its customers starting a week ahead of time if a big storm is brewing. We've never come close to running the tank dry. The generator burns 1-1/2 to 2-1/2 "gallons" of propane an hour, depending on the load. We do keep the load as low as possible, though, when the generator runs. Sounds like a nice setup but I could never justify a "whole house" generator up here in the north because the number of times we've been without power for more than an hour or so in the past 17 years was once, after a heavy snowstorm and that outage only lasted for 3 days. Power was restored the afternoon of the third day. In 17 years I'd burn more fuel ... propane, diesel or gas ... during the weekly 10 minute exercise runs than what I'd burn due to a power outage. It's a little inconvenient but the little Honda has served us well over the years .. in fact I only had to use it once after that snowstorm to power anything in the house. By the third day it was starting to get a bit chilly in the house, so I wired the Honda to the oil burner circuit for a while to heat the house. Later that day commercial power was restored. I've mentioned this before but we considered installing a whole house generator when we had the backyard torn up during the pool installation and ran the underground power lines for a generator in case we ever wanted one. I ended up rewiring those lines for use as a 240v, 50 amp RV outlet for use by traveling gypsies. "traveling gypsies"...??? I can just imagine your Florida buddy showing up like that Cousin Eddy in the Chevy Chase movie and dumping his holding tanks down your storm drains. |
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#14
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Looks like Jose isn't very happy now,,,
True North Wrote in message:
On Tuesday, 19 September 2017 09:07:46 UTC-3, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 9/19/2017 7:45 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 9/19/17 3:06 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 9/19/2017 12:45 AM, wrote: On Mon, 18 Sep 2017 20:36:47 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 9/18/2017 7:54 PM, Alex wrote: Mr. Luddite wrote: On 9/18/2017 1:56 AM, wrote: On Sat, 16 Sep 2017 11:50:01 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 9/16/2017 11:36 AM, Tim wrote: http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/15/us/hur...ast/index.html Kinda seems like the east coast could be threatened... CNN? Fake news. Gonna be sunny and warm. Beach weather. :-) I think by the time it gets to us it will be just a strong nor'easter. Rather have it now than in February. I hope the models are better for you than they were for us. 3 days out, Irma was a Miami storm. It came in over Marco, 100+ miles west. I have been off the air so I have not been looking at the plots and the news is pretty superficial if it is not coming here. They just tell us "relax". Good to hear you survived and didn't have too much damage. Living without power for over a week is a bitch though and those contractor type generators definitely burn a lot of gas. I had a 12.5Kw set up during Wilma but quickly realized my supply of gas (5 or 6, 5 gal jugs) wasn't going to last long if I ran it all the time. I used the little Honda most of the time, just for the refer, a couple of lights and the Direct TV box and TV. We are currently in a Tropical Storm Watch for Jose. It appears it will track well south of us but will expand, spreading some rain and wind tomorrow and Wednesday. No big deal around here. I am watching the other one, "Maria". Still way to early to predict but the Euro model has it tracking right up the coast and hitting Cape Cod. I did the same. The 2Kw handled the refrigerator, freezer, and a small window AC unit I keep on hand. The 6.5Kw sucked gas at 3X the rate with little benefit. Yeah, I ran one refrigerator, a couple of lights, the Direct TV receiver and large flat panel TV. I put it on the "idle" mode and it would run from 9pm until about 7am on one tank of gas (a little over a gallon). I'd fill it up in the morning and it ran all day until evening on one tank. If I wanted coffee or something, I'd unplug the refer temporarily, make a pot of coffee, then switch back to the refer. The only time the little Honda would automatically rev up for a couple of seconds was when the compressor in the refer turned on or the coffee maker was heating. After that it went back to idle mode. My problem is pumps The pool is 1hp, the well is 3/4 hp and the house pump is 3/4hp. I can determine when the pool starts but the well is at the mercy of the pressure switches. I know all 3 plus 2 reefers in locked rotor will trip the genny every time. I know if something like this ever happens again I want better load management. To start with I have to separate the fridges. They are on the same phase now. That is just moving the breaker. We seemed to have enough switch discipline that I had no problem leaving all of the