On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 19:43:12 -0500, thunder
wrote:

On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 16:01:52 -0700, Eddie wrote:



I live in Mexico, I am unemployed, very poor, and
will die without good medical care.

Then you will stay in Mexico, where health care is either partially or
fully subsidized.
But not necessarily better.

I then cross over (it's done daily,
by many) go to the nearest health provider, be it a cancer specialist or
hospital and tell them I need help.

If people cross over for health care, it tends to be the other way, from
America to Mexico, where costs are considerably cheaper.
You mean like Steve McQueen did, right? Do you remember "alternative"
Mexican treatments like coffee enemas and laetrile? You don't?
Why anyone would go to a third world county like Mexico for medical
treatment puzzles me. Because it's cheaper? Hell, here it's free!
Ever hear of Medicaid? "If you can't afford to pay for medical care
right now, Medicaid can make it possible for you to get the care that
you need so that you can get healthy – and stay healthy." **

I owned a wholesale flower business from 1979 to 2002. I employed
only Mexican workers, all which were illegal *but* showed me a SS card
when they were hired. I knew the SS cards were bogus, but I also was
not the police so I did not investigate whether they were genuine or
not. It was not my job. I had a large turnover of employees over the
years and I know about health care in Mexico, not only from what I
heard from them, but from my brother-in-law, who immigrated to the
U.S. from Mexico. He is a physician, a neurosurgeon in fact. So I
probably know more about Mexican health care than most on this group.
If you're a rich Mexican you'll have access to good medical care, by
coming to America! And not only Mexicans, but Canadians, Spaniards
(Jose Carrera, opera tenor) Arab Sheiks from the UAE, from Italy, the
Prime Minister, Desmond Tutu, The King of Tonga, and thousands more
from countries with free medical care. So why America? Why do these
thousands come here when they have "good" medical care in their own
countries? Why?
And now can you imagine the droves of sick people who will come here
for medical treatments when they find out it's free to non-citizens?
Again, no ID required, no proof of U.S. citizenship, no questions of
national status or origin, no questions of birthplace, and again, no
English required, because by law an interpreter *must* be provided. At
no cost of course. Well, no cost to the applicant, but a cost to the
American tax payer. I can just imagine the laughter across the world
after hearing of obamacare and how stupid we must be to allow this to
happen.
btw, I got paid today, and I noticed my net pay is down a little due
to new taxes. And all this despite lower taxes for "95% of Americans"
according to the messiah. I consider myself one of the "95%" and I'm
still waiting for my taxes to go down. Has yours gone down? Anyone?
Just curious
Eddie

**http://www.cms.hhs.gov/Medicaidgeninfo/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_Mexico

On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 18:29:08 -0700, Calif Bill wrote:


If people cross over for health care, it tends to be the other way,
from America to Mexico, where costs are considerably cheaper.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_Mexico

If it was as you state, we in Califonia would be saving a lot of
billions in healthcare costs.

And all this time, I thought Mexicans crossed over for work. I never
stated anything to the effect, that those already here, didn't use our
medical facilities. OTH, Mexico does have a large medical tourism
sector. Many Americans routinely head south for dentistry, and elective
surgeries not covered my their health care.

On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 20:27:26 -0700, Eddie wrote:


I live in Mexico, I am unemployed, very poor, and
will die without good medical care.

Then you will stay in Mexico, where health care is either partially or
fully subsidized.
But not necessarily better.

Did I say that it was? The WHO has America ranked at 37, Mexico at 61.


I then cross over (it's done daily,
by many) go to the nearest health provider, be it a cancer specialist
or hospital and tell them I need help.

If people cross over for health care, it tends to be the other way, from
America to Mexico, where costs are considerably cheaper.
You mean like Steve McQueen did, right? Do you remember "alternative"
Mexican treatments like coffee enemas and laetrile? You don't? Why
anyone would go to a third world county like Mexico for medical
treatment puzzles me. Because it's cheaper? Hell, here it's free! Ever
hear of Medicaid? "If you can't afford to pay for medical care right
now, Medicaid can make it possible for you to get the care that you need
so that you can get healthy – and stay healthy." **

I owned a wholesale flower business from 1979 to 2002. I employed only
Mexican workers, all which were illegal *but* showed me a SS card when
they were hired. I knew the SS cards were bogus, but I also was not the
police so I did not investigate whether they were genuine or not. It
was not my job. I had a large turnover of employees over the years and
I know about health care in Mexico, not only from what I heard from
them, but from my brother-in-law, who immigrated to the U.S. from
Mexico. He is a physician, a neurosurgeon in fact. So I probably know
more about Mexican health care than most on this group. If you're a rich
Mexican you'll have access to good medical care, by coming to America!
And not only Mexicans, but Canadians, Spaniards (Jose Carrera, opera
tenor) Arab Sheiks from the UAE, from Italy, the Prime Minister, Desmond
Tutu, The King of Tonga, and thousands more from countries with free
medical care. So why America? Why do these thousands come here when
they have "good" medical care in their own countries? Why?

