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I just saw Obama's HS speech
JustWait wrote:
In article , says... On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 14:08:13 -0400, NotNow wrote: JustWait wrote: In article , says... JohnH wrote: On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 08:59:57 -0400, NotNow wrote: JustWait wrote: In article , says... On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 20:55:18 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "JohnH" wrote in message ... On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 15:50:39 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "Jim" wrote in message ... How do you propose low income people pay for the passport? They're not cheap these days. Yeah, we're in favor of voter fraud like what happened in 2000 in Florida? right. Fraud? Nope. Just a few mis counted votes, hanging chad and the fact that Al gore kept demanding recounts until he was declared winner. Total fraud. Yet after Bush was elected by the Supreme Court, loyal Americans accepted the result. We didn't question that Bush was the president. After 9/11, Bush had something like 90% approval rating in the polls. The vast majority of the world were sympathetic and supportive. Instead of taking advantage of our remarkable position, Bush squandered it in a war of choice. Tens of thousands died, and we're much worse off, politically, financially, and morally. Now, answer the question. Already did, sweetie. No, you didn't: How do you propose low income people pay for the passport? They're not cheap these days. If we are to end up paying for health care for the poor, and not including illegal immigrants, then I've no problem with providing the poor a free passport. That could then be an ID requirement for the free healthcare. -- John H Illegal immigrants are exempt from signing up for the various healthcare programs winding their way through Congress. So, you don't mind a national id card? That's quite a statement. Saying, "That's quite a statement" is quite a statement. I said I agree with everyone being required to have a passport. It hasn't killed one European that I know of. The problem with a national ID card is it takes away the Democrats best election tool, voter fraud... They will never let it happen. No, the problem(s) with a national ID card is that our basic freedoms will be lost and gone forever. Cost. They are estimating the program will cost upwards of $23 billion, plus they'll have to run the program year to year. Thought you were for SMALLER government? I've had a passport for over thirty years. I know of no 'basic freedoms' I've lost forever. Do you have any idea WTF you're talking about? Yes, I'm talking about a National ID card. Issuing a passport to the poor would cost $23 billion a year? That's pure horse**** and you know it. -- John H Again, a NATIONAL ID CARD.....did you READ it? It is my responsibility to carry an id card, since I was a young boy. Why should only certain folks be allowed to go without them now? So they can game the system??? Jesus H. Christ!!! That's about as absurd as John saying that his passport is the same as the national ID card that the goverment was trying to push. You analogy of carrying ID isn't the same as an ID card with a tracking chip, etc. What you are proposing is like the Nazi's in Germany. Why are you bringing up tracking chips? Did the Nazi's in Germany have tracking chips? Or was it the Nazi's *not* in Germany that had the tracking chips? It's an irrelevant talking point, like the whole library tracking thing that never happened either... Uh, maybe it's because that's what they WANT? That's the whole idea of a national ID???? |
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#133
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I just saw Obama's HS speech
JustWait wrote:
In article , says... On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 14:08:13 -0400, NotNow wrote: JustWait wrote: In article , says... JohnH wrote: On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 08:59:57 -0400, NotNow wrote: JustWait wrote: In article , says... On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 20:55:18 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "JohnH" wrote in message ... On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 15:50:39 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "Jim" wrote in message ... How do you propose low income people pay for the passport? They're not cheap these days. Yeah, we're in favor of voter fraud like what happened in 2000 in Florida? right. Fraud? Nope. Just a few mis counted votes, hanging chad and the fact that Al gore kept demanding recounts until he was declared winner. Total fraud. Yet after Bush was elected by the Supreme Court, loyal Americans accepted the result. We didn't question that Bush was the president. After 9/11, Bush had something like 90% approval rating in the polls. The vast majority of the world were sympathetic and supportive. Instead of taking advantage of our remarkable position, Bush squandered it in a war of choice. Tens of thousands died, and we're much worse off, politically, financially, and morally. Now, answer the question. Already did, sweetie. No, you didn't: How do you propose low income people pay for the passport? They're not cheap these days. If we are to end up paying for health care for the poor, and not including illegal immigrants, then I've no problem with providing the poor a free passport. That could then be an ID requirement for the free healthcare. -- John H Illegal immigrants are exempt from signing up for the various healthcare programs winding their way through Congress. So, you don't mind a national id card? That's quite a statement. Saying, "That's quite a statement" is quite a statement. I said I agree with everyone being required to have a passport. It hasn't killed one European that I know of. The problem with a national ID card is it takes away the Democrats best election tool, voter fraud... They will never let it happen. No, the problem(s) with a national ID card is that our basic freedoms will be lost and gone forever. Cost. They are estimating the program will cost upwards of $23 billion, plus they'll have to run the program year to year. Thought you were for SMALLER government? I've had a passport for over thirty years. I know of no 'basic freedoms' I've lost forever. Do you have any idea WTF you're