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Update on ecigs...
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says... On 2/29/12 4:11 PM, JustWait wrote: On 2/29/2012 3:43 PM, wrote: On Wed, 29 Feb 2012 12:03:04 -0500, X ` Man wrote: Nah. The general disdain for cigarettes isn't going to portmanteau into general disdain for boats. You must not have manatees up there in "Cawlvert county". There is a very vocal group around here who would ban all power boats in vast stretches of water. They will use any kind of junk science that becomes available. If they ever figure out you can set the threshold limit value of emissions to zero like we have done with tobacco smoke, power boats could go the way of asbestos pot holders. Your problems with manatees and manatee lovers is not "general disdain" for boats or boaters. We have lots of active boaters up here, and I've not seen much aimed at curtailing the activities of those who behave responsibly on the water. How many "no motor zones" do you have up there? That is starting to be a popular thing here. I saw something the other day that said they were going to "no motor" a big chunk of Biscane bay. There are a few around here already. It is not just the manatee thing. You also have pressures from paddlers and blow boat people. That's exactly where I am coming from. I used to be a member of a paddling group but their egocentric, and militant attitude toward anybody that wasn't well, them, got old quick... When you have a finite resource and infinite numbers of people who want to use it, you either establish reasonable rules or you have chaos. The waterways do not exist for the sole pleasure of powerboaters. Nor do they exist for the sole pleasure of blow boaters or paddlers. The rivers and waterways are for commerce. Pleasure comes second. |
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#213
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Update on ecigs...
In article , lid says...
On 2/28/2012 4:27 AM, BAR wrote: In , lid says... So you do understand my thoughts on religion. I don't think anyone understands you. Your mind is warped, your views are off the charts and you are generally an unpleasent person. The analogy seems to have made you uncomfortable. Harry has tried to bring me under his wing many times before. It hasn't worked in the past and it won't work this time. |
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#214
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Update on ecigs...
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says... On 2/29/12 12:08 PM, JustWait wrote: On 2/29/2012 12:03 PM, X ` Man wrote: On 2/29/12 11:48 AM, wrote: On Wed, 29 Feb 2012 06:35:15 -0500, X ` Man wrote: On 2/28/12 11:02 PM, wrote: On Tue, 28 Feb 2012 16:35:06 -0500, X ` Man wrote: Cigarette smoke is not one of those trade-off thingies you like so much. It's like Hitler...there's no reason to compromise about it...it's all bad and *anything* that can be done to eliminate cigarettes is a good thing. We just have to hope the environmental weenies do not use second hand smoke as a precedent (infinitesimally small trace amounts of a chemical) to come after our BOATS (just to stay on topic). No matter how clean burning your engine is, there are still trace amounts of all sorts of chemicals in the exhaust. They could even cite the fiberglass that out gases for years or the paints and preservatives used on wood. Bottom paint is a super fund site compared to SHS. Somehow I bet you think these are all harmless because they meet some threshold limit value.. I can't do much more than giggle at your attempts to build your case here. Sorry. It is simply because you refuse to accept your prejudice. Nah. The general disdain for cigarettes isn't going to portmanteau into general disdain for boats. You must not have manatees up there in "Cawlvert county". There is a very vocal group around here who would ban all power boats in vast stretches of water. They will use any kind of junk science that becomes available. If they ever figure out you can set the threshold limit value of emissions to zero like we have done with tobacco smoke, power boats could go the way of asbestos pot holders. Your problems with manatees and manatee lovers is not "general disdain" for boats or boaters. We have lots of active boaters up here, and I've not seen much aimed at curtailing the activities of those who behave responsibly on the water. Who gets to decide whats responsible activity on the water? Someone who loves powerboats, someone who loves sailboats, or the guy who has a home on the water and only wants kayaks out there? To a degree, all the stakeholders should have some say. As an example, if you live on a moderately sized lake and suddenly there is an infestation of unmuffled "penis" boats zooming close by your house every Sunday morning at 8 am, you should have input into whether that sort of behavior is "responsible." When we lived in the St. Augustine area near the ICW, I was part of an effort to "ban" airboats from the shallow estuaries and marshlands in the immediate area because of their noise and the physical damage they were doing. The owners of these boats were not acting responsibly. Note I didn't say banned from the waterways. What about the guy next door in your cookie cutter sub-division who decides that he needs to run his penis extension lawn mower at 8 am on Sunday. What's the difference? You don't own the lake, sucks to be you. |
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#215
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Update on ecigs...
