On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 18:48:32 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 11/26/15 6:35 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 16:12:53 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 11/26/15 3:19 PM, wrote:

Well, of course. But your implications go far beyond the union providing
a lawyer or money for one, and support for their member. That's what
unions do. I would expect the union's lawyer to provide a strong
defense, as any defense lawyer would.

That is plenty if you are trying to delay the proceedings.
The worst case is if the union actively "protested" the charges and
had a little case of "blue flu".
I think this was a bad shoot and they should fry this guy but I also
believe they do not want to rush it, make some technical errors and
get the thing thrown out.
Nobody wants a surprise, like finding out this guy was an undisclosed
schizophrenic or manic depressive, given a government gun and turned
loose on the public.



The union can do whatever it wishes to do, within the requirements of
law. The first year I worked for the NEA, I took a number of teachers
unions out on strike at their request. It was illegal, but the penalty
at that time was simply to lose two days pay for each day on strike. It
was about the only tool the teachers had to force the administrators to
negotiate for a new contract. It was an effective tool. The teachers
were not looking for anything massive, but the law said there had to be
good faith negotiations...and the strikes helped make that happen. Like
many righties, you think capital/management is more important than
labor. I don't.

So now you are saying the union might have some clout in this
investigation. Certainly public sector unions are usually barred from
striking but you say you defied that law and feel justified in doing
it.
You just made my case.
I am sure there are a significant number of Chicago cops who support
their brother, particularly the active union members. The lawyer is on
TV right now saying their position is he was in fear for his life.
The last thing Chicago needs in this crime wave is the cops refusing
to take calls in black neighborhoods because they think they will be
prosecuted if things go bad.



No, I did not say the union had "clout" in the investigation.


You made it very clear that they did when you justified illegal
strikes and explained how effective they can be.
If the DA is bringing a capital case against a cop for an on duty
shooting, he better make sure everyone is on board.

On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 09:26:54 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/26/2015 8:42 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/26/2015 2:27 AM, RGrew176 wrote:
Keyser Söze;1049568 Wrote:
On 11/25/15 12:00 PM, wrote:-
On Wed, 25 Nov 2015 10:03:39 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:
-
On 11/25/15 7:41 AM, John H. wrote:-
On Tue, 24 Nov 2015 18:08:32 -0600, Boating All Out
wrote:

Will coverage of cop the killing a teen in Chicago be
another 24/7 story?
Can they manage two 24/7 stories?
We'll see.

The video definitely makes the cop appear in the wrong. But, a first
degree murder
charge has been filed. What more do the marchers want. Is this an
excuse to begin
looting and burning in Chicago?
---

You probably didn't understand the civil rights demonstrations and
marches of the 1960s, either.-

Those demonstrations were because they felt their grievances were not
being heard. Charging an on duty cop with murder 1 is far from that.
It is clear that the Chicago DA was doing more than a reasonable
reaction. He better add murder 2 and manslaughter as lesser included
charges or you might have a Zimmerman moment.

It is going to be hard to make a murder 1 case although murder 2 is
possible and manslaughter is reasonable.

Without a death penalty, there is really not a significant difference
in sentencing. In most states you can still do "life" for murder 2. As
prisons get more crowded "life" really means "until you get so old and
sick that we can't afford to keep you" anyway.
-

It took 13 months for an indictment, and I think that only came about
because a journalist filed an FOIA and the tapes had to be released.
Thirteen months for an indictment? That's bull****, when you have tapes

in hand.

Might be more indictments. Apparently there was a coverup and part of
that involved cop erasures of video tapes from nearby security cameras.

The tape they have is going to be near impossible to refute. Emptying
your magazine into a guy who you've already shot and who is on the
ground...that's going to be tough to defend, eh?

I wonder if the cop will cop a plea.

Agreed, with what is on the tape an indictment should have come within
60 days if even that long.




Chicago Mayor: Rahm Emanuel .... Democrat
Superintendent of Police: Garry McCarthy ... appointed by Rahm Emanuel
State Attorney - Cook County: Anita Alvarez ... Democrat



Wow...you've really gone over to the dark side. ?





Not so. Just being "fair and balanced".
Do you not think there was a 14 month cover up?
If there *was* a cover up, by whom?




It would not surprise me to learn of chicanery among some higher ups in the
police department. Police corruption is endemic nationwide.

And who selects the 'higher ups' in the police department, Krause?
--

Ban idiots, not guns!

