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On 11/27/15 3:53 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/27/2015 3:24 PM, wrote: On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 13:33:19 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: wrote: On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 12:56:26 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 11/27/15 12:42 PM, wrote: On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 12:02:23 -0500, John H. wrote: On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 18:38:18 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 17:23:43 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 16:12:53 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: The teachers were not looking for anything massive, but the law said there had to be good faith negotiations...and the strikes helped make that happen. === Unions willing to break the law are guilty of extortion. Teachers work hard for their money but salaries, and paticularly benefits, have gotten out of line with private industry. This will cause a major crisis at some point and force many local school districts into bankruptcy. I am not even upset at teacher salaries and benefits. What ****es me off is they can't get rid of bad teachers, pay is not tied to performance and the administration siphons 60% of the money away before it ever trickles down to the actual classroom. Sounds like you've been there and done that. You are correct. A few years ago I did go through the school board budget, pretty much line for line and developed a summary of where the money was going. Then I compared that to a few other places. The striking thing was how much of the money is going to things that are not really education related. In defense of the teachers themselves, I would say, they will not make any real money in the classroom compared to what they can make if they move downtown to the administration office. Now you end up with a teacher who we may have been better off keeping in the classroom, being a mediocre administrator but that is how the career path is structured. You can't get a serious administrative job without being a teacher. It is an entirely different skill set. Charter schools are starting to demonstrate the flaws in the way we run school systems, even though they are running with ankle weights. Good grief. You went through a local school board budget and proclaimed yourself an expert. Hehehe. It is simple math and math is a pure science. ...but you know that. It is a simple fact that you can put a kid in the best secular private school in Lee County for what the school board is spending on them. That you can do simple math doesn't mean you understand a school budget, but of course you are the world's greatest living expert. It is not hard to understand when they break out where the money is being spent. I am sorry that you underestimate the abilities of people you disagree with but that does not make them wrong. Harry cracks me up. When the subject is global warming or creationism, math, science and statistics reign but when it comes to a social issue dear to his heart, math, science and statistics go out the window and the insults start. You are absolutely correct. Two of our kids went to public high schools, the third went to a highly rated private high school. I just looked up the current public school budget and the "cost per pupil" for the long list of budgetary line items. Then I looked up the current tuition (inclusive of all student fees) for the private school our third kid graduated from. The total "cost per pupil" is actually slightly higher in the public school than the tuition for the private. The private has a statistical record of the highest percentage of graduates continuing on to college and also has the higher average SAT scores. It is a bit naive to compare cost per pupil between public and private schools, since public schools in the main pay their staffs decently, and are also burdened with trying to correct most of the ills of society dumped on kids with impoverished parents, have to provide programs for intellectually and emotionally challenged kids, and don't have the advantage of cherry picking their students. But, hey, it's just math, right? |
#114
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Is Paris/Isis Over?
On 11/27/15 5:44 PM, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 12:59:36 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 11/27/15 12:02 PM, John H. wrote: On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 18:38:18 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 17:23:43 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 16:12:53 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: The teachers were not looking for anything massive, but the law said there had to be good faith negotiations...and the strikes helped make that happen. === Unions willing to break the law are guilty of extortion. Teachers work hard for their money but salaries, and paticularly benefits, have gotten out of line with private industry. This will cause a major crisis at some point and force many local school districts into bankruptcy. I am not even upset at teacher salaries and benefits. What ****es me off is they can't get rid of bad teachers, pay is not tied to performance and the administration siphons 60% of the money away before it ever trickles down to the actual classroom. Sounds like you've been there and done that. You are correct. -- Well, hell, they got rid of you as a teacher. Because I retired? What a stupid comment. -- Call it whatever you want. |
#115
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Is Paris/Isis Over?
