Gogarty wrote:
Well! I am astonished at the tone of this thread from a bunch of people who
by all rights should be off the wall right wing nuts. Bravo!

If you want to go to Cuba, what is to stop you from going via any other
country in the region rather than directly from the U.S.?

It is not the going to Cuba that is the problem.
It is the coming back to the USA with the Cuban
stamp in your passport.

Heck, anyone could sail down to Cayman Brac, and
then go to Cuba from there. If you do though,
you'd better be ready to "lose" your passport and
get a new one at one of the US embassies in some
foreign country. A lot of hassle just to visit a
particular country.

Personally, I do not know why the USA is still
embargoing Cuba when we are running a HUGE trade
defecit with Communist China, and thereby funding
the modernization of the Chinese military.

However those are the rules as of today.

Don W.

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"Don W" wrote in message
news
Gogarty wrote:
Well! I am astonished at the tone of this thread from a bunch of people
who by all rights should be off the wall right wing nuts. Bravo!

If you want to go to Cuba, what is to stop you from going via any other
country in the region rather than directly from the U.S.?

It is not the going to Cuba that is the problem. It is the coming back to
the USA with the Cuban stamp in your passport.

Heck, anyone could sail down to Cayman Brac, and then go to Cuba from
there. If you do though, you'd better be ready to "lose" your passport
and get a new one at one of the US embassies in some foreign country. A
lot of hassle just to visit a particular country.

Personally, I do not know why the USA is still embargoing Cuba when we are
running a HUGE trade defecit with Communist China, and thereby funding the
modernization of the Chinese military.

However those are the rules as of today.

Don W.
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You don't get your passport stamped. As in , officially you have never been
there. This is the risk; you get in trouble while in Cuba. But, you are
not really in Cuba .. are you. With no passport, you are a non existant
person.

Boats from the USA have been visiting Cuba for years. Many fishing boats
go. And sailboats. It helps to know how the whole system works, but the
Cubans don't care. They want the money.

Isn't this completely nuts. Cuba is 90 miles from Key West. China is over
the other side of the world. Both are Communist. You can visit Vietnam, or
anyplace else. Yet; you can't go to Cuba?

And you wonder why I think the US government is F..ked up!

What is the reason going to be once Castro takes the retirement package.
What?

There is only one reason the US government doesn't want us traveling to
Cuba; money. When Castro took over back in 1960, he took possesion of many
assets that were US company assets. The telephone system for one. Those
companies run the US government.. you know it, and I know it. This is all
about money, money money. Oh, and then we have the Cubans living in Miami.
They are a pain in the ass.

Viva la Cuba

Don W wrote:

Gogarty wrote:

Well! I am astonished at the tone of this thread from a bunch of
people who by all rights should be off the wall right wing nuts. Bravo!

If you want to go to Cuba, what is to stop you from going via any
other country in the region rather than directly from the U.S.?


It is not the going to Cuba that is the problem. It is the coming back
to the USA with the Cuban stamp in your passport.

Heck, anyone could sail down to Cayman Brac, and then go to Cuba from
there. If you do though, you'd better be ready to "lose" your passport
and get a new one at one of the US embassies in some foreign country. A
lot of hassle just to visit a particular country.

Personally, I do not know why the USA is still embargoing Cuba when we
are running a HUGE trade defecit with Communist China, and thereby
funding the modernization of the Chinese military.

However those are the rules as of today.

I believe the US lifted trade concessions with China when China agreed
to make capitalist changes to their economic system. Those changes
should inevitably lead them down the slippery slope to democracy.

Stephen

On Sat, 17 Feb 2007 21:16:06 -0500, Rick B. wrote:

I seem to recall he was a democrap.

and I seeem to reecall keelfiling you...must reset filters.

*plonk*

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"Stephen Trapani" wrote in message
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Don W wrote:

Gogarty wrote:

Well! I am astonished at the tone of this thread from a bunch of people
who by all rights should be off the wall right wing nuts. Bravo!

If you want to go to Cuba, what is to stop you from going via any other
country in the region rather than directly from the U.S.?


It is not the going to Cuba that is the problem. It is the coming back to
the USA with the Cuban stamp in your passport.

Heck, anyone could sail down to Cayman Brac, and then go to Cuba from
there. If you do though, you'd better be ready to "lose" your passport
and get a new one at one of the US embassies in some foreign country. A
lot of hassle just to visit a particular country.

Personally, I do not know why the USA is still embargoing Cuba when we
are running a HUGE trade defecit with Communist China, and thereby
funding the modernization of the Chinese military.

However those are the rules as of today.

I believe the US lifted trade concessions with China when China agreed to
make capitalist changes to their economic system. Those changes should
inevitably lead them down the slippery slope to democracy.

Stephen
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Stephen ,, China agreed to ??? Your kidding, right? The US lifted trade
when Walmart told the senators it pays for to do it.

Bought and paid for,, the whole US government. One big corrupt bunch of
thieves.

Are you living in do do land or what. If you are blind to the corruption of
the US government, I feel for ya.

ChinaMart .. go take a look. Everything on the shelves at ChinaMart is
from China; a communist country. Yet, an island 90 miles from Key West,
and we can't visit because why? If capitalism is curing China, why are we
not letting the Cubans have some medicine.

You seriously can't see what a corrupt government the US is. Mexicans can
come across the border; Bush doesn't care about that. We are building
power plants in Iraq so that Iraq becomes a democracy .............. but we
can't visit CUBA?

Are you F...king kidding me?

