Eddie wrote:
On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 08:56:57 -0400, NotNow wrote:

Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 04:46:28 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ws1YDi4hEps

I thought it was good, that is unless I was missing something bad
about it.
Other than all the distortions, outright lies and general misdirection
about his intentions, it wasn't bad at all.
Please list the distortions, lies and misdirections, with proof that
they are what you claim.
In the local news at 10 channel right after the speech they said it is
correct that illegal immigrants would not be eligible for universal
health care.
However, at the end of that news report, they did mention (the
disclosure) in a quick report that although that is true, illegal
immigrants *DO NOT* have to say they are undocumented illegal
immigrants. It's in the bill they said.
So let me get this right, I have cancer, serious cancer that will need
a lot of attention, with surgery, etc, etc. I live in Mexico, I am
unemployed, very poor, and will die without good medical care. I then
cross over (it's done daily, by many) go to the nearest health
provider, be it a cancer specialist or hospital and tell them I need
help. Because I would not qualify for benefits as the bill is
written, I would just say my name Jose Jimenez.
Nothing else. No proof that I am a citizen of the U.S. Actually I
wouldn't even have to speak English, as there are many U.S. citizens
that don't speak English.
So Obama is right. No health care for illegals. But whatcha bet the
illegals will find out about the small print, very pronto!
Eddie

Bull****.

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says...

Eddie wrote:
On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 08:56:57 -0400, NotNow wrote:

Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 04:46:28 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ws1YDi4hEps

I thought it was good, that is unless I was missing something bad
about it.
Other than all the distortions, outright lies and general misdirection
about his intentions, it wasn't bad at all.
Please list the distortions, lies and misdirections, with proof that
they are what you claim.
In the local news at 10 channel right after the speech they said it is
correct that illegal immigrants would not be eligible for universal
health care.
However, at the end of that news report, they did mention (the
disclosure) in a quick report that although that is true, illegal
immigrants *DO NOT* have to say they are undocumented illegal
immigrants. It's in the bill they said.
So let me get this right, I have cancer, serious cancer that will need
a lot of attention, with surgery, etc, etc. I live in Mexico, I am
unemployed, very poor, and will die without good medical care. I then
cross over (it's done daily, by many)N go to the nearest health
provider, be it a cancer specialist or hospital and tell them I need
help. Because I would not qualify for benefits as the bill is
written, I would just say my name Jose Jimenez.
Nothing else. No proof that I am a citizen of the U.S. Actually I
wouldn't even have to speak English, as there are many U.S. citizens
that don't speak English.
So Obama is right. No health care for illegals. But whatcha bet the
illegals will find out about the small print, very pronto!
Eddie

Bull****.

Not bull**** at all.. It was finally friday they agreed to put in
legislation forcing folks to prove citizenship... Up until then it was
deliberately left out of the law...

--
Wafa free since 2009

On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 09:35:41 -0400, JustWait wrote:


Not bull**** at all.. It was finally friday they agreed to put in
legislation forcing folks to prove citizenship... Up until then it was
deliberately left out of the law...

That's nice. I guess we should all permanently carry our passports
around with us, and clean underwear. You never know when you might be
involved in an accident. So, how does that work? If you can't prove
citizenship, to they kick you out unto the curb?

In article ,
says...

On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 09:35:41 -0400, JustWait wrote:


Not bull**** at all.. It was finally friday they agreed to put in
legislation forcing folks to prove citizenship... Up until then it was
deliberately left out of the law...

That's nice. I guess we should all permanently carry our passports
around with us, and clean underwear. You never know when you might be
involved in an accident. So, how does that work? If you can't prove
citizenship, to they kick you out unto the curb?

No.. They just treat you and bill me... The myth that folks without
insurance can't get treated here is just that. Of course if you are a
legal citizen you get a 24 thousand dollar bill like I just did...

