On 2/18/2015 9:19 AM, KC wrote:
On 2/17/2015 12:16 PM, Abit Loco wrote:
On Mon, 16 Feb 2015 19:08:08 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/16/2015 6:31 PM, wrote:
On Monday, February 16, 2015 at 12:25:26 PM UTC-5, John H. wrote:

The big difference between simulators/real airplanes and RC
airplanes - in sims or
real planes, the nose of the plane is in front of you. With an RC
plane, at least
part of the time, the nose is pointed at you. That means the left
and right controls
are reversed. This, I believe, is what causes the most problems, at
least for me.

Another related difference is that pilots in a real plane has a seat
of the pants, first person view. Not so with RC.

Something that helps newbies to RC is that when the airplane is
flying towards you and the controls are reversed, your can turn your
body so the transmitter is faced the same way as the plane, but look
back over your shoulder at the plane. That way the stick moves to
the right, the plane moves to the right. It's a crutch, but with
some more stick time it'll come naturally.



I don't think there's much at all in common comparing RC flying and
flying a real airplane. Speed scale is totally different. Turns
and maneuvers are not anything close to being realistic to flying an
airplane.

I see it as a fun hobby for many but to compare it to actually flying
an airplane it isn't even close.


Many of the airplanes flown at our field fly in excess of 100mph - and
that's
measured by radar.

One of our guys has one of these:
http://www.modelairplanenews.com/blo...ini-radar-gun/


They measure real speed, not scale speed.

Since I've never flown a real airplane, I can't argue your 'turns and
maneuvers'
statement. I know that if I bank my airplane using the ailerons and
don't give it
some up elevator, it will head for the dirt. Perhaps you could tell us
what the big
differences are.

I'm thinking the biggest difference is that my crash isn't going to
kill anyone. Oh,
and my pre-flight checklist is shorter!


Has anybody mentioned the seat of the pants feeling? I mean, that must
help you fly in some respect feeling the plane under you?


"Seat of the pants" flying is something that a person with a natural
pilot aptitude develops. I never have. At one point in the flight
instruction period my CFI commented that engineering types often have a
tough time developing a "feel" for the airplane. We tend to be too
analytical and fly "by the books". He was right. I took me longer
than normal to feel totally comfortable flying.

On Wed, 18 Feb 2015 14:48:41 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 2/18/2015 8:45 AM, Abit Loco wrote:
On Tue, 17 Feb 2015 20:43:23 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 2/17/2015 8:22 PM, Abit Loco wrote:
On Tue, 17 Feb 2015 19:03:38 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 2/17/2015 6:11 PM, Abit Loco wrote:
On Tue, 17 Feb 2015 14:47:49 -0800 (PST), True North wrote:

I'm not sure it's a good idea to encourage Johnny to try real flying.
If he has half the problems with a real plane as he does with his toy versions....Lord help the local folk.

You have to admit, it's kind of fun watching Krause and Eriksson 'gang up' on Herring
over something so ridiculous.

What a laugh!


Ganging up?

I told you that I am not knocking your RC flying hobby. It's fun for many.

You are the one who is trying to convince me and others that flying a RC
airplane is similar to real flying.

There are similarities. Period. That's all anyone here has said.

I think that ingrained pilot arrogance is rearing its ugly head.

Done for today. Sleep well.



I can more clearly understand why some consider you an asshole.
I wasn't looking for a fight nor was I boasting about having a pilot's
license. I acknowledged that I wasn't knocking your hobby and I
acknowledged that I am not a "natural" pilot and didn't particularly
find it relaxing or even fun.

Coulda fooled the **** right out of me!

You are the one who asked what the differences where. I tried to
present a few and you respond with the pilot arrogance thing.

It was not me who responded with the pilot arrogance thing, although I'll admit to
using the word later.


You remind me of an old lady sometimes. Amazing that you made it in the
Army for so long.

Good morning!

Some consider me an asshole because I'm assholish.


You are catching on.


Either agree with Eriksson or be an asshole. I'll take the latter. No sweat.
--

Guns don't cause problems. The behavior
of certain gun owners causes problems.

On 2/18/2015 3:07 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 18 Feb 2015 14:44:12 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

BTW ... in response to someone else's comment ... I
pursued and got my ticket years before I had much extra $$ to spend.
It was a dream I had since I was a little kid and I am very glad to have
accomplished it even though it turns out it was not something I wanted
to stay heavily involved in.


I know several pilots and they all say it is a rich man's hobby. Just
keeping one of those little "Buddy Holly" planes up to FAA specs is
like owning a second home.
All the work needs to be done by a licensed mechanic and parts make
boat parts look like peanuts.



I never had any interest in buying an airplane. Cheaper to rent.