general lighting breakers on. Walking around turning on lights was just like normal, just do what your momma told you and turn the light off if you are not using it. Other than the compressor surge when it starts a refer doesn't draw much current once the compressor is running. Even a large refrigerator draws less than two amps, once the compressor starts. I ran two of them on the little Honda a couple of years ago, along with a couple of lights and a TV. It would rev up over idle when either of the refrigerator compressors started but then drop back. Never tripped the breaker on the Honda. The e2000 is capable of about 16 amps max but it will generate up to 6 amps running on the "eco mode" (idle). In Florida the well pump was a problem. First, it was 220v, so trying to run it off the little Honda was not possible (it only produces 120v). During the week without power after Wilma, I'd fire up the 12.5kw generator for about an hour in the morning to heat the water in the hot water tank and run the well pump so I could take a shower. I'd then shut it off and use the little Honda as described before. That 12.5 generator burned almost a gallon an hour under load as I recall, the local gas stations had no power, so I had to conserve the gas I had. The larger propane generators work fine as backups, but unless you go hog wild ($$$) with sizing, you still can't run everything in a modern medium to large house. We have a 17KW unit, and we can run at the same time the well pump, a 5-1/2 ton heat pump compressor on AC (it produces heat off of propane if there is a power outage), a sewage ejector pump that serves the basement, a hot water heater, refrigerator, dishwasher, microwave, disposal and lights in the lowest level, some outlet circuits in that level, the refrigerator on the main level, the washing machine on the main level but not the electric dryer, the garage door opener, a microwave, and lights and outlets on the main and upper levels. The heat pump that serves the third level is not included, but that level stays warm in the winter because of heat rising from the level under it, the main floor of the house. If it gets too hot in the summer, there are plenty of places to hang out and sleep on the levels that get AC from the heat pump operating off the generator. The gas cooktop has electric igniters, but it isn't on the generator because we can light it with a match. The electric ovens aren't on generators, either. I think but I don't recall if the electric igniters for the gas fireplaces are on circuits that can be powered by the generator. I think I mentioned this, but our propane supplier works to fill the tanks of its customers starting a week ahead of time if a big storm is brewing. We've never come close to running the tank dry. The generator burns 1-1/2 to 2-1/2 "gallons" of propane an hour, depending on the load. We do keep the load as low as possible, though, when the generator runs. Sounds like a nice setup but I could never justify a "whole house" generator up here in the north because the number of times we've been without power for more than an hour or so in the past 17 years was once, after a heavy snowstorm and that outage only lasted for 3 days. Power was restored the afternoon of the third day. In 17 years I'd burn more fuel ... propane, diesel or gas ... during the weekly 10 minute exercise runs than what I'd burn due to a power outage. It's a little inconvenient but the little Honda has served us well over the years .. in fact I only had to use it once after that snowstorm to power anything in the house. By the third day it was starting to get a bit chilly in the house, so I wired the Honda to the oil burner circuit for a while to heat the house. Later that day commercial power was restored. I've mentioned this before but we considered installing a whole house generator when we had the backyard torn up during the pool installation and ran the underground power lines for a generator in case we ever wanted one. I ended up rewiring those lines for use as a 240v, 50 amp RV outlet for use by traveling gypsies. "traveling gypsies"...??? I can just imagine your Florida buddy showing up like that Cousin Eddy in the Chevy Chase movie and dumping his holding tanks down your storm drains. He didn't have storm drainsother than the dry babbleing brook that ran through the property. You'd think you were in heaven if he allowed you to camp out in his stables. -- x ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/ |
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#15
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Looks like Jose isn't very happy now,,,
On Tuesday, 19 September 2017 11:17:57 UTC-3, justan wrote:
