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Is Paris/Isis Over?
On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 11:37:21 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote: On 11/26/15 10:42 AM, wrote: On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 08:42:03 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: Mr. Luddite wrote: Chicago Mayor: Rahm Emanuel .... Democrat Superintendent of Police: Garry McCarthy ... appointed by Rahm Emanuel State Attorney - Cook County: Anita Alvarez ... Democrat Wow...you've really gone over to the dark side. ? His point is, what is everyone protesting? You mean, other than yet another cop killing someone who shouldn't have been killed? He is a murder who killed a black guy. It happens at least once a day there. I would understand the protest if he wasn't charged but they are bringing a capital case against him. What do they want? |
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#53
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Is Paris/Isis Over?
On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 11:44:14 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: On 11/26/2015 11:37 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 11/26/15 10:42 AM, wrote: On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 08:42:03 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: Mr. Luddite wrote: Chicago Mayor: Rahm Emanuel .... Democrat Superintendent of Police: Garry McCarthy ... appointed by Rahm Emanuel State Attorney - Cook County: Anita Alvarez ... Democrat Wow...you've really gone over to the dark side. ? His point is, what is everyone protesting? You mean, other than yet another cop killing someone who shouldn't have been killed? Bad cop. No doubt. Bound to be a few considering there are over a million in the USA. Who knows the reasons why? I can think of a few. But why 14 months? That is an interesting question but I bet there was a whole lot of negotiating going on and a pretty extensive investigation for them to bring this charge ... assuming they really want it to stick. I still say he will plead insanity and come up with some kind of Chicago cop syndrome. Maybe that is what they were trying to blunt. They really want this to go away quietly. Nothing would be worse than a media hyped trial that the DA loses. |
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#54
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Is Paris/Isis Over?
On 11/26/15 1:21 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 11:36:04 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 11/26/15 10:30 AM, wrote: On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 07:27:45 +0000, RGrew176 wrote: Keyser Söze;1049568 Wrote: On 11/25/15 12:00 PM, wrote:- On Wed, 25 Nov 2015 10:03:39 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: - On 11/25/15 7:41 AM, John H. wrote:- On Tue, 24 Nov 2015 18:08:32 -0600, Boating All Out wrote: Will coverage of cop the killing a teen in Chicago be another 24/7 story? Can they manage two 24/7 stories? We'll see. The video definitely makes the cop appear in the wrong. But, a first degree murder charge has been filed. What more do the marchers want. Is this an excuse to begin looting and burning in Chicago? --- You probably didn't understand the civil rights demonstrations and marches of the 1960s, either.- Those demonstrations were because they felt their grievances were not being heard. Charging an on duty cop with murder 1 is far from that. It is clear that the Chicago DA was doing more than a reasonable reaction. He better add murder 2 and manslaughter as lesser included charges or you might have a Zimmerman moment. It is going to be hard to make a murder 1 case although murder 2 is possible and manslaughter is reasonable. Without a death penalty, there is really not a significant difference in sentencing. In most states you can still do "life" for murder 2. As prisons get more crowded "life" really means "until you get so old and sick that we can't afford to keep you" anyway. - It took 13 months for an indictment, and I think that only came about because a journalist filed an FOIA and the tapes had to be released. Thirteen months for an indictment? That's bull****, when you have tapes in hand. Might be more indictments. Apparently there was a coverup and part of that involved cop erasures of video tapes from nearby security cameras. The tape they have is going to be near impossible to refute. Emptying your magazine into a guy who you've already shot and who is on the ground...that's going to be tough to defend, eh? I wonder if the cop will cop a plea. Agreed, with what is on the tape an indictment should have come within 60 days if even that long. If they are really going for a murder 1 charge, they needed to get their ducks in a row and a big part of that was dealing with the union. This is Chicago, where they are scared of the janitor's union, the police union scares the hell out of them. Life in prison is a long time, this guy wasn't going anywhere. There is plenty of punishment left for him ... if he doesn't eat his gun. Maybe that is what they were waiting for. Do you have anything other than your hatred of unions to support your claim of "dealing with the union"? I mean something real. If you don't think any legal issue with a cop will not involve the union, you are in denial. The union is probably paying for his attorney. Well, of course. But your implications go far beyond the union providing a lawyer or money for one, and support for their member. That's what unions do. I would expect the union's lawyer to provide a strong defense, as any defense lawyer would. |
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#55
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Is Paris/Isis Over?