In article , dump-on-
says... On 2/29/12 12:33 PM, JustWait wrote: On 2/29/2012 12:24 PM, X ` Man wrote: On 2/29/12 12:08 PM, JustWait wrote: On 2/29/2012 12:03 PM, X ` Man wrote: On 2/29/12 11:48 AM, wrote: On Wed, 29 Feb 2012 06:35:15 -0500, X ` Man wrote: On 2/28/12 11:02 PM, wrote: On Tue, 28 Feb 2012 16:35:06 -0500, X ` Man wrote: Cigarette smoke is not one of those trade-off thingies you like so much. It's like Hitler...there's no reason to compromise about it...it's all bad and *anything* that can be done to eliminate cigarettes is a good thing. We just have to hope the environmental weenies do not use second hand smoke as a precedent (infinitesimally small trace amounts of a chemical) to come after our BOATS (just to stay on topic). No matter how clean burning your engine is, there are still trace amounts of all sorts of chemicals in the exhaust. They could even cite the fiberglass that out gases for years or the paints and preservatives used on wood. Bottom paint is a super fund site compared to SHS. Somehow I bet you think these are all harmless because they meet some threshold limit value.. I can't do much more than giggle at your attempts to build your case here. Sorry. It is simply because you refuse to accept your prejudice. Nah. The general disdain for cigarettes isn't going to portmanteau into general disdain for boats. You must not have manatees up there in "Cawlvert county". There is a very vocal group around here who would ban all power boats in vast stretches of water. They will use any kind of junk science that becomes available. If they ever figure out you can set the threshold limit value of emissions to zero like we have done with tobacco smoke, power boats could go the way of asbestos pot holders. Your problems with manatees and manatee lovers is not "general disdain" for boats or boaters. We have lots of active boaters up here, and I've not seen much aimed at curtailing the activities of those who behave responsibly on the water. Who gets to decide whats responsible activity on the water? Someone who loves powerboats, someone who loves sailboats, or the guy who has a home on the water and only wants kayaks out there? To a degree, all the stakeholders should have some say. As an example, if you live on a moderately sized lake and suddenly there is an infestation of unmuffled "penis" boats zooming close by your house every Sunday morning at 8 am, you should have input into whether that sort of behavior is "responsible." When we lived in the St. Augustine area near the ICW, I was part of an effort to "ban" airboats from the shallow estuaries and marshlands in the immediate area because of their noise and the physical damage they were doing. The owners of these boats were not acting responsibly. Note I didn't say banned from the waterways. So, penis boats are bad for you... What if all the homeowners on the lake have them but you? Then, what if you have a sailboat and the rest of the folks are fishermen who hate sailboats moving in and around them while they were fishing. The lake we went to on the shoreline was a home to a skulling team. The only accident we ever had on that lake was when they hit my wifes row boat because they didn't think she was moving fast enough across the lake.... I say skulls are the most annoying and dangerous, mostly because of the assholes in them... So, who gets to decide again? The operative word was "responsibly." If they understand the nuances of that word, the operators of noisy boats wouldn't start their noise pollution so early on a weekend morning, eh? There have to be rules and regulations. Otherwise, you have the anarchy of libertarianism. Buy all of the property that surrounds the lake and prevent any and all access to it. |
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#216
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Update on ecigs...
In article , dump-on-
says... On 2/29/12 12:55 PM, JustWait wrote: On 2/29/2012 12:43 PM, X ` Man wrote: On 2/29/12 12:33 PM, JustWait wrote: On 2/29/2012 12:24 PM, X ` Man wrote: On 2/29/12 12:08 PM, JustWait wrote: On 2/29/2012 12:03 PM, X ` Man wrote: On 2/29/12 11:48 AM, wrote: On Wed, 29 Feb 2012 06:35:15 -0500, X ` Man wrote: On 2/28/12 11:02 PM, wrote: On Tue, 28 Feb 2012 16:35:06 -0500, X ` Man wrote: Cigarette smoke is not one of those trade-off thingies you like so much. It's like Hitler...there's no reason to compromise about it...it's all bad and *anything* that can be done to eliminate cigarettes is a good thing. We just have to hope the environmental weenies do not use second hand smoke as a precedent (infinitesimally small trace amounts of a chemical) to come after our BOATS (just to stay on topic). No matter how clean burning your engine is, there are still trace amounts of all sorts of chemicals in the exhaust. They could even cite the fiberglass that out gases for years or the paints and preservatives used on wood. Bottom paint is a super fund site compared to SHS. Somehow I bet you think these are all harmless because they meet some threshold limit value.. I can't do much more than giggle at your attempts to build your case here. Sorry. It is simply because you refuse to accept your prejudice. Nah. The general disdain for cigarettes isn't going to portmanteau into general disdain for boats. You must not have manatees up there in "Cawlvert county". There is a very vocal group around here who would ban all power boats in vast stretches of water. They will use any kind of junk science that becomes available. If they ever figure out you can set the threshold limit value of emissions to zero like we have done with tobacco smoke, power boats could go the way of asbestos pot holders. Your problems with manatees and manatee lovers is not "general disdain" for boats or boaters. We have