I thought we were talking about an unemployed, poor, Mexican? Now, we
are talking about Arab Sheiks? WTF?

My point was, Mexico has universal coverage. If you are Mexican, and
poor, you will stay home for fully subsidized health care. My second
point was, Mexico has a large medical tourism sector. Americans
routinely head south for dentistry, plastic surgeries, and other elective
surgeries, because costs are considerably cheaper there.

And now can you imagine the droves of sick people who will come here for
medical treatments when they find out it's free to non-citizens? Again,
no ID required, no proof of U.S. citizenship, no questions of national
status or origin, no questions of birthplace, and again, no English
required, because by law an interpreter *must* be provided. At no cost
of course. Well, no cost to the applicant, but a cost to the American
tax payer. I can just imagine the laughter across the world after
hearing of obamacare and how stupid we must be to allow this to happen.
btw, I got paid today, and I noticed my net pay is down a little due to
new taxes. And all this despite lower taxes for "95% of Americans"
according to the messiah. I consider myself one of the "95%" and I'm
still waiting for my taxes to go down. Has yours gone down? Anyone?
Just curious
Eddie

**http://www.cms.hhs.gov/Medicaidgeninfo/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_Mexico

Eddie wrote:
On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 08:56:57 -0400, NotNow wrote:

Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 04:46:28 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ws1YDi4hEps

I thought it was good, that is unless I was missing something bad
about it.
Other than all the distortions, outright lies and general misdirection
about his intentions, it wasn't bad at all.
Please list the distortions, lies and misdirections, with proof that
they are what you claim.
In the local news at 10 channel right after the speech they said it is
correct that illegal immigrants would not be eligible for universal
health care.
However, at the end of that news report, they did mention (the
disclosure) in a quick report that although that is true, illegal
immigrants *DO NOT* have to say they are undocumented illegal
immigrants. It's in the bill they said.
So let me get this right, I have cancer, serious cancer that will need
a lot of attention, with surgery, etc, etc. I live in Mexico, I am
unemployed, very poor, and will die without good medical care. I then
cross over (it's done daily, by many) go to the nearest health
provider, be it a cancer specialist or hospital and tell them I need
help. Because I would not qualify for benefits as the bill is
written, I would just say my name Jose Jimenez.
Nothing else. No proof that I am a citizen of the U.S. Actually I
wouldn't even have to speak English, as there are many U.S. citizens
that don't speak English.
So Obama is right. No health care for illegals. But whatcha bet the
illegals will find out about the small print, very pronto!
Eddie

Bull****.

thunder wrote:
On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 16:01:52 -0700, Eddie wrote:



I live in Mexico, I am unemployed, very poor, and
will die without good medical care.

Then you will stay in Mexico, where health care is either partially or
fully subsidized.

I then cross over (it's done daily,
by many) go to the nearest health provider, be it a cancer specialist or
hospital and tell them I need help.

If people cross over for health care, it tends to be the other way, from
America to Mexico, where costs are considerably cheaper.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_Mexico

A lot of people are going to other countries for healthcare to save money.

In article ,
says...

Eddie wrote:
On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 08:56:57 -0400, NotNow wrote:

Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 04:46:28 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ws1YDi4hEps

I thought it was good, that is unless I was missing something bad
about it.
Other than all the distortions, outright lies and general misdirection
about his intentions, it wasn't bad at all.
Please list the distortions, lies and misdirections, with proof that
they are what you claim.
In the local news at 10 channel right after the speech they said it is
correct that illegal immigrants would not be eligible for universal
health care.
However, at the end of that news report, they did mention (the
disclosure) in a quick report that although that is true, illegal
immigrants *DO NOT* have to say they are undocumented illegal
immigrants. It's in the bill they said.
So let me get this right, I have cancer, serious cancer that will need
a lot of attention, with surgery, etc, etc. I live in Mexico, I am
unemployed, very poor, and will die without good medical care. I then
cross over (it's done daily, by many)N go to the nearest health
provider, be it a cancer specialist or hospital and tell them I need
help. Because I would not qualify for benefits as the bill is
written, I would just say my name Jose Jimenez.
Nothing else. No proof that I am a citizen of the U.S. Actually I
wouldn't even have to speak English, as there are many U.S. citizens
that don't speak English.
So Obama is right. No health care for illegals. But whatcha bet the
illegals will find out about the small print, very pronto!
Eddie

Bull****.

