I am not sure I really understand what is broken on her but it seems
to be an issue of access to an area that has broken loose from the
hull inside. I see no reason why this cannot be fixed quickly and I'd
have perfect confidence in such a fix. He seems to have problems with
getting the part that has torn loose to be pressed against the hull
but that is no problem, simply a matter of pressure X area. Put a
large inner tube in the boat and inflate it to press the part against
the inner hull. The inner tube will conform to whatever it is
pressing against.
I bet that where it is torn loose is so rough that even a secondary
bond will be as strong as a primary one.
You can get your epoxy in any viscosity you like, put it in one of
those plastic sprayers used to spray insecticide onto bushes and use
the thin metal wand to spray it in there.
Now, get that boat outa the Keys or at least outa the boat yard. For
$500/wk you haul her all the way up here to N. FL and save money and
put her in a storage lot and fix her there. Live in a tent at a
travel trailer park or move from State Park to State Park till you can
move back aboard. Embrace the castaway lifestyle.
Skip, you got screwed but lets get some optimism back here and get
this thing done. You wanted adventure, you got it, not what you
planned but you sure got a good story. If your bad heart didnt give
up when this happed, your prob alright. Plus, riding bikes for
transport has gotta be good for you. Re-arrange yer thinking when
fixing her, settle for strong but looks like hell over finely done.
Resale value is never a reall issue for sailboats and you shouldnt
care about that now. Is your standing rigging really that messed up?
Do you really need a car in the Keys? Most places will deliver stuff
and you have bikes. Consider a scooter as if you were college kids.
Not much I can do from way up here in Tallahassee but when you decide
how to fix her I'll chip in a couple gals of epoxy as a tribute to
stubborn optimism. I'll be in the Keys sometime in March and if
you're still there I'll drop by and say Hi.
Anybody else have any good suggestions for strong quick fixes?

On Feb 14, 5:31 pm, "Frogwatch" wrote:
I am not sure I really understand what is broken on her but it seems
to be an issue of access to an area that has broken loose from the
hull inside. I see no reason why this cannot be fixed quickly and I'd
have perfect confidence in such a fix. He seems to have problems with
getting the part that has torn loose to be pressed against the hull
but that is no problem, simply a matter of pressure X area. Put a
large inner tube in the boat and inflate it to press the part against
the inner hull. The inner tube will conform to whatever it is
pressing against.
I bet that where it is torn loose is so rough that even a secondary
bond will be as strong as a primary one.
You can get your epoxy in any viscosity you like, put it in one of
those plastic sprayers used to spray insecticide onto bushes and use
the thin metal wand to spray it in there.
Now, get that boat outa the Keys or at least outa the boat yard. For
$500/wk you haul her all the way up here to N. FL and save money and
put her in a storage lot and fix her there. Live in a tent at a
travel trailer park or move from State Park to State Park till you can
move back aboard. Embrace the castaway lifestyle.
Skip, you got screwed but lets get some optimism back here and get
this thing done. You wanted adventure, you got it, not what you
planned but you sure got a good story. If your bad heart didnt give
up when this happed, your prob alright. Plus, riding bikes for
transport has gotta be good for you. Re-arrange yer thinking when
fixing her, settle for strong but looks like hell over finely done.
Resale value is never a reall issue for sailboats and you shouldnt
care about that now. Is your standing rigging really that messed up?
Do you really need a car in the Keys? Most places will deliver stuff
and you have bikes. Consider a scooter as if you were college kids.
Not much I can do from way up here in Tallahassee but when you decide
how to fix her I'll chip in a couple gals of epoxy as a tribute to
stubborn optimism. I'll be in the Keys sometime in March and if
you're still there I'll drop by and say Hi.
Anybody else have any good suggestions for strong quick fixes?

Right on Frogwatch!