On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 10:12:37 -0500, Justan Olphart wrote:

On 11/26/2015 10:00 AM, John H. wrote:
On Wed, 25 Nov 2015 11:33:11 -0500, Justan Olphart wrote:

On 11/25/2015 10:25 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 11/25/15 10:15 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/25/2015 10:13 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 11/25/15 10:10 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/25/2015 10:03 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 11/25/15 7:41 AM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 24 Nov 2015 18:08:32 -0600, Boating All Out
wrote:

Will coverage of cop the killing a teen in Chicago be
another 24/7 story?
Can they manage two 24/7 stories?
We'll see.

The video definitely makes the cop appear in the wrong. But, a first
degree murder
charge has been filed. What more do the marchers want. Is this an
excuse to begin
looting and burning in Chicago?
--

You probably didn't understand the civil rights demonstrations and
marches of the 1960s, either.



Point to ponder:

In the 400 days since this cop committed this obvious murder, 396
blacks
were shot and killed by another black in the Chicago area.

Do they not understand the civil rights demonstrations and marches of
the 1960s or that Black Lives Matter either?


You don't "get it," either, eh?


Yes Harry, I "get it". Probably better than you do.



I don't think so. The 1960's demonstrations/marches were mostly against
institutional racism and violence. The Chicago demonstration, such as it
was, was also against institutional racism and violence. Police murder
of blacks seems to be endemic these days. Institutional violence.

We have, what, 30,000+ "deaths by gun" and mostly involving non-police
individuals in this country each year. Peculiarly 'Merican, eh?


How many by suicide?
How many black on black?
How many while a crime was being committed?
How many with drug involvement?
How many accidental?
How many by illegal immigrants?

If you have a point to make, make it.
Otherwise admit that you are just parroting a statistic without having a
clue as to what it implies.
Am I right, O' clueless one?

That one's probably way too hard for Krause to answer.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!


He's afraid of what I might say in response to his answer. The questions
asked are easily answered with a little digging.

When he's obviously put in a corner, he keeps his mouth shut. Most of the time he
doesn't realize he was in a corner, opens his mouth, and looks even more stupid.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!

On 11/26/2015 9:03 PM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 10:12:37 -0500, Justan Olphart wrote:

On 11/26/2015 10:00 AM, John H. wrote:
On Wed, 25 Nov 2015 11:33:11 -0500, Justan Olphart wrote:

On 11/25/2015 10:25 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 11/25/15 10:15 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/25/2015 10:13 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 11/25/15 10:10 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/25/2015 10:03 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 11/25/15 7:41 AM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 24 Nov 2015 18:08:32 -0600, Boating All Out
wrote:

Will coverage of cop the killing a teen in Chicago be
another 24/7 story?
Can they manage two 24/7 stories?
We'll see.

The video definitely makes the cop appear in the wrong. But, a first
degree murder
charge has been filed. What more do the marchers want. Is this an
excuse to begin
looting and burning in Chicago?
--

You probably didn't understand the civil rights demonstrations and
marches of the 1960s, either.



Point to ponder:

In the 400 days since this cop committed this obvious murder, 396
blacks
were shot and killed by another black in the Chicago area.

Do they not understand the civil rights demonstrations and marches of
the 1960s or that Black Lives Matter either?


You don't "get it," either, eh?


Yes Harry, I "get it". Probably better than you do.



I don't think so. The 1960's demonstrations/marches were mostly against
institutional racism and violence. The Chicago demonstration, such as it
was, was also against institutional racism and violence. Police murder
of blacks seems to be endemic these days. Institutional violence.

We have, what, 30,000+ "deaths by gun" and mostly involving non-police
individuals in this country each year. Peculiarly 'Merican, eh?


How many by suicide?
How many black on black?
How many while a crime was being committed?
How many with drug involvement?
How many accidental?
How many by illegal immigrants?

If you have a point to make, make it.
Otherwise admit that you are just parroting a statistic without having a
clue as to what it implies.
Am I right, O' clueless one?

That one's probably way too hard for Krause to answer.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!


He's afraid of what I might say in response to his answer. The questions
asked are easily answered with a little digging.

When he's obviously put in a corner, he keeps his mouth shut. Most of the time he
doesn't realize he was in a corner, opens his mouth, and looks even more stupid.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!

Damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. Now that's a real pickle to
be in. ;-)

wrote:
On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 16:12:53 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

The teachers
were not looking for anything massive, but the law said there had to be
good faith negotiations...and the strikes helped make that happen.
===

Unions willing to break the law are guilty of extortion. Teachers
work hard for their money but salaries, and paticularly benefits, have
gotten out of line with private industry. This will cause a major
crisis at some point and force many local school districts into
bankruptcy.