True North Wrote in message: On Tuesday, 19 September 2017 09:07:46 UTC-3, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 9/19/2017 7:45 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 9/19/17 3:06 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 9/19/2017 12:45 AM, wrote: On Mon, 18 Sep 2017 20:36:47 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 9/18/2017 7:54 PM, Alex wrote: Mr. Luddite wrote: On 9/18/2017 1:56 AM, wrote: On Sat, 16 Sep 2017 11:50:01 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 9/16/2017 11:36 AM, Tim wrote: http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/15/us/hur...ast/index.html Kinda seems like the east coast could be threatened... CNN? Fake news. Gonna be sunny and warm. Beach weather. :-) I think by the time it gets to us it will be just a strong nor'easter. Rather have it now than in February. I hope the models are better for you than they were for us. 3 days out, Irma was a Miami storm. It came in over Marco, 100+ miles west. I have been off the air so I have not been looking at the plots and the news is pretty superficial if it is not coming here. They just tell us "relax". Good to hear you survived and didn't have too much damage. Living without power for over a week is a bitch though and those contractor type generators definitely burn a lot of gas. I had a 12.5Kw set up during Wilma but quickly realized my supply of gas (5 or 6, 5 gal jugs) wasn't going to last long if I ran it all the time. I used the little Honda most of the time, just for the refer, a couple of lights and the Direct TV box and TV. We are currently in a Tropical Storm Watch for Jose. It appears it will track well south of us but will expand, spreading some rain and wind tomorrow and Wednesday. No big deal around here. I am watching the other one, "Maria". Still way to early to predict but the Euro model has it tracking right up the coast and hitting Cape Cod. I did the same. The 2Kw handled the refrigerator, freezer, and a small window AC unit I keep on hand. The 6.5Kw sucked gas at 3X the rate with little benefit. Yeah, I ran one refrigerator, a couple of lights, the Direct TV receiver and large flat panel TV. I put it on the "idle" mode and it would run from 9pm until about 7am on one tank of gas (a little over a gallon). I'd fill it up in the morning and it ran all day until evening on one tank. If I wanted coffee or something, I'd unplug the refer temporarily, make a pot of coffee, then switch back to the refer. The only time the little Honda would automatically rev up for a couple of seconds was when the compressor in the refer turned on or the coffee maker was heating. After that it went back to idle mode. My problem is pumps The pool is 1hp, the well is 3/4 hp and the house pump is 3/4hp. I can determine when the pool starts but the well is at the mercy of the pressure switches. I know all 3 plus 2 reefers in locked rotor will trip the genny every time. I know if something like this ever happens again I want better load management. To start with I have to separate the fridges. They are on the same phase now. That is just moving the breaker. We seemed to have enough switch discipline that I had no problem leaving all of the general lighting breakers on. Walking around turning on lights was just like normal, just do what your momma told you and turn the light off if you are not using it. Other than the compressor surge when it starts a refer doesn't draw much current once the compressor is running. Even a large refrigerator draws less than two amps, once the compressor starts. I ran two of them on the little Honda a couple of years ago, along with a couple of lights and a TV. It would rev up over idle when either of the refrigerator compressors started but then drop back. Never tripped the breaker on the Honda. The e2000 is capable of about 16 amps max but it will generate up to 6 amps running on the "eco mode" (idle). In Florida the well pump was a problem. First, it was 220v, so trying to run it off the little Honda was not possible (it only produces 120v). During the week without power after Wilma, I'd fire up the 12.5kw generator for about an hour in the morning to heat the water in the hot water tank and run the well pump so I could take a shower. I'd then shut it off and use the little Honda as described before. That 12.5 generator burned almost a gallon an hour under load as I recall, the local gas stations had no power, so I had to conserve the gas I had. The larger propane generators work fine as backups, but unless you go hog wild ($$$) with sizing, you still can't run everything in a modern medium to large house. We have a 17KW unit, and we can run at the same time the well pump, a 5-1/2 ton heat pump compressor on AC (it produces heat off of propane if there is a power outage), a sewage ejector pump that serves the basement, a hot water heater, refrigerator, dishwasher, microwave, disposal and lights in the lowest level, some outlet circuits in that level, the refrigerator on the main level, the washing machine on the main level but not the electric dryer, the garage door opener, a microwave, and lights and outlets on the main and upper levels. The heat pump that serves the third level is not included, but that level stays