On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 10:37:30 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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"NotNow" wrote in message
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Tom posted this earlier, it's only one source..

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090910/...th_care_fact_c
heck
And healthcare claims....

http://www.factcheck.org/2009/06/oba...h-care-claims/



Seems a lot more balanced than the previous link to the claims vs. facts.

Isn't The Freak a Mr. Goodwrench? I seem to remember him touting all
the GM sheepskins he'd earned or was that a different dunderhead?

jps wrote:
On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 10:37:30 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"NotNow" wrote in message
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Tom posted this earlier, it's only one source..

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090910/...th_care_fact_c
heck
And healthcare claims....

http://www.factcheck.org/2009/06/oba...h-care-claims/


Seems a lot more balanced than the previous link to the claims vs. facts.

Isn't The Freak a Mr. Goodwrench? I seem to remember him touting all
the GM sheepskins he'd earned or was that a different dunderhead?


It was b.s., based upon the simple mechanical questions he has asked
here in recent months.

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Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 04:46:28 -0700 (PDT), Tim
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ws1YDi4hEps

I thought it was good, that is unless I was missing something bad
about it.
Other than all the distortions, outright lies and general misdirection
about his intentions, it wasn't bad at all.
Please list the distortions, lies and misdirections, with proof that
they are what you claim.
Tom posted this earlier, it's only one source..

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090910/...th_care_fact_c
heck


Yahoo news, good try!
What, shooting the messenger?? Are the quotes fudged, numbers changed?
Just curious if this answered your question or not. You asked what
distortions, lies, and misdirections" and we did, what is so hard to
understand?

No, here's one!

OBAMA: "The reforms I'm proposing would not apply to those who are here
illegally." One congressman, South Carolina Republican Joe Wilson,
shouted "You lie!" from his seat in the House chamber when Obama made
this assertion. Wilson later apologized.

THE FACTS: The facts back up Obama. The House version of the health care
bill explicitly prohibits spending any federal money to help illegal
immigrants get health care coverage. Illegal immigrants could buy
private health insurance, as many do now, but wouldn't get tax subsidies
to help them. Still, Republicans say there are not sufficient
citizenship verification requirements to ensure illegal immigrants are
excluded from benefits they are not due.

Now, we just got to pass the bill "before" we fast track another 30
million or so... hummmm, doubt that "ever" crossed anyones mind in
congress. snerk


Now, where'd you get THAT information? Another GOP lie you've been told?

Yeah, it's a big lie that the Democratic party wants to make the
illegals, legal to vote.. And ACORN is not a wing of the DNC either,
snerk...

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jps wrote:
On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 10:37:30 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"NotNow" wrote in message
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Tom posted this earlier, it's only one source..

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090910/...th_care_fact_c
heck
And healthcare claims....

http://www.factcheck.org/2009/06/oba...h-care-claims/


Seems a lot more balanced than the previous link to the claims vs.
facts.

Isn't The Freak a Mr. Goodwrench? I seem to remember him touting all
the GM sheepskins he'd earned or was that a different dunderhead?


It was b.s., based upon the simple mechanical questions he has asked here
in recent months.

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"NotNow" wrote in message
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Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 04:46:28 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ws1YDi4hEps

I thought it was good, that is unless I was missing something bad
about it.

Other than all the distortions, outright lies and general misdirection
about his intentions, it wasn't bad at all.

Please list the distortions, lies and misdirections, with proof that they
are what you claim.

The problem with the health care speech is it does not match the House bill.
And the OP was about the HS speech. Most of the uproar was not about the
speech but the lesson plans and other stuff that went along with the speech.

On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 08:56:57 -0400, NotNow wrote:

Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 04:46:28 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ws1YDi4hEps

I thought it was good, that is unless I was missing something bad
about it.

Other than all the distortions, outright lies and general misdirection
about his intentions, it wasn't bad at all.

Please list the distortions, lies and misdirections, with proof that
they are what you claim.
In the local news at 10 channel right after the speech they said it is
correct that illegal immigrants would not be eligible for universal
health care.
However, at the end of that news report, they did mention (the
disclosure) in a quick report that although that is true, illegal
immigrants *DO NOT* have to say they are undocumented illegal
immigrants. It's in the bill they said.
So let me get this right, I have cancer, serious cancer that will need
a lot of attention, with surgery, etc, etc. I live in Mexico, I am
unemployed, very poor, and will die without good medical care. I then
cross over (it's done daily, by many) go to the nearest health
provider, be it a cancer specialist or hospital and tell them I need
help. Because I would not qualify for benefits as the bill is
written, I would just say my name Jose Jimenez.
Nothing else. No proof that I am a citizen of the U.S. Actually I
wouldn't even have to speak English, as there are many U.S. citizens
that don't speak English.
So Obama is right. No health care for illegals. But whatcha bet the
illegals will find out about the small print, very pronto!
Eddie

"Eddie" wrote in message
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In the local news at 10 channel right after the speech they said it is
correct that illegal immigrants would not be eligible for universal
health care.
However, at the end of that news report, they did mention (the
disclosure) in a quick report that although that is true, illegal
immigrants *DO NOT* have to say they are undocumented illegal
immigrants. It's in the bill they said.
So let me get this right, I have cancer, serious cancer that will need
a lot of attention, with surgery, etc, etc. I live in Mexico, I am
unemployed, very poor, and will die without good medical care. I then
cross over (it's done daily, by many) go to the nearest health
provider, be it a cancer specialist or hospital and tell them I need
help. Because I would not qualify for benefits as the bill is
written, I would just say my name Jose Jimenez.
Nothing else. No proof that I am a citizen of the U.S. Actually I
wouldn't even have to speak English, as there are many U.S. citizens
that don't speak English.
So Obama is right. No health care for illegals. But whatcha bet the
illegals will find out about the small print, very pronto!
Eddie


Very easy to cite an impossibly complicated hypothetical, then answer the
question any way you want to...

No one is refused EM care. Should we institute national ID cards? ... cause
that's what it'll take... Seems like a lot of expense for very little
savings.

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On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 16:01:52 -0700, Eddie wrote:



I live in Mexico, I am unemployed, very poor, and
will die without good medical care.

Then you will stay in Mexico, where health care is either partially or
fully subsidized.

I then cross over (it's done daily,
by many) go to the nearest health provider, be it a cancer specialist or
hospital and tell them I need help.

If people cross over for health care, it tends to be the other way, from
America to Mexico, where costs are considerably cheaper.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_Mexico

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On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 16:01:52 -0700, Eddie wrote:



I live in Mexico, I am unemployed, very poor, and
will die without good medical care.

Then you will stay in Mexico, where health care is either partially or
fully subsidized.

I then cross over (it's done daily,
by many) go to the nearest health provider, be it a cancer specialist or
hospital and tell them I need help.

If people cross over for health care, it tends to be the other way, from
America to Mexico, where costs are considerably cheaper.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_Mexico

But not free.. If you need free health care, you gotta' come here and
screw the system, well as long as you are not a citizen...

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On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 16:01:52 -0700, Eddie wrote:



I live in Mexico, I am unemployed, very poor, and
will die without good medical care.

Then you will stay in Mexico, where health care is either partially or
fully subsidized.

I then cross over (it's done daily,
by many) go to the nearest health provider, be it a cancer specialist or
hospital and tell them I need help.

If people cross over for health care, it tends to be the other way, from
America to Mexico, where costs are considerably cheaper.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_Mexico

If it was as you state, we in Califonia would be saving a lot of billions in
healthcare costs.