Fix the rudder and motor it to Indiantown. They have even got a camp
ground on site. Gotta be cheaper than the Keys.

http://www.indiantownmarina.com/

On Feb 14, 4:42 pm, "capt.bill11" wrote:
On Feb 14, 5:31 pm, "Frogwatch" wrote:



I am not sure I really understand what is broken on her but it seems
to be an issue of access to an area that has broken loose from the
hull inside. I see no reason why this cannot be fixed quickly and I'd
have perfect confidence in such a fix. He seems to have problems with
getting the part that has torn loose to be pressed against the hull
but that is no problem, simply a matter of pressure X area. Put a
large inner tube in the boat and inflate it to press the part against
the inner hull. The inner tube will conform to whatever it is
pressing against.
I bet that where it is torn loose is so rough that even a secondary
bond will be as strong as a primary one.
You can get your epoxy in any viscosity you like, put it in one of
those plastic sprayers used to spray insecticide onto bushes and use
the thin metal wand to spray it in there.
Now, get that boat outa the Keys or at least outa the boat yard. For
$500/wk you haul her all the way up here to N. FL and save money and
put her in a storage lot and fix her there. Live in a tent at a
travel trailer park or move from State Park to State Park till you can
move back aboard. Embrace the castaway lifestyle.
Skip, you got screwed but lets get some optimism back here and get
this thing done. You wanted adventure, you got it, not what you
planned but you sure got a good story. If your bad heart didnt give
up when this happed, your prob alright. Plus, riding bikes for
transport has gotta be good for you. Re-arrange yer thinking when
fixing her, settle for strong but looks like hell over finely done.
Resale value is never a reall issue for sailboats and you shouldnt
care about that now. Is your standing rigging really that messed up?
Do you really need a car in the Keys? Most places will deliver stuff
and you have bikes. Consider a scooter as if you were college kids.
Not much I can do from way up here in Tallahassee but when you decide
how to fix her I'll chip in a couple gals of epoxy as a tribute to
stubborn optimism. I'll be in the Keys sometime in March and if
you're still there I'll drop by and say Hi.
Anybody else have any good suggestions for strong quick fixes?

Right on Frogwatch!

Fix the rudder and motor it to Indiantown. They have even got a camp
ground on site. Gotta be cheaper than the Keys.

http://www.indiantownmarina.com/

Capt Bill:

Thanks, you answered a question I had about my boat. I wanted to know
the cost of putting her on the hard at Indiantown if I sail her down
there.
However, $450/month for a slip, MY GOD THATS HIGH. I thought I was
getting screwed here at $205/month. I can get a slip at St. Marks, FL
on fresh water for less than $150/month.

For the good of mankind, and to keep me out of jail ... I hope I never
visit the $500 per week marina. Because if I do ..

When the jerk who owns the place gets done fixing everything I break, steal,
sabotage .. he will need $500 per day just to go back into business.


I think I would start with the "leachfield flush" if he has a septic system.
A little added bonus for his septic .. buy the time he has the contractor
there getting it fixed, and also spending a fortune I will be far far away.

Now, if this is city sewer, well then it is "pipe time" .. Nothing like
digging up the **** pipe to ruin the business owner's day.

Another fun thing to do for people like this is to invite a guest into the
restroom for the night. Not a two legged guest .. oh nooooo. A nasty
dirty, will probably take the health department weeks to recertify guest.

======
"Frogwatch" wrote in message
ups.com...
On Feb 14, 4:42 pm, "capt.bill11" wrote:
On Feb 14, 5:31 pm, "Frogwatch" wrote:



I am not sure I really understand what is broken on her but it seems
to be an issue of access to an area that has broken loose from the
hull inside. I see no reason why this cannot be fixed quickly and I'd
have perfect confidence in such a fix. He seems to have problems with
getting the part that has torn loose to be pressed against the hull
but that is no problem, simply a matter of pressure X area. Put a
large inner tube in the boat and inflate it to press the part against
the inner hull. The inner tube will conform to whatever it is
pressing against.
I bet that where it is torn loose is so rough that even a secondary
bond will be as strong as a primary one.
You can get your epoxy in any viscosity you like, put it in one of
those plastic sprayers used to spray insecticide onto bushes and use
the thin metal wand to spray it in there.
Now, get that boat outa the Keys or at least outa the boat yard. For
$500/wk you haul her all the way up here to N. FL and save money and
put her in a storage lot and fix her there. Live in a tent at a
travel trailer park or move from State Park to State Park till you can
move back aboard. Embrace the castaway lifestyle.
Skip, you got screwed but lets get some optimism back here and get
this thing done. You wanted adventure, you got it, not what you
planned but you sure got a good story. If your bad heart didnt give
up when this happed, your prob alright. Plus, riding bikes for
transport has gotta be good for you. Re-arrange yer thinking when
fixing her, settle for strong but looks like hell over finely done.
Resale value is never a reall issue for sailboats and you shouldnt
care about that now. Is your standing rigging really that messed up?
Do you really need a car in the Keys? Most places will deliver stuff
and you have bikes. Consider a scooter as if you were college kids.
Not much I can do from way up here in Tallahassee but when you decide
how to fix her I'll chip in a couple gals of epoxy as a tribute to
stubborn optimism. I'll be in the Keys sometime in March and if
you're still there I'll drop by and say Hi.
Anybody else have any good suggestions for strong quick fixes?