People should be paid based on their performance, not as a group. Unions
remove any incentive for an individual to work harder since their salary
is not connected to their personal dedication or hard work.

On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 20:56:19 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 09:26:54 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/26/2015 8:42 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/26/2015 2:27 AM, RGrew176 wrote:
Keyser Söze;1049568 Wrote:
On 11/25/15 12:00 PM, wrote:-
On Wed, 25 Nov 2015 10:03:39 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:
-
On 11/25/15 7:41 AM, John H. wrote:-
On Tue, 24 Nov 2015 18:08:32 -0600, Boating All Out
wrote:

Will coverage of cop the killing a teen in Chicago be
another 24/7 story?
Can they manage two 24/7 stories?
We'll see.

The video definitely makes the cop appear in the wrong. But, a first
degree murder
charge has been filed. What more do the marchers want. Is this an
excuse to begin
looting and burning in Chicago?
---

You probably didn't understand the civil rights demonstrations and
marches of the 1960s, either.-

Those demonstrations were because they felt their grievances were not
being heard. Charging an on duty cop with murder 1 is far from that.
It is clear that the Chicago DA was doing more than a reasonable
reaction. He better add murder 2 and manslaughter as lesser included
charges or you might have a Zimmerman moment.

It is going to be hard to make a murder 1 case although murder 2 is
possible and manslaughter is reasonable.

Without a death penalty, there is really not a significant difference
in sentencing. In most states you can still do "life" for murder 2. As
prisons get more crowded "life" really means "until you get so old and
sick that we can't afford to keep you" anyway.
-

It took 13 months for an indictment, and I think that only came about
because a journalist filed an FOIA and the tapes had to be released.
Thirteen months for an indictment? That's bull****, when you have tapes

in hand.

Might be more indictments. Apparently there was a coverup and part of
that involved cop erasures of video tapes from nearby security cameras.

The tape they have is going to be near impossible to refute. Emptying
your magazine into a guy who you've already shot and who is on the
ground...that's going to be tough to defend, eh?

I wonder if the cop will cop a plea.

Agreed, with what is on the tape an indictment should have come within
60 days if even that long.




Chicago Mayor: Rahm Emanuel .... Democrat
Superintendent of Police: Garry McCarthy ... appointed by Rahm Emanuel
State Attorney - Cook County: Anita Alvarez ... Democrat



Wow...you've really gone over to the dark side. ?





Not so. Just being "fair and balanced".
Do you not think there was a 14 month cover up?
If there *was* a cover up, by whom?




It would not surprise me to learn of chicanery among some higher ups in the
police department. Police corruption is endemic nationwide.

And who selects the 'higher ups' in the police department, Krause?

Poor old Harry has painted himself into the proverbial corner. The
"higher ups" are either the appointed officials or the union leaders.

wrote:
On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 20:56:19 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 09:26:54 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/26/2015 8:42 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/26/2015 2:27 AM, RGrew176 wrote:
Keyser Söze;1049568 Wrote:
On 11/25/15 12:00 PM, wrote:-
On Wed, 25 Nov 2015 10:03:39 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:
-
On 11/25/15 7:41 AM, John H. wrote:-
On Tue, 24 Nov 2015 18:08:32 -0600, Boating All Out
wrote:

Will coverage of cop the killing a teen in Chicago be
another 24/7 story?
Can they manage two 24/7 stories?
We'll see.

The video definitely makes the cop appear in the wrong. But, a first
degree murder
charge has been filed. What more do the marchers want. Is this an
excuse to begin
looting and burning in Chicago?
---

You probably didn't understand the civil rights demonstrations and
marches of the 1960s, either.-

Those demonstrations were because they felt their grievances were not
being heard. Charging an on duty cop with murder 1 is far from that.
It is clear that the Chicago DA was doing more than a reasonable
reaction. He better add murder 2 and manslaughter as lesser included
charges or you might have a Zimmerman moment.

It is going to be hard to make a murder 1 case although murder 2 is
possible and manslaughter is reasonable.

Without a death penalty, there is really not a significant difference
in sentencing. In most states you can still do "life" for murder 2. As
prisons get more crowded "life" really means "until you get so old and
sick that we can't afford to keep you" anyway.
-

It took 13 months for an indictment, and I think that only came about
because a journalist filed an FOIA and the tapes had to be released.
Thirteen months for an indictment? That's bull****, when you have tapes

in hand.