warm in the winter because of heat rising from the level under it, the main floor of the house. If it gets too hot in the summer, there are plenty of places to hang out and sleep on the levels that get AC from the heat pump operating off the generator. The gas cooktop has electric igniters, but it isn't on the generator because we can light it with a match. The electric ovens aren't on generators, either. I think but I don't recall if the electric igniters for the gas fireplaces are on circuits that can be powered by the generator. I think I mentioned this, but our propane supplier works to fill the tanks of its customers starting a week ahead of time if a big storm is brewing. We've never come close to running the tank dry. The generator burns 1-1/2 to 2-1/2 "gallons" of propane an hour, depending on the load. We do keep the load as low as possible, though, when the generator runs. Sounds like a nice setup but I could never justify a "whole house" generator up here in the north because the number of times we've been without power for more than an hour or so in the past 17 years was once, after a heavy snowstorm and that outage only lasted for 3 days. Power was restored the afternoon of the third day. In 17 years I'd burn more fuel ... propane, diesel or gas ... during the weekly 10 minute exercise runs than what I'd burn due to a power outage. It's a little inconvenient but the little Honda has served us well over the years .. in fact I only had to use it once after that snowstorm to power anything in the house. By the third day it was starting to get a bit chilly in the house, so I wired the Honda to the oil burner circuit for a while to heat the house. Later that day commercial power was restored. I've mentioned this before but we considered installing a whole house generator when we had the backyard torn up during the pool installation and ran the underground power lines for a generator in case we ever wanted one. I ended up rewiring those lines for use as a 240v, 50 amp RV outlet for use by traveling gypsies. "traveling gypsies"...??? I can just imagine your Florida buddy showing up like that Cousin Eddy in the Chevy Chase movie and dumping his holding tanks down your storm drains. He didn't have storm drains other than the dry babbleing brook that ran through the property. You'd think you were in heaven if he allowed you to camp out in his stables. -- x ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/ Say what? How could it be a babbling brook if it was dry? y'all sure do talk funny down south. |
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#16
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Looks like Jose isn't very happy now,,,
On 9/19/2017 9:17 AM, True North wrote:
On Tuesday, 19 September 2017 09:07:46 UTC-3, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 9/19/2017 7:45 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 9/19/17 3:06 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 9/19/2017 12:45 AM, wrote: On Mon, 18 Sep 2017 20:36:47 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 9/18/2017 7:54 PM, Alex wrote: Mr. Luddite wrote: On 9/18/2017 1:56 AM, wrote: On Sat, 16 Sep 2017 11:50:01 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 9/16/2017 11:36 AM, Tim wrote: http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/15/us/hur...ast/index.html Kinda seems like the east coast could be threatened... CNN? Fake news.Â*Â* Gonna be sunny and warm.Â* Beach weather.Â* :-) I think by the time it gets to us it will be just a strong nor'easter. Rather have it now than in February. I hope the models are better for you than they were for us. 3 days out, Irma was a Miami storm. It came in over Marco, 100+ miles west. I have been off the air so I have not been looking at the plots and the news is pretty superficial if it is not coming here. They just tell us "relax". Good to hear you survived and didn't have too much damage.Â* Living without power for over a week is a bitch though and those contractor type generators definitely burn a lot of gas.Â* I had a 12.5Kw set up during Wilma but quickly realized my supply of gas (5 or 6, 5 gal jugs) wasn't going to last long if I ran it all the time.Â* I used the little Honda most of the time, just for the refer, a couple of lights and the Direct TV box and TV. We are currently in a Tropical Storm Watch for Jose.Â* It appears it will track well south of us but will expand, spreading some rain and wind tomorrow and Wednesday.Â* No big deal around here.Â* I am watching the other one, "Maria".Â* Still way to early to predict but the Euro model has it tracking right up the coast and hitting Cape Cod. I did the same.Â* The 2Kw handled the refrigerator, freezer, and a small window AC unit I keep on hand.Â* The 6.5Kw sucked gas at 3X the rate with little benefit. Yeah, I ran one refrigerator, a couple of lights, the Direct TV receiver and large flat panel TV.