On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 12:03:28 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 9/20/2017 11:37 AM, John H wrote:
On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 09:56:10 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 9/20/17 9:20 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 9/20/2017 9:07 AM, John H wrote:
On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 08:17:20 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"


I got in the habit of showering twice a day years ago, though once in a
while I'll skip an early morning shower, especially when I am not seeing
a client or friends. It's just habit. Our cats do seem to prefer
sniffing my feet when I skip the morning douse.

I'm thinking you could go a couple weeks without showering and not stink.



I think that's pushing it. Done that when underway on a ship. When we
returned to port we were all a little ripe.


Yeah, but you're not Harry.

On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 12:03:28 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

I'm thinking you could go a couple weeks without showering and not stink.



I think that's pushing it. Done that when underway on a ship. When we
returned to port we were all a little ripe.


We had salt water showers on the ships I was on. You could take a
"hollywood" shower in salt water, then just a spritz in fresh to get
the salt off. We were under water restrictions but I never heard that
we were in danger of running out.

On 9/20/2017 12:46 PM, Tim wrote:
Its nice to have a 28k Katolite 110/220 single phase gen that drives from a tractor PTO. I don't have a tractor big enough to pull it but my next door neighbor does. His 4440 John Deere is also set with a hi/low PTO. You set it in high range and then you can idle the engine down for fuel savings.

Right before bad weather hits, it's dug out, hooked up to make sure it works correctly, then stored it till its needed. Both our houses are set for external power. Fortunately we haven't needed it...yet.

This isn't my pic but one like it...

http://www.wclittleton.com/katolite0801.jpg



I considered getting a PTO powered generator for the diesel John Deere
tractor I had. At 28-30 hp it would be capable of about a 14kw-16kw
generator.

But then I realized that most of our power outages would likely be in
the winter during heavy snow storms and I'd want to use the tractor for
clearing snow in areas that the truck plow (that I bought later)
couldn't get to.

So, instead, I bought the rear mower attachment, a snowblower attachment
and a post hole digger. I used the snowblower attachment once and
realized what a pain in the ass it was to remove the front end loader
and attach the snowblower. So, I sold it and bought the plow for my
truck instead.

On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 12:59:48 -0400, wrote:

How deep is your lust? (now I have the BeeGee's song stuck in my head)
I have a spare 453 in the shop. Is it worth driving to Estero for you?
I will use that one to check the genset to be sure it is working.

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Absolutely. Are you thinking in terms of a sale or a loan?

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On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 12:18:18 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 9/20/2017 11:08 AM, wrote:

The first thing I addressed was cleaning up the pool. That goes a long
way towards keeping cool and not developing that 3d world smell.
Flushing toilets is the easy one. Just dump a bucket of water in it.
OTOH if you have a lift pump, it might just come up in your bath tub.
My septic is gravity operated. When they told me all new systems might
have to be mound systems I just fixed the one I had ... off the books.
Tiki bar builders know how to do that sort of thing ;-)



Florida ... or at least some sections of it ... does not seem to have a
big problem with septic systems which surprised me because of the water
table. When we bought the first house in Jupiter I asked if the septic
system had been routinely pumped or if any inspections were required.
The realtor looked at me like I had two heads.

Up here it's recommended you have your system pumped once a year ...
every two years max. We also have a mandatory inspection called "Title
V" that the homeowner is responsible to have done when selling the
property. The inspection is basically to ensure the tank, "D" box and
leeching field is working properly. Some of the older homes fail and
it can prevent a sale. The state also banned mound systems a few years
ago. So, if your system fails the inspection, you can plan on a $30k to
$50k expenditure.


It all depends on where the high water mark is when they do a soil
survey but they usually lean toward a mound here, trying to get a
certain amount of dry soil above the water table. It really has more
to do with contaminating ground water than the system working.
As long as you don't mess with it, you are good to go. I had to get an
inspection but it was pretty rudimentary. They just pump the tank,
guess at the size and make sure no water is coming back from the
field. If the kids were here when they inspected it, I doubt it would
have passed because my field was ****. That is what I fixed myself. I
found a school teacher who ran a mini Kabota on his days off, he dug
out a new field, I put in 3 yards of gravel, a chamber system and
hired the renta drunks next door to back fill it.
Why don't they like mound systems there?

On 9/20/2017 1:02 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 12:03:28 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

I'm thinking you could go a couple weeks without showering and not stink.



I think that's pushing it. Done that when underway on a ship. When we
returned to port we were all a little ripe.