On 2/18/15 3:00 PM, Stick Left-Steer Left wrote:
On Wed, 18 Feb 2015 14:48:41 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 2/18/2015 8:45 AM, Abit Loco wrote:
On Tue, 17 Feb 2015 20:43:23 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 2/17/2015 8:22 PM, Abit Loco wrote:
On Tue, 17 Feb 2015 19:03:38 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 2/17/2015 6:11 PM, Abit Loco wrote:
On Tue, 17 Feb 2015 14:47:49 -0800 (PST), True North wrote:

I'm not sure it's a good idea to encourage Johnny to try real flying.
If he has half the problems with a real plane as he does with his toy versions....Lord help the local folk.

You have to admit, it's kind of fun watching Krause and Eriksson 'gang up' on Herring
over something so ridiculous.

What a laugh!


Ganging up?

I told you that I am not knocking your RC flying hobby. It's fun for many.

You are the one who is trying to convince me and others that flying a RC
airplane is similar to real flying.

There are similarities. Period. That's all anyone here has said.

I think that ingrained pilot arrogance is rearing its ugly head.

Done for today. Sleep well.



I can more clearly understand why some consider you an asshole.
I wasn't looking for a fight nor was I boasting about having a pilot's
license. I acknowledged that I wasn't knocking your hobby and I
acknowledged that I am not a "natural" pilot and didn't particularly
find it relaxing or even fun.

Coulda fooled the **** right out of me!

You are the one who asked what the differences where. I tried to
present a few and you respond with the pilot arrogance thing.

It was not me who responded with the pilot arrogance thing, although I'll admit to
using the word later.


You remind me of an old lady sometimes. Amazing that you made it in the
Army for so long.

Good morning!

Some consider me an asshole because I'm assholish.


You are catching on.


Either agree with Eriksson or be an asshole. I'll take the latter. No sweat.



I suggest you are tripping over...yourself.

--
Proud to be a Liberal.

On Wed, 18 Feb 2015 13:43:24 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

You must be approaching 30 posts so far today on your toy
airplanes...will you set a record? Stay tuned.

===

Putz.

On Wed, 18 Feb 2015 15:07:12 -0500, wrote:

All the work needs to be done by a licensed mechanic and parts make
boat parts look like peanuts.

===

Every single part has to be certified and traceable back to its place
and date of manufacture.

On Wed, 18 Feb 2015 15:37:57 -0500, Wayne.B wrote:

On Wed, 18 Feb 2015 15:07:12 -0500, wrote:

All the work needs to be done by a licensed mechanic and parts make
boat parts look like peanuts.

===

Every single part has to be certified and traceable back to its place
and date of manufacture.

You can't buy 'em out behind the shed from someone's trunk at a 'plane show' in
Virginia?

Well, ****. Guess I'll have to do without.
--

Guns don't cause problems. The behavior
of certain gun owners causes problems.

On 2/18/15 4:05 PM, Stick Left-Steer Left wrote:
On Wed, 18 Feb 2015 15:37:57 -0500, Wayne.B wrote:

On Wed, 18 Feb 2015 15:07:12 -0500, wrote:

All the work needs to be done by a licensed mechanic and parts make
boat parts look like peanuts.

===

Every single part has to be certified and traceable back to its place
and date of manufacture.

You can't buy 'em out behind the shed from someone's trunk at a 'plane show' in
Virginia?

Well, ****. Guess I'll have to do without.



Somewhere along the line, someone must have told you they thought you
were clever or funny.

They were wrong.

--
Proud to be a Liberal.

On Wednesday, February 18, 2015 at 4:21:45 PM UTC-5, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/18/15 4:05 PM, Stick Left-Steer Left wrote:
On Wed, 18 Feb 2015 15:37:57 -0500, Wayne.B wrote:

On Wed, 18 Feb 2015 15:07:12 -0500, wrote:

All the work needs to be done by a licensed mechanic and parts make
boat parts look like peanuts.

===

Every single part has to be certified and traceable back to its place
and date of manufacture.

You can't buy 'em out behind the shed from someone's trunk at a 'plane show' in
Virginia?

Well, ****. Guess I'll have to do without.



Somewhere along the line, someone must have told you they thought you
were clever or funny.

They were wrong.

Somewhere along the way, someone must have told you that you could recognize clever or funny.

They were delusional.

Ya'll have fun for the next few days. We'll be in a much warmer place for some downtime.

Tim, you're in charge.

On 2/18/2015 4:05 PM, Stick Left-Steer Left wrote:
On Wed, 18 Feb 2015 15:37:57 -0500, Wayne.B wrote:

On Wed, 18 Feb 2015 15:07:12 -0500, wrote:

All the work needs to be done by a licensed mechanic and parts make
boat parts look like peanuts.

===

Every single part has to be certified and traceable back to its place
and date of manufacture.

You can't buy 'em out behind the shed from someone's trunk at a 'plane show' in
Virginia?

Well, ****. Guess I'll have to do without.


There are a lot of very airworthy and proven "experimental" aircraft out
there. Are they held to the same standard as registered aircraft? There
is a huge rc club down by our practice track. I have seen everything
from gas and electric rc planes to manned single seat eggbeaters and
several kinds of ultra light paragliders, etc take off and fly around there.