On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 13:40:12 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote: On 11/26/15 1:21 PM, wrote: On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 11:36:04 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 11/26/15 10:30 AM, wrote: On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 07:27:45 +0000, RGrew176 wrote: Keyser Söze;1049568 Wrote: On 11/25/15 12:00 PM, wrote:- On Wed, 25 Nov 2015 10:03:39 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: - On 11/25/15 7:41 AM, John H. wrote:- On Tue, 24 Nov 2015 18:08:32 -0600, Boating All Out wrote: Will coverage of cop the killing a teen in Chicago be another 24/7 story? Can they manage two 24/7 stories? We'll see. The video definitely makes the cop appear in the wrong. But, a first degree murder charge has been filed. What more do the marchers want. Is this an excuse to begin looting and burning in Chicago? --- You probably didn't understand the civil rights demonstrations and marches of the 1960s, either.- Those demonstrations were because they felt their grievances were not being heard. Charging an on duty cop with murder 1 is far from that. It is clear that the Chicago DA was doing more than a reasonable reaction. He better add murder 2 and manslaughter as lesser included charges or you might have a Zimmerman moment. It is going to be hard to make a murder 1 case although murder 2 is possible and manslaughter is reasonable. Without a death penalty, there is really not a significant difference in sentencing. In most states you can still do "life" for murder 2. As prisons get more crowded "life" really means "until you get so old and sick that we can't afford to keep you" anyway. - It took 13 months for an indictment, and I think that only came about because a journalist filed an FOIA and the tapes had to be released. Thirteen months for an indictment? That's bull****, when you have tapes in hand. Might be more indictments. Apparently there was a coverup and part of that involved cop erasures of video tapes from nearby security cameras. The tape they have is going to be near impossible to refute. Emptying your magazine into a guy who you've already shot and who is on the ground...that's going to be tough to defend, eh? I wonder if the cop will cop a plea. Agreed, with what is on the tape an indictment should have come within 60 days if even that long. If they are really going for a murder 1 charge, they needed to get their ducks in a row and a big part of that was dealing with the union. This is Chicago, where they are scared of the janitor's union, the police union scares the hell out of them. Life in prison is a long time, this guy wasn't going anywhere. There is plenty of punishment left for him ... if he doesn't eat his gun. Maybe that is what they were waiting for. Do you have anything other than your hatred of unions to support your claim of "dealing with the union"? I mean something real. If you don't think any legal issue with a cop will not involve the union, you are in denial. The union is probably paying for his attorney. Well, of course. But your implications go far beyond the union providing a lawyer or money for one, and support for their member. That's what unions do. I would expect the union's lawyer to provide a strong defense, as any defense lawyer would. That is plenty if you are trying to delay the proceedings. The worst case is if the union actively "protested" the charges and had a little case of "blue flu". I think this was a bad shoot and they should fry this guy but I also believe they do not want to rush it, make some technical errors and get the thing thrown out. Nobody wants a surprise, like finding out this guy was an undisclosed schizophrenic or manic depressive, given a government gun and turned loose on the public. |
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#56
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Is Paris/Isis Over?
On 11/26/15 3:19 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 13:40:12 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 11/26/15 1:21 PM, wrote: On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 11:36:04 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 11/26/15 10:30 AM, wrote: On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 07:27:45 +0000, RGrew176 wrote: Keyser Söze;1049568 Wrote: On 11/25/15 12:00 PM, wrote:- On Wed, 25 Nov 2015 10:03:39 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: - On 11/25/15 7:41 AM, John H. wrote:- On Tue, 24 Nov 2015 18:08:32 -0600, Boating All Out wrote: Will coverage of cop the killing a teen in Chicago be another 24/7 story? Can they manage two 24/7 stories? We'll see. The video definitely makes the cop appear in the wrong. But, a first degree murder charge has been filed. What more do the marchers want. Is this an excuse to begin looting and burning in Chicago? --- You probably didn't understand the civil rights demonstrations and marches of the 1960s, either.- Those demonstrations were because they felt their grievances were not being heard. Charging an on duty cop with murder 1 is far from that. It is clear that the Chicago DA was doing more than a reasonable reaction. He better add murder 2 and manslaughter as lesser included charges or you might have a Zimmerman moment. It is going to be hard to make a murder 1 case although murder 2 is possible and manslaughter is reasonable. Without a death penalty, there is really not a significant difference in sentencing. In most states you can still do "life" for murder 2. As prisons get more crowded "life" really means "until you get so old and sick that we can't afford to keep you" anyway. - It took 13 months for an indictment, and I think that only came about because a journalist filed an FOIA and the tapes had to be released. Thirteen months for an indictment? That's bull****, when you have tapes in hand. Might be more indictments. Apparently there was a coverup and part of that involved cop erasures of video tapes from nearby security cameras. The tape they have is going to be near impossible to refute. Emptying your magazine into a guy who you've already shot and who is on the ground...that's going to be tough to defend, eh? I wonder if the cop will cop a plea. Agreed, with what is on the tape an indictment should have come within 60 days if even that long. If they are really going for a murder 1 charge, they needed to get their ducks in a row and a big part of that was dealing with the union. This is Chicago, where they are scared of the janitor's union, the police union scares the hell out of them. Life in prison is a long time, this guy wasn't going anywhere. There is plenty of punishment left for him ... if he doesn't eat his gun. Maybe that is what they were waiting for. Do you have anything other than your hatred of unions to support your claim of "dealing with the union"? I mean something real. If you don't think any legal issue with a cop will not involve the union, you are in denial. The union is probably paying for his attorney. Well, of course. But your implications go far beyond the union providing a lawyer or money for one, and support for their member. That's what unions do. I would expect the union's lawyer to provide a strong defense, as any defense lawyer would. That is plenty if you are trying to delay the proceedings. The worst case is if the union actively "protested" the charges and had a little case of "blue flu". I think this was a bad shoot and they should fry this guy but I also believe they do not want to rush it, make some technical errors and get the thing thrown out. Nobody wants a surprise, like finding out this guy was an undisclosed schizophrenic or manic depressive, given a government gun and turned loose on the public. The union can do whatever it wishes to do, within the requirements of law. The first year I worked for the NEA, I took a number of teachers unions out on strike at their request. It was illegal, but the penalty at that time was simply to lose two days pay for each day on strike. It was about the only tool the teachers had to force the administrators to negotiate for a new contract. It was an effective tool. The teachers were not looking for anything massive, but the law said there had to be good faith negotiations...and the strikes helped make that happen. Like many righties, you think capital/management is more important than labor. I don't. |
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#57
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Is Paris/Isis Over?