--
Wafa free since 2009

On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 10:08:22 -0400, JustWait wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 09:35:41 -0400, JustWait wrote:


Not bull**** at all.. It was finally friday they agreed to put in
legislation forcing folks to prove citizenship... Up until then it
was deliberately left out of the law...

That's nice. I guess we should all permanently carry our passports
around with us, and clean underwear. You never know when you might be
involved in an accident. So, how does that work? If you can't prove
citizenship, to they kick you out unto the curb?

No.. They just treat you and bill me... The myth that folks without
insurance can't get treated here is just that. Of course if you are a
legal citizen you get a 24 thousand dollar bill like I just did...

Ah, so nothing has changed. To get back to Eddie's point about poor,
unemployed Mexicans coming here for health care, why would they? Mexico
*has* universal coverage.

You know, I haven't heard anyone say that you can't get treated here,
with or without insurance coverage. However, with or without coverage,
an illness is the number one cause of personal bankruptcy. Without
reform, health care is approaching 20% GDP. Our health care system is
broken, and needs help.

"thunder" wrote in message
t...
On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 10:08:22 -0400, JustWait wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 09:35:41 -0400, JustWait wrote:


Not bull**** at all.. It was finally friday they agreed to put in
legislation forcing folks to prove citizenship... Up until then it
was deliberately left out of the law...

That's nice. I guess we should all permanently carry our passports
around with us, and clean underwear. You never know when you might be
involved in an accident. So, how does that work? If you can't prove
citizenship, to they kick you out unto the curb?

No.. They just treat you and bill me... The myth that folks without
insurance can't get treated here is just that. Of course if you are a
legal citizen you get a 24 thousand dollar bill like I just did...

Ah, so nothing has changed. To get back to Eddie's point about poor,
unemployed Mexicans coming here for health care, why would they? Mexico
*has* universal coverage.

You know, I haven't heard anyone say that you can't get treated here,
with or without insurance coverage. However, with or without coverage,
an illness is the number one cause of personal bankruptcy. Without
reform, health care is approaching 20% GDP. Our health care system is
broken, and needs help.

Our capitalist health care system is just fine. It needs the government to
keep their hands off of it, and it will do just fine. The government is the
one who broke it.

All the talk about jobs before the election. And now none. What good is
free insurance except for people who won't work?

Steve

In article ,
says...

On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 10:08:22 -0400, JustWait wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 09:35:41 -0400, JustWait wrote:


Not bull**** at all.. It was finally friday they agreed to put in
legislation forcing folks to prove citizenship... Up until then it
was deliberately left out of the law...

That's nice. I guess we should all permanently carry our passports
around with us, and clean underwear. You never know when you might be
involved in an accident. So, how does that work? If you can't prove
citizenship, to they kick you out unto the curb?

No.. They just treat you and bill me... The myth that folks without
insurance can't get treated here is just that. Of course if you are a
legal citizen you get a 24 thousand dollar bill like I just did...

Ah, so nothing has changed. To get back to Eddie's point about poor,
unemployed Mexicans coming here for health care, why would they? Mexico
*has* universal coverage.

You know, I haven't heard anyone say that you can't get treated here,
with or without insurance coverage. However, with or without coverage,
an illness is the number one cause of personal bankruptcy. Without
reform, health care is approaching 20% GDP. Our health care system is
broken, and needs help.

"Universal Coverage"? How long do they have to wait? Are the doctors as
qualified as they are here where you can get instant treatment, by the
best doctors?

--
Wafa free since 2009

JustWait wrote:
In article ,
says...
On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 10:08:22 -0400, JustWait wrote:

In article ,
says...
On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 09:35:41 -0400, JustWait wrote:


Not bull**** at all.. It was finally friday they agreed to put in
legislation forcing folks to prove citizenship... Up until then it
was deliberately left out of the law...
That's nice. I guess we should all permanently carry our passports
around with us, and clean underwear. You never know when you might be
involved in an accident. So, how does that work? If you can't prove
citizenship, to they kick you out unto the curb?
No.. They just treat you and bill me... The myth that folks without
insurance can't get treated here is just that. Of course if you are a
legal citizen you get a 24 thousand dollar bill like I just did...
Ah, so nothing has changed. To get back to Eddie's point about poor,
unemployed Mexicans coming here for health care, why would they? Mexico
*has* universal coverage.