"Rick B." wrote in message
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On Sun, 18 Feb 2007 00:32:01 GMT, "NE Sailboat"
wrote:

And you wonder why I think the US government is F..ked up!


Damn...

February 8. The Kennedy administration prohibits travel to Cuba and
makes financial and commercial transactions with Cuba illegal for U.S.
citizens.

I seem to recall he was a democrap.

At the time, given the state of the "Cold War," the move was probably
justifiable. I might even go so far as to support the idea that it was
justifiable up until the fall of the Soviet Union, though I find it
reprehensible that any country should say to its Citizens, "Here you may not
go." But with the fall of the Soviet Union, any pretense that the US Embargo
of Cuba was an issue of "National Security" has crumbled away. Now it's
supposed to have something to do with...what, exactly? If Fidel is so evil,
why hasn't the US simply gone Abu Grahaib on his buttocks?

Anything this putrid has to be about money and power. I just can't see who
the players are.

"Stephen Trapani" wrote in message
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I believe the US lifted trade concessions with China when China agreed to
make capitalist changes to their economic system. Those changes should
inevitably lead them down the slippery slope to democracy.

Stephen

Why should it, if the Chinese people find themselves relatively prosperous,
if indeed not relatively wealthy beyond all dreams of avarice, under the
current Communist government? Their government is stable, the people have
more opportunities than ever in Chinese history, their country is at peace
with the world and they are seeing an influx of consumer toys to keep them
happy. What's to rebel against?

Fidel Castro became Prime Minister of Cuba in February 1959, and has held
effective power in the country until temporarily handing it over to his
brother for medical reasons in July 2006. At first, Castro was a
constitutional liberal and nationalist, and his victory was welcomed in Cuba
and in the United States. During 1959, Castro's government carried out
highly popular measures such as land reform, the nationalization of public
utilities, and the suppression of the widespread corruption that had
developed under Batista, including closing down the gambling industry and
evicting the many Florida-based American mobsters operating on the island.

Castro flew to Washington, DC and sought to forge ties with the United
States, but was snubbed by President Eisenhower, who decided to attend a
golf tournament rather than meet with Castro.

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Hey Rick .. wasn't Eisenhower a Republican?

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In 1996 tourism supassed the sugar industry as the largest source of hard
currency for Cuba. Cuba has tripled its market share of Caribbean tourism in
the last decade, with large investment in tourism infrastructure this growth
rate is predicted to continue.[36] 1.9 million tourists visited Cuba in 2003
predominantly from Canada and the European Union, generating revenue of $2.1
billion.[37]

By boat
There are no regular ferries or boats to Cuba from foreign ports, although
some cruise liners do visit. Yachters are expected to anchor at the public
marinas. Also, most ports are closed and tourists are not permitted to walk
around them. Private vessels may enter at Marina Hemingway in Havana or
Marina Acua in Varadero. Entry requires a US passport, but there are no visa
requirements. Expect to hand out several $10.00 dollar bills to facilitate
your entry. Your passport will not be stamped by Cuban authorities unless
you request it. Anticipate that your boat will be photographed by American
officials from the American Interests Section. You will likely be
intercepted upon your return to America and fined $5000.00, although this is
just a formality. You will not be expected to actually pay this fine nor
have there been any repercussions or attempts to collect. The only attempt
to prosecute was the case of Peter Goldsmith v United States. This case was
dismissed with prejudice in late 2004 in the Miami District Court.

Huumm ,,, seems as if our corrupt government doesn't want to go to court. I
wonder why.

YA THINK THAT JUST MAYBE SOMEONE WITH SOME BALLS MIGHT ASK THE JUDGE "WHY IS
IT I CAN VISIT CHINA AND NOT CUBA"... YA THINK?



















"Rick B." wrote in message
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On Sun, 18 Feb 2007 00:32:01 GMT, "NE Sailboat"
wrote:

And you wonder why I think the US government is F..ked up!


Damn...

February 8. The Kennedy administration prohibits travel to Cuba and
makes financial and commercial transactions with Cuba illegal for U.S.
citizens.

I seem to recall he was a democrap.

KLC Lewis wrote:
"Stephen Trapani" wrote in message
...

I believe the US lifted trade concessions with China when China agreed to
make capitalist changes to their economic system. Those changes should
inevitably lead them down the slippery slope to democracy.

Stephen


Why should it, if the Chinese people find themselves relatively prosperous,
if indeed not relatively wealthy beyond all dreams of avarice, under the
current Communist government? Their government is stable, the people have
more opportunities than ever in Chinese history, their country is at peace
with the world and they are seeing an influx of consumer toys to keep them
happy. What's to rebel against?

No rebellion necessary for democracy, just like there was no rebellion
necessary for the capitalist changes that occurred.

Stephen

"Stephen Trapani" wrote in message
...
KLC Lewis wrote:
"Stephen Trapani" wrote in message
...

I believe the US lifted trade concessions with China when China agreed to
make capitalist changes to their economic system. Those changes should
inevitably lead them down the slippery slope to democracy.

Stephen


Why should it, if the Chinese people find themselves relatively
prosperous, if indeed not relatively wealthy beyond all dreams of
avarice, under the current Communist government? Their government is
stable, the people have more opportunities than ever in Chinese history,
their country is at peace with the world and they are seeing an influx of
consumer toys to keep them happy. What's to rebel against?

No rebellion necessary for democracy, just like there was no rebellion
necessary for the capitalist changes that occurred.

Stephen

No rebellion necessary for democracy? Interesting theory. Have you told the
Imbecile-In-Chief?