Â* I put it on the "idle" mode and it would run from 9pm until about 7am on one tank of gas (a little over a gallon). I'd fill it up in the morning and it ran all day until evening on one tank.Â* If I wanted coffee or something, I'd unplug the refer temporarily, make a pot of coffee, then switch back to the refer.Â* The only time the little Honda would automatically rev up for a couple of seconds was when the compressor in the refer turned on or the coffee maker was heating.Â* After that it went back to idle mode. My problem is pumps The pool is 1hp, the well is 3/4 hp and the house pump is 3/4hp. I can determine when the pool starts but the well is at the mercy of the pressure switches. I know all 3 plus 2 reefers in locked rotor will trip the genny every time. I know if something like this ever happens again I want better load management. To start with I have to separate the fridges. They are on the same phase now. That is just moving the breaker. We seemed to have enough switch discipline that I had no problem leaving all of the general lighting breakers on. Walking around turning on lights was just like normal, just do what your momma told you and turn the light off if you are not using it. Other than the compressor surge when it starts a refer doesn't draw much current once the compressor is running.Â* Even a large refrigerator draws less than two amps, once the compressor starts.Â* I ran two of them on the little Honda a couple of years ago, along with a couple of lights and a TV.Â* It would rev up over idle when either of the refrigerator compressors started but then drop back.Â* Never tripped the breaker on the Honda.Â* The e2000 is capable of about 16 amps max but it will generate up to 6 amps running on the "eco mode" (idle). In Florida the well pump was a problem.Â* First, it was 220v, so trying to run it off the little Honda was not possible (it only produces 120v). During the week without power after Wilma, I'd fire up the 12.5kw generator for about an hour in the morning to heat the water in the hot water tank and run the well pump so I could take a shower.Â* I'd then shut it off and use the little Honda as described before.Â* That 12.5 generator burned almost a gallon an hour under load as I recall, the local gas stations had no power, so I had to conserve the gas I had. The larger propane generators work fine as backups, but unless you go hog wild ($$$) with sizing, you still can't run everything in a modern medium to large house. We have a 17KW unit, and we can run at the same time the well pump, a 5-1/2 ton heat pump compressor on AC (it produces heat off of propane if there is a power outage), a sewage ejector pump that serves the basement, a hot water heater, refrigerator, dishwasher, microwave, disposal and lights in the lowest level, some outlet circuits in that level, the refrigerator on the main level, the washing machine on the main level but not the electric dryer, the garage door opener, a microwave, and lights and outlets on the main and upper levels. The heat pump that serves the third level is not included, but that level stays warm in the winter because of heat rising from the level under it, the main floor of the house. If it gets too hot in the summer, there are plenty of places to hang out and sleep on the levels that get AC from the heat pump operating off the generator. The gas cooktop has electric igniters, but it isn't on the generator because we can light it with a match. The electric ovens aren't on generators, either. I think but I don't recall if the electric igniters for the gas fireplaces are on circuits that can be powered by the generator. I think I mentioned this, but our propane supplier works to fill the tanks of its customers starting a week ahead of time if a big storm is brewing. We've never come close to running the tank dry. The generator burns 1-1/2 to 2-1/2 "gallons" of propane an hour, depending on the load. We do keep the load as low as possible, though, when the generator runs. Sounds like a nice setup but I could never justify a "whole house" generator up here in the north because the number of times we've been without power for more than an hour or so in the past 17 years was once, after a heavy snowstorm and that outage only lasted for 3 days. Power was restored the afternoon of the third day. In 17 years I'd burn more fuel ... propane, diesel or gas ... during the weekly 10 minute exercise runs than what I'd burn due to a power outage. It's a little inconvenient but the little Honda has served us well over the years .. in fact I only had to use it once after that snowstorm to power anything in the house. By the third day it was starting to get a bit chilly in the house, so I wired the Honda to the oil burner circuit for a while to heat the house. Later that day commercial power was restored. I've mentioned this before but we considered installing a whole house generator when we had the backyard torn up during the pool installation and ran the underground power lines for a generator in case we ever wanted one. I ended up rewiring those lines for use as a 240v, 50 amp RV outlet for use by traveling gypsies. "traveling gypsies"...??? I can just imagine your Florida buddy showing up like that Cousin Eddy in the Chevy Chase movie and dumping his holding tanks down your storm drains. Sorry to burst your bubble this time Don but Justan and and Co. visited more than once and it was always a pleasure and good times when they did. We go back a ways. |