talking about? Yes, I'm talking about a National ID card. Issuing a passport to the poor would cost $23 billion a year? That's pure horse**** and you know it. -- John H Again, a NATIONAL ID CARD.....did you READ it? It is my responsibility to carry an id card, since I was a young boy. Why should only certain folks be allowed to go without them now? So they can game the system??? Jesus H. Christ!!! That's about as absurd as John saying that his passport is the same as the national ID card that the goverment was trying to push. You analogy of carrying ID isn't the same as an ID card with a tracking chip, etc. What you are proposing is like the Nazi's in Germany. Why are you bringing up tracking chips? Did the Nazi's in Germany have tracking chips? Or was it the Nazi's *not* in Germany that had the tracking chips? It's an irrelevant talking point, like the whole library tracking thing that never happened either... The library thing fell apart because it was a stupid unfounded argument. Even if the books you were checking out at the library were being tracked you could have just pulled them off the shelf and read them while at the library or you could have gone to a book store and paid cash for the book. |
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#134
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I just saw Obama's HS speech
NotNow wrote:
JustWait wrote: In article , says... On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 14:08:13 -0400, NotNow wrote: JustWait wrote: In article , says... JohnH wrote: On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 08:59:57 -0400, NotNow wrote: JustWait wrote: In article , says... On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 20:55:18 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "JohnH" wrote in message ... On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 15:50:39 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "Jim" wrote in message ... How do you propose low income people pay for the passport? They're not cheap these days. Yeah, we're in favor of voter fraud like what happened in 2000 in Florida? right. Fraud? Nope. Just a few mis counted votes, hanging chad and the fact that Al gore kept demanding recounts until he was declared winner. Total fraud. Yet after Bush was elected by the Supreme Court, loyal Americans accepted the result. We didn't question that Bush was the president. After 9/11, Bush had something like 90% approval rating in the polls. The vast majority of the world were sympathetic and supportive. Instead of taking advantage of our remarkable position, Bush squandered it in a war of choice. Tens of thousands died, and we're much worse off, politically, financially, and morally. Now, answer the question. Already did, sweetie. No, you didn't: How do you propose low income people pay for the passport? They're not cheap these days. If we are to end up paying for health care for the poor, and not including illegal immigrants, then I've no problem with providing the poor a free passport. That could then be an ID requirement for the free healthcare. -- John H Illegal immigrants are exempt from signing up for the various healthcare programs winding their way through Congress. So, you don't mind a national id card? That's quite a statement. Saying, "That's quite a statement" is quite a statement. I said I agree with everyone being required to have a passport. It hasn't killed one European that I know of. The problem with a national ID card is it takes away the Democrats best election tool, voter fraud... They will never let it happen. No, the problem(s) with a national ID card is that our basic freedoms will be lost and gone forever. Cost. They are estimating the program will cost upwards of $23 billion, plus they'll have to run the program year to year. Thought you were for SMALLER government? I've had a passport for over thirty years. I know of no 'basic freedoms' I've lost forever. Do you have any idea WTF you're talking about? Yes, I'm talking about a National ID card. Issuing a passport to the poor would cost $23 billion a year? That's pure horse**** and you know it. -- John H Again, a NATIONAL ID CARD.....did you READ it? It is my responsibility to carry an id card, since I was a young boy. Why should only certain folks be allowed to go without them now? So they can game the system??? Jesus H. Christ!!! That's about as absurd as John saying that his passport is the same as the national ID card that the goverment was trying to push. You analogy of carrying ID isn't the same as an ID card with a tracking chip, etc. What you are proposing is like the Nazi's in Germany. Why are you bringing up tracking chips? Did the Nazi's in Germany have tracking chips? Or was it the Nazi's *not* in Germany that had the tracking chips? It's an irrelevant talking point, like the whole library tracking thing that never happened either... Uh, maybe it's because that's what they WANT? That's the whole idea of a national ID???? Are you the kind of person that keeps his promises? |
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#135
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I just saw Obama's HS speech
On Wed, 16 Sep 2009 11:16:22 -0400, NotNow wrote:
JustWait wrote: In article , says... On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 14:08:13 -0400, NotNow wrote: JustWait wrote: In article , says... JohnH wrote: On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 08:59:57 -0400, NotNow wrote: JustWait wrote: In article , says... On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 20:55:18 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "JohnH" wrote in message ... On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 15:50:39 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "Jim" wrote in message ... How do you propose low income people pay for the passport? They're not cheap these days. Yeah, we're in favor of voter fraud like what happened in 2000 in Florida? right. Fraud? Nope. Just a few mis counted votes, hanging chad and the fact that Al gore kept demanding recounts until he was declared winner. Total fraud. Yet after Bush was elected by the Supreme Court, loyal Americans accepted the result. We didn't question that Bush was the president. After 9/11, Bush had something like 90% approval rating in the polls. The vast majority of the world were sympathetic and supportive. Instead of taking advantage of our remarkable