On 11/27/15 5:40 PM, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 12:56:26 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 11/27/15 12:42 PM, wrote: On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 12:02:23 -0500, John H. wrote: On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 18:38:18 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 17:23:43 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 16:12:53 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: The teachers were not looking for anything massive, but the law said there had to be good faith negotiations...and the strikes helped make that happen. === Unions willing to break the law are guilty of extortion. Teachers work hard for their money but salaries, and paticularly benefits, have gotten out of line with private industry. This will cause a major crisis at some point and force many local school districts into bankruptcy. I am not even upset at teacher salaries and benefits. What ****es me off is they can't get rid of bad teachers, pay is not tied to performance and the administration siphons 60% of the money away before it ever trickles down to the actual classroom. Sounds like you've been there and done that. You are correct. A few years ago I did go through the school board budget, pretty much line for line and developed a summary of where the money was going. Then I compared that to a few other places. The striking thing was how much of the money is going to things that are not really education related. In defense of the teachers themselves, I would say, they will not make any real money in the classroom compared to what they can make if they move downtown to the administration office. Now you end up with a teacher who we may have been better off keeping in the classroom, being a mediocre administrator but that is how the career path is structured. You can't get a serious administrative job without being a teacher. It is an entirely different skill set. Charter schools are starting to demonstrate the flaws in the way we run school systems, even though they are running with ankle weights. Good grief. You went through a local school board budget and proclaimed yourself an expert. Hehehe. And how many school board budgets have you analyzed, oh omniscient one? -- Quite a few when I worked for the NEA, oh, retarded one. |
#116
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Is Paris/Isis Over?
On 11/27/15 5:38 PM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 22:44:25 -0500, Justan Olphart wrote: On 11/26/2015 9:40 PM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 11/26/15 9:03 PM, John H. wrote: On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 10:12:37 -0500, Justan Olphart wrote: On 11/26/2015 10:00 AM, John H. wrote: On Wed, 25 Nov 2015 11:33:11 -0500, Justan Olphart wrote: On 11/25/2015 10:25 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 11/25/15 10:15 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 11/25/2015 10:13 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 11/25/15 10:10 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 11/25/2015 10:03 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 11/25/15 7:41 AM, John H. wrote: On Tue, 24 Nov 2015 18:08:32 -0600, Boating All Out wrote: Will coverage of cop the killing a teen in Chicago be another 24/7 story? Can they manage two 24/7 stories? We'll see. The video definitely makes the cop appear in the wrong. But, a first degree murder charge has been filed. What more do the marchers want. Is this an excuse to begin looting and burning in Chicago? -- You probably didn't understand the civil rights demonstrations and marches of the 1960s, either. Point to ponder: In the 400 days since this cop committed this obvious murder, 396 blacks were shot and killed by another black in the Chicago area. Do they not understand the civil rights demonstrations and marches of the 1960s or that Black Lives Matter either? You don't "get it," either, eh? Yes Harry, I "get it". Probably better than you do. I don't think so. The 1960's demonstrations/marches were mostly against institutional racism and violence. The Chicago demonstration, such as it was, was also against institutional racism and violence. Police murder of blacks seems to be endemic these days. Institutional violence. We have, what, 30,000+ "deaths by gun" and mostly involving non-police individuals in this country each year. Peculiarly 'Merican, eh? How many by suicide? How many black on black? How many while a crime was being committed? How many with drug involvement? How many accidental? How many by illegal immigrants? If you have a point to make, make it. Otherwise admit that you are just parroting a statistic without having a clue as to what it implies. Am I right, O' clueless one? That one's probably way too hard for Krause to answer. -- Ban idiots, not guns! He's afraid of what I might say in response to his answer. The questions asked are easily answered with a little digging. When he's obviously put in a corner, he keeps his mouth shut. Most of the time he doesn't realize he was in a corner, opens his mouth, and looks even more stupid. -- Ban idiots, not guns! Apparently you right wing trashmeisters can't read. I've often stated I don't read FlaJim's posts firsthand and I usually ignore them when they get reposted, and I usually don't respond when another right wing trashmeister like you tries, and tries, and tries, et cetera. I really find that hard to believe, Harry. Only 'cause it's unbelievable. -- Ban idiots, not guns! 99.9% of FlaJim's comments here are totally devoid of content, which is one reason of many not to bother with them. |
#117