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Looks like Jose isn't very happy now,,,
True North wrote:
On Tuesday, 19 September 2017 09:07:46 UTC-3, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 9/19/2017 7:45 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 9/19/17 3:06 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 9/19/2017 12:45 AM, wrote: On Mon, 18 Sep 2017 20:36:47 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 9/18/2017 7:54 PM, Alex wrote: Mr. Luddite wrote: On 9/18/2017 1:56 AM, wrote: On Sat, 16 Sep 2017 11:50:01 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 9/16/2017 11:36 AM, Tim wrote: http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/15/us/hur...ast/index.html Kinda seems like the east coast could be threatened... CNN? Fake news. Gonna be sunny and warm. Beach weather. :-) I think by the time it gets to us it will be just a strong nor'easter. Rather have it now than in February. I hope the models are better for you than they were for us. 3 days out, Irma was a Miami storm. It came in over Marco, 100+ miles west. I have been off the air so I have not been looking at the plots and the news is pretty superficial if it is not coming here. They just tell us "relax". Good to hear you survived and didn't have too much damage. Living without power for over a week is a bitch though and those contractor type generators definitely burn a lot of gas. I had a 12.5Kw set up during Wilma but quickly realized my supply of gas (5 or 6, 5 gal jugs) wasn't going to last long if I ran it all the time. I used the little Honda most of the time, just for the refer, a couple of lights and the Direct TV box and TV. We are currently in a Tropical Storm Watch for Jose. It appears it will track well south of us but will expand, spreading some rain and wind tomorrow and Wednesday. No big deal around here. I am watching the other one, "Maria". Still way to early to predict but the Euro model has it tracking right up the coast and hitting Cape Cod. I did the same. The 2Kw handled the refrigerator, freezer, and a small window AC unit I keep on hand. The 6.5Kw sucked gas at 3X the rate with little benefit. Yeah, I ran one refrigerator, a couple of lights, the Direct TV receiver and large flat panel TV. I put it on the "idle" mode and it would run from 9pm until about 7am on one tank of gas (a little over a gallon). I'd fill it up in the morning and it ran all day until evening on one tank. If I wanted coffee or something, I'd unplug the refer temporarily, make a pot of coffee, then switch back to the refer. The only time the little Honda would automatically rev up for a couple of seconds was when the compressor in the refer turned on or the coffee maker was heating. After that it went back to idle mode. My problem is pumps The pool is 1hp, the well is 3/4 hp and the house pump is 3/4hp. I can determine when the pool starts but the well is at the mercy of the pressure switches. I know all 3 plus 2 reefers in locked rotor will trip the genny every time. I know if something like this ever happens again I want better load management. To start with I have to separate the fridges. They are on the same phase now. That is just moving the breaker. We seemed to have enough switch discipline that I had no problem leaving all of the general lighting breakers on. Walking around turning on lights was just like normal, just do what your momma told you and turn the light off if you are not using it. Other than the compressor surge when it starts a refer doesn't draw much current once the compressor is running. Even a large refrigerator draws less than two amps, once the compressor starts. I ran two of them on the little Honda a couple of years ago, along with a couple of lights and a TV. It would rev up over idle when either of the refrigerator compressors started but then drop back. Never tripped the breaker on the Honda. The e2000 is capable of about 16 amps max but it will generate up to 6 amps running on the "eco mode" (idle). In Florida the well pump was a problem. First, it was 220v, so trying to run it off the little Honda was not possible (it only produces 120v). During the week without power after Wilma, I'd fire up the 12.5kw generator for about an hour in the morning to heat the water in the hot water tank and run the well pump so I could take a shower. I'd then shut it off and use the little Honda as described before. That 12.5 generator burned almost a gallon an hour under load as I recall, the local gas stations had no power, so I had