Right on Frogwatch!

Fix the rudder and motor it to Indiantown. They have even got a camp
ground on site. Gotta be cheaper than the Keys.

http://www.indiantownmarina.com/

Capt Bill:

Thanks, you answered a question I had about my boat. I wanted to know
the cost of putting her on the hard at Indiantown if I sail her down
there.
However, $450/month for a slip, MY GOD THATS HIGH. I thought I was
getting screwed here at $205/month. I can get a slip at St. Marks, FL
on fresh water for less than $150/month.

In article MyMAh.6408$2%1.4335@trndny02,
NE Sailboat wrote:
For the good of mankind, and to keep me out of jail ... I hope I never
visit the $500 per week marina. Because if I do ..

When the jerk who owns the place gets done fixing everything I break, steal,
sabotage .. he will need $500 per day just to go back into business.

I once paid $ 90 for one day ($ 3 per foot).

http://www.ldlcasino.com/staying/accommodations/

ron
--
Ron Roberts or Phone (512) 219-0043
Usenet invented "no controlling legal authority."

Frogwatch wrote:
On Feb 14, 4:42 pm, "capt.bill11" wrote:
On Feb 14, 5:31 pm, "Frogwatch" wrote:



I am not sure I really understand what is broken on her but it seems
to be an issue of access to an area that has broken loose from the
hull inside. I see no reason why this cannot be fixed quickly and I'd
have perfect confidence in such a fix. He seems to have problems with
getting the part that has torn loose to be pressed against the hull
but that is no problem, simply a matter of pressure X area. Put a
large inner tube in the boat and inflate it to press the part against
the inner hull. The inner tube will conform to whatever it is
pressing against.
I bet that where it is torn loose is so rough that even a secondary
bond will be as strong as a primary one.
You can get your epoxy in any viscosity you like, put it in one of
those plastic sprayers used to spray insecticide onto bushes and use
the thin metal wand to spray it in there.
Now, get that boat outa the Keys or at least outa the boat yard. For
$500/wk you haul her all the way up here to N. FL and save money and
put her in a storage lot and fix her there. Live in a tent at a
travel trailer park or move from State Park to State Park till you can
move back aboard. Embrace the castaway lifestyle.
Skip, you got screwed but lets get some optimism back here and get
this thing done. You wanted adventure, you got it, not what you
planned but you sure got a good story. If your bad heart didnt give
up when this happed, your prob alright. Plus, riding bikes for
transport has gotta be good for you. Re-arrange yer thinking when
fixing her, settle for strong but looks like hell over finely done.
Resale value is never a reall issue for sailboats and you shouldnt
care about that now. Is your standing rigging really that messed up?
Do you really need a car in the Keys? Most places will deliver stuff
and you have bikes. Consider a scooter as if you were college kids.
Not much I can do from way up here in Tallahassee but when you decide
how to fix her I'll chip in a couple gals of epoxy as a tribute to
stubborn optimism. I'll be in the Keys sometime in March and if
you're still there I'll drop by and say Hi.
Anybody else have any good suggestions for strong quick fixes?
Right on Frogwatch!