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On 11/27/2015 6:52 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 11/27/15 3:53 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 11/27/2015 3:24 PM, wrote: On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 13:33:19 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: wrote: On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 12:56:26 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 11/27/15 12:42 PM, wrote: On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 12:02:23 -0500, John H. wrote: On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 18:38:18 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 17:23:43 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 16:12:53 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: The teachers were not looking for anything massive, but the law said there had to be good faith negotiations...and the strikes helped make that happen. === Unions willing to break the law are guilty of extortion. Teachers work hard for their money but salaries, and paticularly benefits, have gotten out of line with private industry. This will cause a major crisis at some point and force many local school districts into bankruptcy. I am not even upset at teacher salaries and benefits. What ****es me off is they can't get rid of bad teachers, pay is not tied to performance and the administration siphons 60% of the money away before it ever trickles down to the actual classroom. Sounds like you've been there and done that. You are correct. A few years ago I did go through the school board budget, pretty much line for line and developed a summary of where the money was going. Then I compared that to a few other places. The striking thing was how much of the money is going to things that are not really education related. In defense of the teachers themselves, I would say, they will not make any real money in the classroom compared to what they can make if they move downtown to the administration office. Now you end up with a teacher who we may have been better off keeping in the classroom, being a mediocre administrator but that is how the career path is structured. You can't get a serious administrative job without being a teacher. It is an entirely different skill set. Charter schools are starting to demonstrate the flaws in the way we run school systems, even though they are running with ankle weights. Good grief. You went through a local school board budget and proclaimed yourself an expert. Hehehe. It is simple math and math is a pure science. ...but you know that. It is a simple fact that you can put a kid in the best secular private school in Lee County for what the school board is spending on them. That you can do simple math doesn't mean you understand a school budget, but of course you are the world's greatest living expert. It is not hard to understand when they break out where the money is being spent. I am sorry that you underestimate the abilities of people you disagree with but that does not make them wrong. Harry cracks me up. When the subject is global warming or creationism, math, science and statistics reign but when it comes to a social issue dear to his heart, math, science and statistics go out the window and the insults start. You are absolutely correct. Two of our kids went to public high schools, the third went to a highly rated private high school. I just looked up the current public school budget and the "cost per pupil" for the long list of budgetary line items. Then I looked up the current tuition (inclusive of all student fees) for the private school our third kid graduated from. The total "cost per pupil" is actually slightly higher in the public school than the tuition for the private. The private has a statistical record of the highest percentage of graduates continuing on to college and also has the higher average SAT scores. It is a bit naive to compare cost per pupil between public and private schools, since public schools in the main pay their staffs decently, and are also burdened with trying to correct most of the ills of society dumped on kids with impoverished parents, have to provide programs for intellectually and emotionally challenged kids, and don't have the advantage of cherry picking their students. But, hey, it's just math, right? Good grief. You are hopeless. |
#118
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On 11/27/2015 6:55 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 11/27/15 5:38 PM, John H. wrote: On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 22:44:25 -0500, Justan Olphart wrote: On 11/26/2015 9:40 PM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 11/26/15 9:03 PM, John H. wrote: On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 10:12:37 -0500, Justan Olphart wrote: On 11/26/2015 10:00 AM, John H. wrote: On Wed, 25 Nov 2015 11:33:11 -0500, Justan Olphart wrote: On 11/25/2015 10:25 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 11/25/15 10:15 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 11/25/2015 10:13 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 11/25/15 10:10 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 11/25/2015 10:03 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 11/25/15 7:41 AM, John H. wrote: On Tue, 24 Nov 2015 18:08:32 -0600, Boating All Out wrote: Will coverage of cop the killing a teen in Chicago be another 24/7 story? Can they manage two 24/7 stories? We'll see. The video definitely makes the cop appear in the wrong. But, a first degree murder charge has been filed. What more do the marchers want. Is this an excuse to begin looting and burning in Chicago? -- You probably didn't understand the civil rights demonstrations and marches of the 1960s, either. Point to ponder: In the 400 days since this cop committed this obvious murder, 396 blacks were shot and killed by another black in the Chicago area. Do they not understand the civil rights demonstrations and marches of the 1960s or that Black Lives Matter either? You don't "get it," either, eh? Yes Harry, I "get it". Probably better than you do. I don't think so. The 1960's demonstrations/marches were mostly against institutional racism and violence. The Chicago demonstration, such as