Not bull**** at all.. It was finally friday they agreed to put in
legislation forcing folks to prove citizenship... Up until then it was
deliberately left out of the law...

--
Wafa free since 2009

On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 09:35:41 -0400, JustWait wrote:


Not bull**** at all.. It was finally friday they agreed to put in
legislation forcing folks to prove citizenship... Up until then it was
deliberately left out of the law...

That's nice. I guess we should all permanently carry our passports
around with us, and clean underwear. You never know when you might be
involved in an accident. So, how does that work? If you can't prove
citizenship, to they kick you out unto the curb?

In article ,
says...

On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 09:35:41 -0400, JustWait wrote:


Not bull**** at all.. It was finally friday they agreed to put in
legislation forcing folks to prove citizenship... Up until then it was
deliberately left out of the law...

That's nice. I guess we should all permanently carry our passports
around with us, and clean underwear. You never know when you might be
involved in an accident. So, how does that work? If you can't prove
citizenship, to they kick you out unto the curb?

No.. They just treat you and bill me... The myth that folks without
insurance can't get treated here is just that. Of course if you are a
legal citizen you get a 24 thousand dollar bill like I just did...

--
Wafa free since 2009

On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 10:08:22 -0400, JustWait wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 09:35:41 -0400, JustWait wrote:


Not bull**** at all.. It was finally friday they agreed to put in
legislation forcing folks to prove citizenship... Up until then it
was deliberately left out of the law...

That's nice. I guess we should all permanently carry our passports
around with us, and clean underwear. You never know when you might be
involved in an accident. So, how does that work? If you can't prove
citizenship, to they kick you out unto the curb?

No.. They just treat you and bill me... The myth that folks without
insurance can't get treated here is just that. Of course if you are a
legal citizen you get a 24 thousand dollar bill like I just did...

Ah, so nothing has changed. To get back to Eddie's point about poor,
unemployed Mexicans coming here for health care, why would they? Mexico
*has* universal coverage.

You know, I haven't heard anyone say that you can't get treated here,
with or without insurance coverage. However, with or without coverage,
an illness is the number one cause of personal bankruptcy. Without
reform, health care is approaching 20% GDP. Our health care system is
broken, and needs help.

JustWait wrote:
In article ,
says...
Eddie wrote:
On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 08:56:57 -0400, NotNow wrote:

Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 04:46:28 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ws1YDi4hEps

I thought it was good, that is unless I was missing something bad
about it.
Other than all the distortions, outright lies and general misdirection
about his intentions, it wasn't bad at all.
Please list the distortions, lies and misdirections, with proof that
they are what you claim.
In the local news at 10 channel right after the speech they said it is
correct that illegal immigrants would not be eligible for universal
health care.
However, at the end of that news report, they did mention (the
disclosure) in a quick report that although that is true, illegal
immigrants *DO NOT* have to say they are undocumented illegal
immigrants. It's in the bill they said.
So let me get this right, I have cancer, serious cancer that will need
a lot of attention, with surgery, etc, etc. I live in Mexico, I am
unemployed, very poor, and will die without good medical care. I then
cross over (it's done daily, by many)N go to the nearest health
provider, be it a cancer specialist or hospital and tell them I need
help. Because I would not qualify for benefits as the bill is
written, I would just say my name Jose Jimenez.
Nothing else. No proof that I am a citizen of the U.S. Actually I
wouldn't even have to speak English, as there are many U.S. citizens
that don't speak English.
So Obama is right. No health care for illegals. But whatcha bet the
illegals will find out about the small print, very pronto!
Eddie
Bull****.

Not bull**** at all.. It was finally friday they agreed to put in
legislation forcing folks to prove citizenship... Up until then it was
deliberately left out of the law...


Prove citizenship? Uh...does that mean bringing one's passport to the
doctor's office?




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Idiots All