Fix the rudder and motor it to Indiantown. They have even got a camp
ground on site. Gotta be cheaper than the Keys.

http://www.indiantownmarina.com/

Capt Bill:

Thanks, you answered a question I had about my boat. I wanted to know
the cost of putting her on the hard at Indiantown if I sail her down
there.
However, $450/month for a slip, MY GOD THATS HIGH. I thought I was
getting screwed here at $205/month. I can get a slip at St. Marks, FL
on fresh water for less than $150/month.

I checked on a slip in Stewart, FL be cause we were thinking of moving
there. The cheapest I could find for a 38' boat was $800/mo + elec and
water. And there was a waiting list of at least 1 year.
krj

On Feb 14, 6:38 pm, krj wrote:
Frogwatch wrote:
On Feb 14, 4:42 pm, "capt.bill11" wrote:
On Feb 14, 5:31 pm, "Frogwatch" wrote:

I am not sure I really understand what is broken on her but it seems
to be an issue of access to an area that has broken loose from the
hull inside. I see no reason why this cannot be fixed quickly and I'd
have perfect confidence in such a fix. He seems to have problems with
getting the part that has torn loose to be pressed against the hull
but that is no problem, simply a matter of pressure X area. Put a
large inner tube in the boat and inflate it to press the part against
the inner hull. The inner tube will conform to whatever it is
pressing against.
I bet that where it is torn loose is so rough that even a secondary
bond will be as strong as a primary one.
You can get your epoxy in any viscosity you like, put it in one of
those plastic sprayers used to spray insecticide onto bushes and use
the thin metal wand to spray it in there.
Now, get that boat outa the Keys or at least outa the boat yard. For
$500/wk you haul her all the way up here to N. FL and save money and
put her in a storage lot and fix her there. Live in a tent at a
travel trailer park or move from State Park to State Park till you can
move back aboard. Embrace the castaway lifestyle.
Skip, you got screwed but lets get some optimism back here and get
this thing done. You wanted adventure, you got it, not what you
planned but you sure got a good story. If your bad heart didnt give
up when this happed, your prob alright. Plus, riding bikes for
transport has gotta be good for you. Re-arrange yer thinking when
fixing her, settle for strong but looks like hell over finely done.
Resale value is never a reall issue for sailboats and you shouldnt
care about that now. Is your standing rigging really that messed up?
Do you really need a car in the Keys? Most places will deliver stuff
and you have bikes. Consider a scooter as if you were college kids.
Not much I can do from way up here in Tallahassee but when you decide
how to fix her I'll chip in a couple gals of epoxy as a tribute to
stubborn optimism. I'll be in the Keys sometime in March and if
you're still there I'll drop by and say Hi.
Anybody else have any good suggestions for strong quick fixes?
Right on Frogwatch!

Fix the rudder and motor it to Indiantown. They have even got a camp
ground on site. Gotta be cheaper than the Keys.

http://www.indiantownmarina.com/

Capt Bill:

Thanks, you answered a question I had about my boat. I wanted to know
the cost of putting her on the hard at Indiantown if I sail her down
there.
However, $450/month for a slip, MY GOD THATS HIGH. I thought I was
getting screwed here at $205/month. I can get a slip at St. Marks, FL
on fresh water for less than $150/month.

I checked on a slip in Stewart, FL be cause we were thinking of moving
there. The cheapest I could find for a 38' boat was $800/mo + elec and
water. And there was a waiting list of at least 1 year.
krj

OK, back off people. Consider the bizarre prices on coastal real
estate and you realize that there is nearly no way a marina can make
money if they have recently bought the place. Here is the problem:
All of us Florida residents who do not live near the coast are
subsidizing the real cost of insuring property on th coast. This
means that coastal property has become a no-risk investment driving up
the cost of property that used to be used for marinas. The cure for
this is to allow the insurers to charge the real cost of insuring
property on the coast while cutting the costs for those who live far
from the coast. I am tired of living frugally so I can help insure
million dollar mansions on MY SHORES.