We had salt water showers on the ships I was on. You could take a
"hollywood" shower in salt water, then just a spritz in fresh to get
the salt off. We were under water restrictions but I never heard that
we were in danger of running out.



Our salt water showers (or baths) were an occasional swim call on Sunday
afternoons. Gunner's Mates would man the sides with rifles watching for
sharks.

Water hours were the norm. Even the water bubblers were turned on for
short periods of time. I guess the Navy figured you got all the water
you needed in coffee and bug juice.

On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 12:03:28 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

I'm thinking you could go a couple weeks without showering and not stink.



I think that's pushing it. Done that when underway on a ship. When we
returned to port we were all a little ripe.

===

On a sailboat with 7 or 8 guys on board, standing 4 hour watches in
hot weather, it only takes about 3 days.

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On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 09:46:51 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

Its nice to have a 28k Katolite 110/220 single phase gen that drives from a tractor PTO. I don't have a tractor big enough to pull it but my next door neighbor does. His 4440 John Deere is also set with a hi/low PTO. You set it in high range and then you can idle the engine down for fuel savings.

Right before bad weather hits, it's dug out, hooked up to make sure it works correctly, then stored it till its needed. Both our houses are set for external power. Fortunately we haven't needed it...yet.

This isn't my pic but one like it...

http://www.wclittleton.com/katolite0801.jpg


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Wow, that's a bigun.

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On 9/20/2017 1:11 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 12:18:18 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 9/20/2017 11:08 AM, wrote:

The first thing I addressed was cleaning up the pool. That goes a long
way towards keeping cool and not developing that 3d world smell.
Flushing toilets is the easy one. Just dump a bucket of water in it.
OTOH if you have a lift pump, it might just come up in your bath tub.
My septic is gravity operated. When they told me all new systems might
have to be mound systems I just fixed the one I had ... off the books.
Tiki bar builders know how to do that sort of thing ;-)



Florida ... or at least some sections of it ... does not seem to have a
big problem with septic systems which surprised me because of the water
table. When we bought the first house in Jupiter I asked if the septic
system had been routinely pumped or if any inspections were required.
The realtor looked at me like I had two heads.

Up here it's recommended you have your system pumped once a year ...
every two years max. We also have a mandatory inspection called "Title
V" that the homeowner is responsible to have done when selling the
property. The inspection is basically to ensure the tank, "D" box and
leeching field is working properly. Some of the older homes fail and
it can prevent a sale. The state also banned mound systems a few years
ago. So, if your system fails the inspection, you can plan on a $30k to
$50k expenditure.


It all depends on where the high water mark is when they do a soil
survey but they usually lean toward a mound here, trying to get a
certain amount of dry soil above the water table. It really has more
to do with contaminating ground water than the system working.
As long as you don't mess with it, you are good to go. I had to get an
inspection but it was pretty rudimentary. They just pump the tank,
guess at the size and make sure no water is coming back from the
field. If the kids were here when they inspected it, I doubt it would
have passed because my field was ****. That is what I fixed myself. I
found a school teacher who ran a mini Kabota on his days off, he dug
out a new field, I put in 3 yards of gravel, a chamber system and
hired the renta drunks next door to back fill it.
Why don't they like mound systems there?



I don't know why they banned mound systems. They used to allow them
(the old farmhouse that we owned had one) but they have since been
banned, at least in the area we live. The state is pushing for
"alternative waste treatment" technologies that include composting
tanks, etc.

Got a kick out of your Kabota friend. When we were in Florida I bought
a Kaboda for Mrs.E. to use when she mucked her stalls and had to dump
the crap in a pile to be picked up monthly. My nephew bought a house
not too far from us and his son ended up living in an RV trailer that he
put in his back yard. I drove the Kabota over to his house (about 5
miles away) on the roads and nobody caught me. I dug a big hole for a
tank and a leeching field for him in his backyard. Worked fine but
totally illegal.

On 9/20/2017 1:14 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 12:03:28 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

I'm thinking you could go a couple weeks without showering and not stink.



I think that's pushing it. Done that when underway on a ship. When we
returned to port we were all a little ripe.

===

On a sailboat with 7 or 8 guys on board, standing 4 hour watches in
hot weather, it only takes about 3 days.


The Navigator was pretty good as far as showers went. IIRC, it had a
100 gallon fresh water tank ... might have been 200 gal. Two heads and
two shower stalls. Never ran out of water but then again I'd fill up
the tank anytime we pulled into a marina.