it was, was also against institutional racism and violence. Police murder of blacks seems to be endemic these days. Institutional violence. We have, what, 30,000+ "deaths by gun" and mostly involving non-police individuals in this country each year. Peculiarly 'Merican, eh? How many by suicide? How many black on black? How many while a crime was being committed? How many with drug involvement? How many accidental? How many by illegal immigrants? If you have a point to make, make it. Otherwise admit that you are just parroting a statistic without having a clue as to what it implies. Am I right, O' clueless one? That one's probably way too hard for Krause to answer. -- Ban idiots, not guns! He's afraid of what I might say in response to his answer. The questions asked are easily answered with a little digging. When he's obviously put in a corner, he keeps his mouth shut. Most of the time he doesn't realize he was in a corner, opens his mouth, and looks even more stupid. -- Ban idiots, not guns! Apparently you right wing trashmeisters can't read. I've often stated I don't read FlaJim's posts firsthand and I usually ignore them when they get reposted, and I usually don't respond when another right wing trashmeister like you tries, and tries, and tries, et cetera. I really find that hard to believe, Harry. Only 'cause it's unbelievable. -- Ban idiots, not guns! 99.9% of FlaJim's comments here are totally devoid of content, which is one reason of many not to bother with them. Just the other day you said you only saw a miniscule number of his posts and only when they are quoted by others. Now you say that 99.9% of his posts are totally devoid of content. How do you know that if you only see a small fraction of them? |
#119
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On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 18:53:37 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote: Well, hell, they got rid of you as a teacher. Because I retired? What a stupid comment. -- Call it whatever you want. === Why did the NEA get rid of you? That seems like it should have been a good gig for your talents. |
#120
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On 11/27/15 7:11 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/27/2015 6:55 PM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 11/27/15 5:38 PM, John H. wrote: On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 22:44:25 -0500, Justan Olphart wrote: On 11/26/2015 9:40 PM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 11/26/15 9:03 PM, John H. wrote: On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 10:12:37 -0500, Justan Olphart wrote: On 11/26/2015 10:00 AM, John H. wrote: On Wed, 25 Nov 2015 11:33:11 -0500, Justan Olphart wrote: On 11/25/2015 10:25 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 11/25/15 10:15 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 11/25/2015 10:13 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 11/25/15 10:10 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 11/25/2015 10:03 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 11/25/15 7:41 AM, John H. wrote: On Tue, 24 Nov 2015 18:08:32 -0600, Boating All Out wrote: Will coverage of cop the killing a teen in Chicago be another 24/7 story? Can they manage two 24/7 stories? We'll see. The video definitely makes the cop appear in the wrong. But, a first degree murder charge has been filed. What more do the marchers want. Is this an excuse to begin looting and burning in Chicago? -- You probably didn't understand the civil rights demonstrations and marches of the 1960s, either. Point to ponder: In the 400 days since this cop committed this obvious murder, 396 blacks were shot and killed by another black in the Chicago area. Do they not understand the civil rights demonstrations and marches of the 1960s or that Black Lives Matter either? You don't "get it," either, eh? Yes Harry, I "get it". Probably better than you do. I don't think so. The 1960's demonstrations/marches were mostly against institutional racism and violence. The Chicago demonstration, such as it was, was also against institutional racism and violence. Police murder of blacks seems to be endemic these days. Institutional violence. We have, what, 30,000+ "deaths by gun" and mostly involving non-police individuals in this country each year. Peculiarly 'Merican, eh? How many by suicide? How many black on black? How many while a crime was being committed? How many with drug involvement? How many accidental? How many by illegal immigrants? If you have a point to make, make it. Otherwise admit that you are just parroting a statistic without having a clue as to what it implies. Am I right, O' clueless one? That one's probably way too hard for Krause to answer. -- Ban idiots, not guns! He's afraid of what I might say in response to his answer. The questions asked are easily answered with a little digging. When he's obviously put in a corner, he keeps his mouth shut. Most of the time he doesn't realize he was in a corner, opens his mouth, and looks even more stupid. -- Ban idiots, not guns! Apparently you right wing trashmeisters can't read. I've often stated I don't read FlaJim's posts firsthand and I usually ignore them when they get reposted, and I usually don't respond when another right wing trashmeister like you tries, and tries, and tries, et cetera. I really find that hard to believe, Harry. Only 'cause it's unbelievable. -- Ban idiots, not guns! 99.9% of FlaJim's comments here are totally devoid of content, which is one reason of many not to bother with them. Just the other day you said you only saw a miniscule number of his posts and only when they are quoted by others. Now you say that 99.9% of his posts are totally devoid of content. How do you know that if you only see a small fraction of them? I'm extrapolating from the few I see and I'm recalling some of what he posted in the past. |
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