lots of active boaters up here, and I've not seen much aimed at curtailing the activities of those who behave responsibly on the water. Who gets to decide whats responsible activity on the water? Someone who loves powerboats, someone who loves sailboats, or the guy who has a home on the water and only wants kayaks out there? To a degree, all the stakeholders should have some say. As an example, if you live on a moderately sized lake and suddenly there is an infestation of unmuffled "penis" boats zooming close by your house every Sunday morning at 8 am, you should have input into whether that sort of behavior is "responsible." When we lived in the St. Augustine area near the ICW, I was part of an effort to "ban" airboats from the shallow estuaries and marshlands in the immediate area because of their noise and the physical damage they were doing. The owners of these boats were not acting responsibly. Note I didn't say banned from the waterways. So, penis boats are bad for you... What if all the homeowners on the lake have them but you? Then, what if you have a sailboat and the rest of the folks are fishermen who hate sailboats moving in and around them while they were fishing. The lake we went to on the shoreline was a home to a skulling team. The only accident we ever had on that lake was when they hit my wifes row boat because they didn't think she was moving fast enough across the lake.... I say skulls are the most annoying and dangerous, mostly because of the assholes in them... So, who gets to decide again? The operative word was "responsibly." If they understand the nuances of that word, the operators of noisy boats wouldn't start their noise pollution so early on a weekend morning, eh? There have to be rules and regulations. Otherwise, you have the anarchy of libertarianism. Don't care to address the sailboats going over fishing lines, or the skulls arrogantly trying to bully their way to a private lake?? The operative word "responsibly" applies to all the stakeholders. I said that at the beginning. Therefore, it applies to fishermen, sailboaters, and those sculling their way to a private lake. Harry doesn't believe that people other than him should be allowed to have private property or personal property. Watch the video, the best part is near the end where the buffoon tries to make a distinction between personal property and private property. http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/ho...17/daily-show- lands-comedy-death-blow-to-occupy-wall-street/ |
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#217
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Update on ecigs...
In article ,
says... In article om, 5@ 5.com says... On 2/29/2012 1:07 PM, iBoaterer wrote: In , says... On 2/29/2012 12:03 PM, X ` Man wrote: On 2/29/12 11:48 AM, wrote: On Wed, 29 Feb 2012 06:35:15 -0500, X ` Man wrote: On 2/28/12 11:02 PM, wrote: On Tue, 28 Feb 2012 16:35:06 -0500, X ` Man wrote: Cigarette smoke is not one of those trade-off thingies you like so much. It's like Hitler...there's no reason to compromise about it...it's all bad and *anything* that can be done to eliminate cigarettes is a good thing. We just have to hope the environmental weenies do not use second hand smoke as a precedent (infinitesimally small trace amounts of a chemical) to come after our BOATS (just to stay on topic). No matter how clean burning your engine is, there are still trace amounts of all sorts of chemicals in the exhaust. They could even cite the fiberglass that out gases for years or the paints and preservatives used on wood. Bottom paint is a super fund site compared to SHS. Somehow I bet you think these are all harmless because they meet some threshold limit value.. I can't do much more than giggle at your attempts to build your case here. Sorry. It is simply because you refuse to accept your prejudice. Nah. The general disdain for cigarettes isn't going to portmanteau into general disdain for boats. You must not have manatees up there in "Cawlvert county". There is a very vocal group around here who would ban all power boats in vast stretches of water. They will use any kind of junk science that becomes available. If they ever figure out you can set the threshold limit value of emissions to zero like we have done with tobacco smoke, power boats could go the way of asbestos pot holders. Your problems with manatees and manatee lovers is not "general disdain" for boats or boaters. We have lots of active boaters up here, and I've not seen much aimed at curtailing the activities of those who behave responsibly on the water. Who gets to decide whats responsible activity on the water? Someone who loves powerboats, someone who loves sailboats, or the guy who has a home on the water and only wants kayaks out there? You're right. We should have not laws. Want to drink and drive, have at it. Want to use drugs and boat, have at it. Want to do that recklessly and without regard to others, have at it. He didn't say that. Let's not go running amok now. You sound like Plume. Apparently everybody sounds like Plume to you. He's got you nailed. |
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#218
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Update on ecigs...
On 2/29/12 7:19 PM, BAR wrote:
In , lid says... On 2/28/2012 4:27 AM, BAR wrote: In , lid says... So you do understand my thoughts on religion. I don't think anyone understands you. Your mind is warped, your views are off the charts and you are generally an unpleasent person. The analogy seems to have made you uncomfortable. Harry has tried to bring me under his wing many times before. Funny line. But, as usual, not true. |
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#219
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Update on ecigs...