On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 16:12:53 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote: The teachers were not looking for anything massive, but the law said there had to be good faith negotiations...and the strikes helped make that happen. === Unions willing to break the law are guilty of extortion. Teachers work hard for their money but salaries, and paticularly benefits, have gotten out of line with private industry. This will cause a major crisis at some point and force many local school districts into bankruptcy. |
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#58
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Is Paris/Isis Over?
On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 16:12:53 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote: On 11/26/15 3:19 PM, wrote: Well, of course. But your implications go far beyond the union providing a lawyer or money for one, and support for their member. That's what unions do. I would expect the union's lawyer to provide a strong defense, as any defense lawyer would. That is plenty if you are trying to delay the proceedings. The worst case is if the union actively "protested" the charges and had a little case of "blue flu". I think this was a bad shoot and they should fry this guy but I also believe they do not want to rush it, make some technical errors and get the thing thrown out. Nobody wants a surprise, like finding out this guy was an undisclosed schizophrenic or manic depressive, given a government gun and turned loose on the public. The union can do whatever it wishes to do, within the requirements of law. The first year I worked for the NEA, I took a number of teachers unions out on strike at their request. It was illegal, but the penalty at that time was simply to lose two days pay for each day on strike. It was about the only tool the teachers had to force the administrators to negotiate for a new contract. It was an effective tool. The teachers were not looking for anything massive, but the law said there had to be good faith negotiations...and the strikes helped make that happen. Like many righties, you think capital/management is more important than labor. I don't. So now you are saying the union might have some clout in this investigation. Certainly public sector unions are usually barred from striking but you say you defied that law and feel justified in doing it. You just made my case. I am sure there are a significant number of Chicago cops who support their brother, particularly the active union members. The lawyer is on TV right now saying their position is he was in fear for his life. The last thing Chicago needs in this crime wave is the cops refusing to take calls in black neighborhoods because they think they will be prosecuted if things go bad. |
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#60
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On 11/26/15 6:35 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 16:12:53 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 11/26/15 3:19 PM, wrote: Well, of course. But your implications go far beyond the union providing a lawyer or money for one, and support for their member. That's what unions do. I would expect the union's lawyer to provide a strong defense, as any defense lawyer would. That is plenty if you are trying to delay the proceedings. The worst case is if the union actively "protested" the charges and had a little case of "blue flu". I think this was a bad shoot and they should fry this guy but I also believe they do not want to rush it, make some technical errors and get the thing thrown out. Nobody wants a surprise, like finding out this guy was an undisclosed schizophrenic or manic depressive, given a government gun and turned loose on the public. The union can do whatever it wishes to do, within the requirements of law. The first year I worked for the NEA, I took a number of teachers unions out on strike at their request. It was illegal, but the penalty at that time was simply to lose two days pay for each day on strike. It was about the only tool the teachers had to force the administrators to negotiate for a new contract. It was an effective tool. The teachers were not looking for anything massive, but the law said there had to be good faith negotiations...and the strikes helped make that happen. Like many righties, you think capital/management is more important than labor. I don't. So now you are saying the union might have some clout in this investigation. Certainly public sector unions are usually barred from striking but you say you defied that law and feel justified in doing it. You just made my case. I am sure there are a significant number of Chicago cops who support their brother, particularly the active union members. The lawyer is on TV right now saying their position is he was in fear for his life. The last thing Chicago needs in this crime wave is the cops refusing to take calls in black neighborhoods because they think they will be prosecuted if things go bad. No, I did not say the union had "clout" in the investigation. |
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