to conserve the gas I had. The larger propane generators work fine as backups, but unless you go hog wild ($$$) with sizing, you still can't run everything in a modern medium to large house. We have a 17KW unit, and we can run at the same time the well pump, a 5-1/2 ton heat pump compressor on AC (it produces heat off of propane if there is a power outage), a sewage ejector pump that serves the basement, a hot water heater, refrigerator, dishwasher, microwave, disposal and lights in the lowest level, some outlet circuits in that level, the refrigerator on the main level, the washing machine on the main level but not the electric dryer, the garage door opener, a microwave, and lights and outlets on the main and upper levels. The heat pump that serves the third level is not included, but that level stays warm in the winter because of heat rising from the level under it, the main floor of the house. If it gets too hot in the summer, there are plenty of places to hang out and sleep on the levels that get AC from the heat pump operating off the generator. The gas cooktop has electric igniters, but it isn't on the generator because we can light it with a match. The electric ovens aren't on generators, either. I think but I don't recall if the electric igniters for the gas fireplaces are on circuits that can be powered by the generator. I think I mentioned this, but our propane supplier works to fill the tanks of its customers starting a week ahead of time if a big storm is brewing. We've never come close to running the tank dry. The generator burns 1-1/2 to 2-1/2 "gallons" of propane an hour, depending on the load. We do keep the load as low as possible, though, when the generator runs. Sounds like a nice setup but I could never justify a "whole house" generator up here in the north because the number of times we've been without power for more than an hour or so in the past 17 years was once, after a heavy snowstorm and that outage only lasted for 3 days. Power was restored the afternoon of the third day. In 17 years I'd burn more fuel ... propane, diesel or gas ... during the weekly 10 minute exercise runs than what I'd burn due to a power outage. It's a little inconvenient but the little Honda has served us well over the years .. in fact I only had to use it once after that snowstorm to power anything in the house. By the third day it was starting to get a bit chilly in the house, so I wired the Honda to the oil burner circuit for a while to heat the house. Later that day commercial power was restored. I've mentioned this before but we considered installing a whole house generator when we had the backyard torn up during the pool installation and ran the underground power lines for a generator in case we ever wanted one. I ended up rewiring those lines for use as a 240v, 50 amp RV outlet for use by traveling gypsies. "traveling gypsies"...??? I can just imagine your Florida buddy showing up like that Cousin Eddy in the Chevy Chase movie and dumping his holding tanks down your storm drains. I bet you can, special guy! |
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Looks like Jose isn't very happy now,,,
On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 03:06:45 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: On 9/19/2017 12:45 AM, wrote: On Mon, 18 Sep 2017 20:36:47 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 9/18/2017 7:54 PM, Alex wrote: Mr. Luddite wrote: On 9/18/2017 1:56 AM, wrote: On Sat, 16 Sep 2017 11:50:01 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 9/16/2017 11:36 AM, Tim wrote: http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/15/us/hur...ast/index.html Kinda seems like the east coast could be threatened... CNN? Fake news.Â*Â* Gonna be sunny and warm.Â* Beach weather.Â* :-) I think by the time it gets to us it will be just a strong nor'easter. Rather have it now than in February. I hope the models are better for you than they were for us. 3 days out, Irma was a Miami storm. It came in over Marco, 100+ miles west. I have been off the air so I have not been looking at the plots and the news is pretty superficial if it is not coming here. They just tell us "relax". Good to hear you survived and didn't have too much damage.Â* Living without power for over a week is a bitch though and those contractor type generators definitely burn a lot of gas.Â* I had a 12.5Kw set up during Wilma but quickly realized my supply of gas (5 or 6, 5 gal jugs) wasn't going to last long if I ran it all the time.Â* I used the little Honda most of the time, just for the refer, a couple of lights and the Direct TV box and TV. We are currently in a Tropical Storm Watch for Jose.Â* It appears it will track well south of us but will expand, spreading some rain and wind tomorrow and Wednesday.Â* No big deal around here.Â* I am watching the other one, "Maria".Â* Still way to early to predict but the Euro model has it tracking right up the coast and hitting Cape Cod. I did the same.