In article ,
says... In article , says... In article om, 5@ 5.com says... On 2/29/2012 1:07 PM, iBoaterer wrote: In , says... On 2/29/2012 12:03 PM, X ` Man wrote: On 2/29/12 11:48 AM, wrote: On Wed, 29 Feb 2012 06:35:15 -0500, X ` Man wrote: On 2/28/12 11:02 PM, wrote: On Tue, 28 Feb 2012 16:35:06 -0500, X ` Man wrote: Cigarette smoke is not one of those trade-off thingies you like so much. It's like Hitler...there's no reason to compromise about it...it's all bad and *anything* that can be done to eliminate cigarettes is a good thing. We just have to hope the environmental weenies do not use second hand smoke as a precedent (infinitesimally small trace amounts of a chemical) to come after our BOATS (just to stay on topic). No matter how clean burning your engine is, there are still trace amounts of all sorts of chemicals in the exhaust. They could even cite the fiberglass that out gases for years or the paints and preservatives used on wood. Bottom paint is a super fund site compared to SHS. Somehow I bet you think these are all harmless because they meet some threshold limit value.. I can't do much more than giggle at your attempts to build your case here. Sorry. It is simply because you refuse to accept your prejudice. Nah. The general disdain for cigarettes isn't going to portmanteau into general disdain for boats. You must not have manatees up there in "Cawlvert county". There is a very vocal group around here who would ban all power boats in vast stretches of water. They will use any kind of junk science that becomes available. If they ever figure out you can set the threshold limit value of emissions to zero like we have done with tobacco smoke, power boats could go the way of asbestos pot holders. Your problems with manatees and manatee lovers is not "general disdain" for boats or boaters. We have lots of active boaters up here, and I've not seen much aimed at curtailing the activities of those who behave responsibly on the water. Who gets to decide whats responsible activity on the water? Someone who loves powerboats, someone who loves sailboats, or the guy who has a home on the water and only wants kayaks out there? You're right. We should have not laws. Want to drink and drive, have at it. Want to use drugs and boat, have at it. Want to do that recklessly and without regard to others, have at it. He didn't say that. Let's not go running amok now. You sound like Plume. Apparently everybody sounds like Plume to you. He's got you nailed. Did you get a chance to review those peer reviewed studies that you asked for and I gave? You and Scotty seemed to have gotten awfully quiet about it! And I've not seen one single peer reviewed study that says that second hand smoking is NOT bad for you. |
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#220
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Update on ecigs...
In article ,
says... In article , says... In article , says... In article om, 5@ 5.com says... On 2/29/2012 1:07 PM, iBoaterer wrote: In , says... On 2/29/2012 12:03 PM, X ` Man wrote: On 2/29/12 11:48 AM, wrote: On Wed, 29 Feb 2012 06:35:15 -0500, X ` Man wrote: On 2/28/12 11:02 PM, wrote: On Tue, 28 Feb 2012 16:35:06 -0500, X ` Man wrote: Cigarette smoke is not one of those trade-off thingies you like so much. It's like Hitler...there's no reason to compromise about it...it's all bad and *anything* that can be done to eliminate cigarettes is a good thing. We just have to hope the environmental weenies do not use second hand smoke as a precedent (infinitesimally small trace amounts of a chemical) to come after our BOATS (just to stay on topic). No matter how clean burning your engine is, there are still trace amounts of all sorts of chemicals in the exhaust. They could even cite the fiberglass that out gases for years or the paints and preservatives used on wood. Bottom paint is a super fund site compared to SHS. Somehow I bet you think these are all harmless because they meet some threshold limit value.. I can't do much more than giggle at your attempts to build your case here. Sorry. It is simply because you refuse to accept your prejudice. Nah. The general disdain for cigarettes isn't going to portmanteau into general disdain for boats. You must not have manatees up there in "Cawlvert county". There is a very vocal group around here who would ban all power boats in vast stretches of water. They will use any kind of junk science that becomes available. If they ever figure out you can set the threshold limit value of emissions to zero like we have done with tobacco smoke, power boats could go the way of asbestos pot holders. Your problems with manatees and manatee lovers is not "general disdain" for boats or boaters. We have lots of active boaters up here, and I've not seen much aimed at curtailing the activities of those who behave responsibly on the water. Who gets to decide whats responsible activity on the water? Someone who loves powerboats, someone who loves sailboats, or the guy who has a home on the water and only wants kayaks out there? You're right. We should have not laws. Want to drink and drive, have at it. Want to use drugs and boat, have at it. Want to do that recklessly and without regard to others, have at it. He didn't say that. Let's not go running amok now. You sound like Plume. Apparently everybody sounds like Plume to you. He's got you nailed. Did you get a chance to review those peer reviewed studies that you asked for and I gave? You and Scotty seemed to have gotten awfully quiet about it! And I've not seen one single peer reviewed study that says that second hand smoking is NOT bad for you. Where are the URLs? |
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