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Navy Carrier Pilots - Overpaid?
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On Fri, 13 Feb 2015 12:34:12 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/13/15 12:25 PM, wrote: On Fri, 13 Feb 2015 12:12:42 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/13/15 11:26 AM, Abit Loco wrote: On 13 Feb 2015 15:07:09 GMT, Keyser Söze wrote: Abit Loco wrote: Now I see why these folks are all chewing gum so hard. A couple of great videos. My butt was puckering just watching the videos. Yawn and I'll bet it was. Why are you pimping for the military? I've always appreciated our military, Krause. I've got a bunch of grandkids I'd love to see in a military academy some day. I'm hoping mine go to MIT, Harvard, or CalTech. Not Kansas? No. That state has moved back to the 19th Century, or maybe the 18th. Did Kansas ever get out of the 19th century? For a while. Now it is controlled by the Christian Taliban. -- Sent from my iPhone 6+ |
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Navy Carrier Pilots - Overpaid?
On Fri, 13 Feb 2015 13:21:48 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: On 2/13/2015 12:58 PM, Abit Loco wrote: On Fri, 13 Feb 2015 12:30:35 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Fri, 13 Feb 2015 11:02:25 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 2/13/2015 10:53 AM, Wayne.B wrote: On Fri, 13 Feb 2015 08:48:05 -0500, Abit Loco wrote: Now I see why these folks are all chewing gum so hard. A couple of great videos. Part One http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=4gGMI8d3vLs Part Two http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=S0yj70QbBzg My butt was puckering just watching the videos. === Good vids John, thanks for posting. That has to be one of the scariest jobs in the world. The son of one of our neighbors was doing it for a while but recently retired. He was top gun in his training group about the time we moved to Florida and his parents were justifiably proud. Interesting when one of the pilots commented that landing on a pitching deck was more dangerous than flying combat missions. I'll bet the CO of that carrier was kicking himself for allowing "training". === Dangerous as it is they probably feel a need to practice and train for adverse conditions. After all, you don't get a chance to pick ideal weather for combat operations. There must be a set of guidelines for when they can fly He cut the training short, from what I understood, so the Captain must have realized he was skating on thin ice. I think so also. Even when it was called off they had a hell of a time recovering all the planes and pilots. I'll bet they didn't plan on it being night ops. Risky things are done at times during warfare but the risks here were not necessary. How often are you sailing in seas like that? === It's easy to understand how a situation like that develops however. The captain no doubt had orders to go out and conduct practice excercises. Conditions were probably a bit better when they started and within training guidelines. No captain wants to abort a mission that's been ordered from above unless there is a very clear cut reason to do so. You get ahead in the military by getting things done and overcoming adversity. Of course once you send planes up, you've got to get them down and that's where things started to get hairy. There were repeated "go arounds" and planes had to be refueled in mid-air. That all takes extra time and conditions probably deteriorated along the way making things even worse. |
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Navy Carrier Pilots - Overpaid?
On 2/13/2015 1:42 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 13 Feb 2015 13:21:48 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 2/13/2015 12:58 PM, Abit Loco wrote: On Fri, 13 Feb 2015 12:30:35 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Fri, 13 Feb 2015 11:02:25 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 2/13/2015 10:53 AM, Wayne.B wrote: On Fri, 13 Feb 2015 08:48:05 -0500, Abit Loco wrote: Now I see why these folks are all chewing gum so hard. A couple of great videos. Part One http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=4gGMI8d3vLs Part Two http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=S0yj70QbBzg My butt was puckering just watching the videos. === Good vids John, thanks for posting. That has to be one of the scariest jobs in the world. The son of one of our neighbors was doing it for a while but recently retired. He was top gun in his training group about the time we moved to Florida and his parents were justifiably proud. Interesting when one of the pilots commented that landing on a pitching deck was more dangerous than flying combat missions. I'll bet the CO of that carrier was kicking himself for allowing "training". === Dangerous as it is they probably feel a need to practice and train for adverse conditions. After all, you don't get a chance to pick ideal weather for combat operations. There must be a set of guidelines for when they can fly He cut the training short, from what I understood, so the Captain must have realized he was skating on thin ice. I think so also. Even when it was called off they had a hell of a time recovering all the planes and pilots. I'll bet they didn't plan on it being night ops. Risky things are done at times during warfare but the risks here were not necessary. How often are you sailing in seas like that? === It's easy to understand how a situation like that develops however. The captain no doubt had orders to go out and conduct practice excercises. Conditions were probably a bit better when they started and within training guidelines. No captain wants to abort a