Might be more indictments. Apparently there was a coverup and part of
that involved cop erasures of video tapes from nearby security cameras.

The tape they have is going to be near impossible to refute. Emptying
your magazine into a guy who you've already shot and who is on the
ground...that's going to be tough to defend, eh?

I wonder if the cop will cop a plea.

Agreed, with what is on the tape an indictment should have come within
60 days if even that long.




Chicago Mayor: Rahm Emanuel .... Democrat
Superintendent of Police: Garry McCarthy ... appointed by Rahm Emanuel
State Attorney - Cook County: Anita Alvarez ... Democrat



Wow...you've really gone over to the dark side. ?





Not so. Just being "fair and balanced".
Do you not think there was a 14 month cover up?
If there *was* a cover up, by whom?




It would not surprise me to learn of chicanery among some higher ups in the
police department. Police corruption is endemic nationwide.

And who selects the 'higher ups' in the police department, Krause?

Poor old Harry has painted himself into the proverbial corner. The
"higher ups" are either the appointed officials or the union leaders.

You have no idea who they are or where they are in the pecking order. A
higher up could be a sergeant.


--
Sent from my iPhone 6+

On 11/26/15 9:03 PM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 10:12:37 -0500, Justan Olphart wrote:

On 11/26/2015 10:00 AM, John H. wrote:
On Wed, 25 Nov 2015 11:33:11 -0500, Justan Olphart wrote:

On 11/25/2015 10:25 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 11/25/15 10:15 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/25/2015 10:13 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 11/25/15 10:10 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/25/2015 10:03 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 11/25/15 7:41 AM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 24 Nov 2015 18:08:32 -0600, Boating All Out
wrote:

Will coverage of cop the killing a teen in Chicago be
another 24/7 story?
Can they manage two 24/7 stories?
We'll see.

The video definitely makes the cop appear in the wrong. But, a first
degree murder
charge has been filed. What more do the marchers want. Is this an
excuse to begin
looting and burning in Chicago?
--

You probably didn't understand the civil rights demonstrations and
marches of the 1960s, either.



Point to ponder:

In the 400 days since this cop committed this obvious murder, 396
blacks
were shot and killed by another black in the Chicago area.

Do they not understand the civil rights demonstrations and marches of
the 1960s or that Black Lives Matter either?


You don't "get it," either, eh?


Yes Harry, I "get it". Probably better than you do.



I don't think so. The 1960's demonstrations/marches were mostly against
institutional racism and violence. The Chicago demonstration, such as it
was, was also against institutional racism and violence. Police murder
of blacks seems to be endemic these days. Institutional violence.

We have, what, 30,000+ "deaths by gun" and mostly involving non-police
individuals in this country each year. Peculiarly 'Merican, eh?


How many by suicide?
How many black on black?
How many while a crime was being committed?
How many with drug involvement?
How many accidental?
How many by illegal immigrants?

If you have a point to make, make it.
Otherwise admit that you are just parroting a statistic without having a
clue as to what it implies.
Am I right, O' clueless one?

That one's probably way too hard for Krause to answer.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!


He's afraid of what I might say in response to his answer. The questions
asked are easily answered with a little digging.

When he's obviously put in a corner, he keeps his mouth shut. Most of the time he
doesn't realize he was in a corner, opens his mouth, and looks even more stupid.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!


Apparently you right wing trashmeisters can't read. I've often stated I
don't read FlaJim's posts firsthand and I usually ignore them when they
get reposted, and I usually don't respond when another right wing
trashmeister like you tries, and tries, and tries, et cetera.

On 11/26/2015 9:32 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
wrote:
On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 20:56:19 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 09:26:54 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/26/2015 8:42 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/26/2015 2:27 AM, RGrew176 wrote:
Keyser Söze;1049568 Wrote:
On 11/25/15 12:00 PM, wrote:-
On Wed, 25 Nov 2015 10:03:39 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:
-
On 11/25/15 7:41 AM, John H. wrote:-
On Tue, 24 Nov 2015 18:08:32 -0600, Boating All Out
wrote:

Will coverage of cop the killing a teen in Chicago be
another 24/7 story?
Can they manage two 24/7 stories?
We'll see.