Â* The 2Kw handled the refrigerator, freezer, and a small window AC unit I keep on hand.Â* The 6.5Kw sucked gas at 3X the rate with little benefit. Yeah, I ran one refrigerator, a couple of lights, the Direct TV receiver and large flat panel TV. I put it on the "idle" mode and it would run from 9pm until about 7am on one tank of gas (a little over a gallon). I'd fill it up in the morning and it ran all day until evening on one tank. If I wanted coffee or something, I'd unplug the refer temporarily, make a pot of coffee, then switch back to the refer. The only time the little Honda would automatically rev up for a couple of seconds was when the compressor in the refer turned on or the coffee maker was heating. After that it went back to idle mode. My problem is pumps The pool is 1hp, the well is 3/4 hp and the house pump is 3/4hp. I can determine when the pool starts but the well is at the mercy of the pressure switches. I know all 3 plus 2 reefers in locked rotor will trip the genny every time. I know if something like this ever happens again I want better load management. To start with I have to separate the fridges. They are on the same phase now. That is just moving the breaker. We seemed to have enough switch discipline that I had no problem leaving all of the general lighting breakers on. Walking around turning on lights was just like normal, just do what your momma told you and turn the light off if you are not using it. Other than the compressor surge when it starts a refer doesn't draw much current once the compressor is running. Even a large refrigerator draws less than two amps, once the compressor starts. I ran two of them on the little Honda a couple of years ago, along with a couple of lights and a TV. It would rev up over idle when either of the refrigerator compressors started but then drop back. Never tripped the breaker on the Honda. The e2000 is capable of about 16 amps max but it will generate up to 6 amps running on the "eco mode" (idle). In Florida the well pump was a problem. First, it was 220v, so trying to run it off the little Honda was not possible (it only produces 120v). During the week without power after Wilma, I'd fire up the 12.5kw generator for about an hour in the morning to heat the water in the hot water tank and run the well pump so I could take a shower. I'd then shut it off and use the little Honda as described before. That 12.5 generator burned almost a gallon an hour under load as I recall, the local gas stations had no power, so I had to conserve the gas I had. I really only had a problem when they all started at once. (pumps and fridges) I was worried about fuel but it turned out I went 8 days on what I had with gas and half a tank of propane left over. I only started with 7 cans of gas and I had 3 empty ones I couldn't fill before the storm. I won't make that mistake again. running 24 hours a day I think I am still good for about 11 days before I need something. With a little rationing I could easily make that 2 weeks. I am always watching the side of the road. I will increase my gas can inventory I am sure. I'm surprised I didn't find one floating yet. If I was really knowing I was going to be down a while I would run gasoline during the day and propane at night. If it was just going to likely be a day or so I would just use propane. That is expensive but it is real easy to deal with. You don't have any storage problems, there is a quick disconnect on the line and you just do the power transfer, plug it in, turn on the gas and go. I have been thinking about building an enclosure and just leaving it out there. The advantage for me is not having the hassle of rolling it around, keeping it secure, keeping it up off the ground (flood etc) and I could sound deaden the thing. There is a bit of a design challenge but any decent tiki bar builder could do it. ;-) I made a huge difference in the noise with mover blankets hanging around the thing. |
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Looks like Jose isn't very happy now,,,
On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 07:45:26 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote: The generator burns 1-1/2 to 2-1/2 "gallons" of propane an hour, depending on the load. We do keep the load as low as possible, though, Yikes. I was complaining about 0.8 GPH. If you are happy burning 36 gallons a day and up, I will STFU. What do you pay for propane? It seems to be $2-4 a gallon here depending on some mysterious formula. A 250 gallon tank (really 200) is only going to last 5 days at the low end of usage and you could burn it in 3 days if you actually used that 17KVA Yikes! So much for the whole house generator for me. Mine did run my whole house minus the AC, dryer and water heater and I have a plan for the water heater. With a pool, the AC is not important during the day and at night my generator runs the mini split in the bedroom just fine. |
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