You know, I haven't heard anyone say that you can't get treated here,
with or without insurance coverage. However, with or without coverage,
an illness is the number one cause of personal bankruptcy. Without
reform, health care is approaching 20% GDP. Our health care system is
broken, and needs help.

"Universal Coverage"? How long do they have to wait? Are the doctors as
qualified as they are here where you can get instant treatment, by the
best doctors?

Instant treatment my ass! They damned near killed me because I had to
wait until the next day to get an open operating room.

wrote:
On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 09:35:02 -0500, thunder
wrote:

On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 10:08:22 -0400, JustWait wrote:

In article ,
says...
On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 09:35:41 -0400, JustWait wrote:


Not bull**** at all.. It was finally friday they agreed to put in
legislation forcing folks to prove citizenship... Up until then it
was deliberately left out of the law...
That's nice. I guess we should all permanently carry our passports
around with us, and clean underwear. You never know when you might be
involved in an accident. So, how does that work? If you can't prove
citizenship, to they kick you out unto the curb?
No.. They just treat you and bill me... The myth that folks without
insurance can't get treated here is just that. Of course if you are a
legal citizen you get a 24 thousand dollar bill like I just did...
Ah, so nothing has changed. To get back to Eddie's point about poor,
unemployed Mexicans coming here for health care, why would they? Mexico
*has* universal coverage.

You know, I haven't heard anyone say that you can't get treated here,
with or without insurance coverage. However, with or without coverage,
an illness is the number one cause of personal bankruptcy. Without
reform, health care is approaching 20% GDP. Our health care system is
broken, and needs help.


Current law is the ER has to treat and stabilize a patient. Beyond
that they can require proof of insurance or ability to pay before they
proceed. I assume that is where the proof of citizenship would kick
in.
People would have to carry the same type of ID they need to keep INS
off their back and this is certainly profiling. If you look and talk
like an American, they don't bother you from my experience. Latin
looking people with an accent get profiled.

I can hardly wait for the lawsuits from Latinos, and I'll be on their side.




--
Birther-Deather-Tenther-Teabagger:
Idiots All

In article ,
says...

On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 09:35:02 -0500, thunder
wrote:

On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 10:08:22 -0400, JustWait wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 09:35:41 -0400, JustWait wrote:


Not bull**** at all.. It was finally friday they agreed to put in
legislation forcing folks to prove citizenship... Up until then it
was deliberately left out of the law...

That's nice. I guess we should all permanently carry our passports
around with us, and clean underwear. You never know when you might be
involved in an accident. So, how does that work? If you can't prove
citizenship, to they kick you out unto the curb?

No.. They just treat you and bill me... The myth that folks without
insurance can't get treated here is just that. Of course if you are a
legal citizen you get a 24 thousand dollar bill like I just did...

Ah, so nothing has changed. To get back to Eddie's point about poor,
unemployed Mexicans coming here for health care, why would they? Mexico
*has* universal coverage.

You know, I haven't heard anyone say that you can't get treated here,
with or without insurance coverage. However, with or without coverage,
an illness is the number one cause of personal bankruptcy. Without
reform, health care is approaching 20% GDP. Our health care system is
broken, and needs help.


Current law is the ER has to treat and stabilize a patient. Beyond
that they can require proof of insurance or ability to pay before they
proceed. I assume that is where the proof of citizenship would kick
in.
People would have to carry the same type of ID they need to keep INS
off their back and this is certainly profiling. If you look and talk
like an American, they don't bother you from my experience. Latin
looking people with an accent get profiled.

What's the big deal? I have had to carry ID since I was a young boy? I
have had to show it every time I go in to the ER and for many other
normal daily activity. Why should certain folks be different?

--
Wafa free since 2009