The video definitely makes the cop appear in the wrong. But, a first
degree murder
charge has been filed. What more do the marchers want. Is this an
excuse to begin
looting and burning in Chicago?
---

You probably didn't understand the civil rights demonstrations and
marches of the 1960s, either.-

Those demonstrations were because they felt their grievances were not
being heard. Charging an on duty cop with murder 1 is far from that.
It is clear that the Chicago DA was doing more than a reasonable
reaction. He better add murder 2 and manslaughter as lesser included
charges or you might have a Zimmerman moment.

It is going to be hard to make a murder 1 case although murder 2 is
possible and manslaughter is reasonable.

Without a death penalty, there is really not a significant difference
in sentencing. In most states you can still do "life" for murder 2. As
prisons get more crowded "life" really means "until you get so old and
sick that we can't afford to keep you" anyway.
-

It took 13 months for an indictment, and I think that only came about
because a journalist filed an FOIA and the tapes had to be released.
Thirteen months for an indictment? That's bull****, when you have tapes

in hand.

Might be more indictments. Apparently there was a coverup and part of
that involved cop erasures of video tapes from nearby security cameras.

The tape they have is going to be near impossible to refute. Emptying
your magazine into a guy who you've already shot and who is on the
ground...that's going to be tough to defend, eh?

I wonder if the cop will cop a plea.

Agreed, with what is on the tape an indictment should have come within
60 days if even that long.




Chicago Mayor: Rahm Emanuel .... Democrat
Superintendent of Police: Garry McCarthy ... appointed by Rahm Emanuel
State Attorney - Cook County: Anita Alvarez ... Democrat



Wow...you've really gone over to the dark side. ?





Not so. Just being "fair and balanced".
Do you not think there was a 14 month cover up?
If there *was* a cover up, by whom?




It would not surprise me to learn of chicanery among some higher ups in the
police department. Police corruption is endemic nationwide.

And who selects the 'higher ups' in the police department, Krause?

Poor old Harry has painted himself into the proverbial corner. The
"higher ups" are either the appointed officials or the union leaders.

You have no idea who they are or where they are in the pecking order. A
higher up could be a sergeant.



Or it could be a bird ****ting on your head. Just sayin!

On 11/26/2015 9:40 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 11/26/15 9:03 PM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 10:12:37 -0500, Justan Olphart
wrote:

On 11/26/2015 10:00 AM, John H. wrote:
On Wed, 25 Nov 2015 11:33:11 -0500, Justan Olphart
wrote:

On 11/25/2015 10:25 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 11/25/15 10:15 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/25/2015 10:13 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 11/25/15 10:10 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/25/2015 10:03 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 11/25/15 7:41 AM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 24 Nov 2015 18:08:32 -0600, Boating All Out
wrote:

Will coverage of cop the killing a teen in Chicago be
another 24/7 story?
Can they manage two 24/7 stories?
We'll see.

The video definitely makes the cop appear in the wrong. But,
a first
degree murder
charge has been filed. What more do the marchers want. Is
this an
excuse to begin
looting and burning in Chicago?
--

You probably didn't understand the civil rights demonstrations
and
marches of the 1960s, either.



Point to ponder:

In the 400 days since this cop committed this obvious murder, 396
blacks
were shot and killed by another black in the Chicago area.

Do they not understand the civil rights demonstrations and
marches of
the 1960s or that Black Lives Matter either?


You don't "get it," either, eh?


Yes Harry, I "get it". Probably better than you do.



I don't think so. The 1960's demonstrations/marches were mostly
against
institutional racism and violence. The Chicago demonstration, such
as it
was, was also against institutional racism and violence. Police
murder
of blacks seems to be endemic these days. Institutional violence.

We have, what, 30,000+ "deaths by gun" and mostly involving
non-police
individuals in this country each year. Peculiarly 'Merican, eh?


How many by suicide?
How many black on black?
How many while a crime was being committed?
How many with drug involvement?
How many accidental?
How many by illegal immigrants?

If you have a point to make, make it.
Otherwise admit that you are just parroting a statistic without
having a
clue as to what it implies.
Am I right, O' clueless one?

That one's probably way too hard for Krause to answer.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!


He's afraid of what I might say in response to his answer. The questions
asked are easily answered with a little digging.

When he's obviously put in a corner, he keeps his mouth shut. Most of
the time he
doesn't realize he was in a corner, opens his mouth, and looks even
more stupid.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!


Apparently you right wing trashmeisters can't read. I've often stated I
don't read FlaJim's posts firsthand and I usually ignore them when they
get reposted, and I usually don't respond when another right wing
trashmeister like you tries, and tries, and tries, et cetera.


I really find that hard to believe, Harry.