On Feb 14, 6:59 pm, "Frogwatch" wrote:
On Feb 14, 6:38 pm, krj wrote:



Frogwatch wrote:
On Feb 14, 4:42 pm, "capt.bill11" wrote:
On Feb 14, 5:31 pm, "Frogwatch" wrote:

I am not sure I really understand what is broken on her but it seems
to be an issue of access to an area that has broken loose from the
hull inside. I see no reason why this cannot be fixed quickly and I'd
have perfect confidence in such a fix. He seems to have problems with
getting the part that has torn loose to be pressed against the hull
but that is no problem, simply a matter of pressure X area. Put a
large inner tube in the boat and inflate it to press the part against
the inner hull. The inner tube will conform to whatever it is
pressing against.
I bet that where it is torn loose is so rough that even a secondary
bond will be as strong as a primary one.
You can get your epoxy in any viscosity you like, put it in one of
those plastic sprayers used to spray insecticide onto bushes and use
the thin metal wand to spray it in there.
Now, get that boat outa the Keys or at least outa the boat yard. For
$500/wk you haul her all the way up here to N. FL and save money and
put her in a storage lot and fix her there. Live in a tent at a
travel trailer park or move from State Park to State Park till you can
move back aboard. Embrace the castaway lifestyle.
Skip, you got screwed but lets get some optimism back here and get
this thing done. You wanted adventure, you got it, not what you
planned but you sure got a good story. If your bad heart didnt give
up when this happed, your prob alright. Plus, riding bikes for
transport has gotta be good for you. Re-arrange yer thinking when
fixing her, settle for strong but looks like hell over finely done.
Resale value is never a reall issue for sailboats and you shouldnt
care about that now. Is your standing rigging really that messed up?
Do you really need a car in the Keys? Most places will deliver stuff
and you have bikes. Consider a scooter as if you were college kids.
Not much I can do from way up here in Tallahassee but when you decide
how to fix her I'll chip in a couple gals of epoxy as a tribute to
stubborn optimism. I'll be in the Keys sometime in March and if
you're still there I'll drop by and say Hi.
Anybody else have any good suggestions for strong quick fixes?
Right on Frogwatch!

Fix the rudder and motor it to Indiantown. They have even got a camp
ground on site. Gotta be cheaper than the Keys.

http://www.indiantownmarina.com/

Capt Bill:

Thanks, you answered a question I had about my boat. I wanted to know
the cost of putting her on the hard at Indiantown if I sail her down
there.
However, $450/month for a slip, MY GOD THATS HIGH. I thought I was
getting screwed here at $205/month. I can get a slip at St. Marks, FL
on fresh water for less than $150/month.

I checked on a slip in Stewart, FL be cause we were thinking of moving
there. The cheapest I could find for a 38' boat was $800/mo + elec and
water. And there was a waiting list of at least 1 year.
krj

OK, back off people. Consider the bizarre prices on coastal real
estate and you realize that there is nearly no way a marina can make
money if they have recently bought the place. Here is the problem:
All of us Florida residents who do not live near the coast are
subsidizing the real cost of insuring property on th coast. This
means that coastal property has become a no-risk investment driving up
the cost of property that used to be used for marinas. The cure for
this is to allow the insurers to charge the real cost of insuring
property on the coast while cutting the costs for those who live far
from the coast. I am tired of living frugally so I can help insure
million dollar mansions on MY SHORES.

OK, here is an interesting discussion of epoxy secondary bonding.
http://www.acmanet.org/cm/1006/feature_a1006.cfm
It says that a tie coat can be used of some type of vinylester resin.
I doubt this would be useful to "Flying Pig" However, it also says
that a secondary bond of epoxy to polyester is roughly 80% the
strength of the underlying laminate. If possible to fill the gap with
epoxy, I'd put my faith in it. Put this in perspective, even a Mac 26
is probably strong enough to go through a big hurricane if it was
sealed up. No matter what Skip does to Flying Pig, she's gonna be
stronger in a storm than he is.

On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 23:03:08 GMT, "NE Sailboat"
wrote:

For the good of mankind, and to keep me out of jail ... I hope I never
visit the $500 per week marina. Because if I do ..

You obviously have *no* idea what water front property in the Keys is
worth , or how much it costs to carry it.

All of us boaters are lucky that it has not yet been converted to
condos or a resort.

On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 23:03:08 GMT, "NE Sailboat"
wrote:

For the good of mankind, and to keep me out of jail ... I hope I never
visit the $500 per week marina. Because if I do ..

Where I am, $500 a week is cheap.