position, Bush squandered it in a war of choice. Tens of thousands died, and we're much worse off, politically, financially, and morally. Now, answer the question. Already did, sweetie. No, you didn't: How do you propose low income people pay for the passport? They're not cheap these days. If we are to end up paying for health care for the poor, and not including illegal immigrants, then I've no problem with providing the poor a free passport. That could then be an ID requirement for the free healthcare. -- John H Illegal immigrants are exempt from signing up for the various healthcare programs winding their way through Congress. So, you don't mind a national id card? That's quite a statement. Saying, "That's quite a statement" is quite a statement. I said I agree with everyone being required to have a passport. It hasn't killed one European that I know of. The problem with a national ID card is it takes away the Democrats best election tool, voter fraud... They will never let it happen. No, the problem(s) with a national ID card is that our basic freedoms will be lost and gone forever. Cost. They are estimating the program will cost upwards of $23 billion, plus they'll have to run the program year to year. Thought you were for SMALLER government? I've had a passport for over thirty years. I know of no 'basic freedoms' I've lost forever. Do you have any idea WTF you're talking about? Yes, I'm talking about a National ID card. Issuing a passport to the poor would cost $23 billion a year? That's pure horse**** and you know it. -- John H Again, a NATIONAL ID CARD.....did you READ it? It is my responsibility to carry an id card, since I was a young boy. Why should only certain folks be allowed to go without them now? So they can game the system??? Jesus H. Christ!!! That's about as absurd as John saying that his passport is the same as the national ID card that the goverment was trying to push. You analogy of carrying ID isn't the same as an ID card with a tracking chip, etc. What you are proposing is like the Nazi's in Germany. Why are you bringing up tracking chips? Did the Nazi's in Germany have tracking chips? Or was it the Nazi's *not* in Germany that had the tracking chips? It's an irrelevant talking point, like the whole library tracking thing that never happened either... Uh, maybe it's because that's what they WANT? That's the whole idea of a national ID???? So where's the list of all the 'basic freedoms that will be lost and gone forever', Loogy? We're holding our breath for the list,. -- John H |
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#136
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I just saw Obama's HS speech
In article ,
says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 14:08:13 -0400, NotNow wrote: JustWait wrote: In article , says... JohnH wrote: On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 08:59:57 -0400, NotNow wrote: JustWait wrote: In article , says... On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 20:55:18 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "JohnH" wrote in message ... On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 15:50:39 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "Jim" wrote in message ... How do you propose low income people pay for the passport? They're not cheap these days. Yeah, we're in favor of voter fraud like what happened in 2000 in Florida? right. Fraud? Nope. Just a few mis counted votes, hanging chad and the fact that Al gore kept demanding recounts until he was declared winner. Total fraud. Yet after Bush was elected by the Supreme Court, loyal Americans accepted the result. We didn't question that Bush was the president. After 9/11, Bush had something like 90% approval rating in the polls. The vast majority of the world were sympathetic and supportive. Instead of taking advantage of our remarkable position, Bush squandered it in a war of choice. Tens of thousands died, and we're much worse off, politically, financially, and morally. Now, answer the question. Already did, sweetie. No, you didn't: How do you propose low income people pay for the passport? They're not cheap these days. If we are to end up paying for health care for the poor, and not including illegal immigrants, then I've no problem with providing the poor a free passport. That could then be an ID requirement for the free healthcare. -- John H Illegal immigrants are exempt from signing up for the various healthcare programs winding their way through Congress. So, you don't mind a national id card? That's quite a statement. Saying, "That's quite a statement" is quite a statement. I said I agree with everyone being required to have a passport. It hasn't killed one European that I know of. The problem with a national ID card is it takes away the Democrats best election tool, voter fraud... They will never let it happen. No, the problem(s) with a national ID card is that our basic freedoms will be lost and gone forever. Cost. They are estimating the program will cost upwards of $23 billion, plus they'll have to run the program year to year. Thought you were for SMALLER government? I've had a passport for over thirty years. I know of no 'basic freedoms' I've lost forever. Do you have any idea WTF you're talking about? Yes, I'm talking about a National ID card. Issuing a passport to the poor would cost $23 billion a year? That's pure horse**** and you know it. -- John H Again, a NATIONAL ID CARD.....did you READ it? It is my responsibility to carry an id card, since I was a young boy. Why should only certain folks be allowed to go without them now? So they can game the system??? Jesus H. Christ!!! That's about as absurd as John saying that his passport is the same as the national ID card that the goverment was trying to push. You analogy of carrying ID isn't the same as an ID card with a tracking chip, etc. What you are proposing is like the Nazi's in Germany. Why are you bringing up tracking chips? Did the Nazi's in Germany have tracking chips? Or was it the Nazi's *not* in Germany that had the tracking chips? It's an irrelevant talking point, like the whole library tracking thing that never happened either... Uh, maybe it's because that's what they WANT? That's the whole idea of a national ID???? Yup, but I was talking about the tracking chip that can be read by any perv in your pocket.. -- Wafa free since 2009 |
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