mission that's been ordered from above unless there is a very clear cut reason to do so. You get ahead in the military by getting things done and overcoming adversity. Of course once you send planes up, you've got to get them down and that's where things started to get hairy. There were repeated "go arounds" and planes had to be refueled in mid-air. That all takes extra time and conditions probably deteriorated along the way making things even worse. Been a while since Navy days but I don't think the captain of a ship gets orders from above to conduct training. Training is a normal ship's routine while underway and the scheduling is done at the local command. Another issue is the chain of command on a carrier. The pilots and planes are squadrons that embark on the carrier when it is deployed. The squadron has it's own CO who is also responsible for training. But, the ship's captain has the final say. |
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Abit Loco wrote:
Now I see why these folks are all chewing gum so hard. A couple of great videos. Part One http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=4gGMI8d3vLs Part Two http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=S0yj70QbBzg My butt was puckering just watching the videos. That's some awesome stuff! --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com |
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Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/13/15 11:26 AM, Abit Loco wrote: On 13 Feb 2015 15:07:09 GMT, Keyser Söze wrote: Abit Loco wrote: Now I see why these folks are all chewing gum so hard. A couple of great videos. My butt was puckering just watching the videos. Yawn and I'll bet it was. Why are you pimping for the military? I've always appreciated our military, Krause. I've got a bunch of grandkids I'd love to see in a military academy some day. I'm hoping mine go to MIT, Harvard, or CalTech. They don't know you exist and rightfully so. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com |
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Navy Carrier Pilots - Overpaid?
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Abit Loco wrote: Now I see why these folks are all chewing gum so hard. A couple of great videos. Part One http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=4gGMI8d3vLs Part Two http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=S0yj70QbBzg My butt was puckering just watching the videos. That's some awesome stuff! --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com I have a friend who was a Marine carrier pilot, two tours in Vietnam. Said the hardest part of the selection test was lining up a couple paddles in a long box. Said that washed out more pilot wannabes than anything else. Was a depth perception test. |
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On Friday, February 13, 2015 at 12:12:44 PM UTC-5, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/13/15 11:26 AM, Abit Loco wrote: On 13 Feb 2015 15:07:09 GMT, Keyser Söze wrote: Abit Loco wrote: Now I see why these folks are all chewing gum so hard. A couple of great videos. My butt was puckering just watching the videos. Yawn and I'll bet it was. Why are you pimping for the military? I've always appreciated our military, Krause. I've got a bunch of grandkids I'd love to see in a military academy some day. I'm hoping mine go to MIT, Harvard, or CalTech. -- Proud to be a Liberal. Those are some great choices, Harry. I hope they get in. I'm sure they'll excel should they do so. |
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Navy Carrier Pilots - Overpaid?
On Sun, 15 Feb 2015 18:48:01 -0500, KC wrote:
Might have told this one before but a friend of mine was a pilot in Vietnam and after spent a long career flying freight for American Airlines. A few years after retirement, in the early 90's I was at his house and he had a huge computer screen with a full yoke and pedals and was flying a Flight Simulator, I think it was the Microsoft package. I had never seen one before with the full hand and foot controls, it was pretty cool... After watching him fly for some time during our conversation that day I asked him "what happens when you crash the thing?". Wondering what the software package did and his answer caught me off guard. He said, "I don't know, I would never crash it".... To me that was weird, but I accepted it and still do. === I remember the orignal Microsoft Flight Simulator that ran on the early IBM PCs using keyboard controls to fly the plane. If you crashed, and just about everyone did, it would make a very abrupt crunching sound and the windshield image would shatter. It was a bit unnerving the first time it happened to you. |
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Navy Carrier Pilots - Overpaid?
On Monday, February 16, 2015 at 12:25:26 PM UTC-5, John H. wrote:
The big difference between simulators/real airplanes and RC airplanes - in sims or real planes, the nose of the plane is in front of you. With an RC plane, at least part of the time, the nose is pointed at you. That means the left and right controls are reversed. This, I believe, is what causes the most problems, at least for me. Another related difference is that pilots in a real plane has a seat of the pants, first person view. Not so with RC. Something that helps newbies to RC is that when the airplane is flying towards you and the controls are reversed, your can turn your body so the transmitter is faced the same way as the plane, but look back over your shoulder at the plane. That way the stick moves to the right, the plane moves to the right. It's a crutch, but with some more stick time it'll come naturally. |
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