Gogarty wrote:
Well! I am astonished at the tone of this thread from a bunch of people who
by all rights should be off the wall right wing nuts. Bravo!

If you want to go to Cuba, what is to stop you from going via any other
country in the region rather than directly from the U.S.?

It is not the going to Cuba that is the problem.
It is the coming back to the USA with the Cuban
stamp in your passport.

Heck, anyone could sail down to Cayman Brac, and
then go to Cuba from there. If you do though,
you'd better be ready to "lose" your passport and
get a new one at one of the US embassies in some
foreign country. A lot of hassle just to visit a
particular country.

Personally, I do not know why the USA is still
embargoing Cuba when we are running a HUGE trade
defecit with Communist China, and thereby funding
the modernization of the Chinese military.

However those are the rules as of today.

Don W.

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"Don W" wrote in message
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Gogarty wrote:
Well! I am astonished at the tone of this thread from a bunch of people
who by all rights should be off the wall right wing nuts. Bravo!

If you want to go to Cuba, what is to stop you from going via any other
country in the region rather than directly from the U.S.?

It is not the going to Cuba that is the problem. It is the coming back to
the USA with the Cuban stamp in your passport.

Heck, anyone could sail down to Cayman Brac, and then go to Cuba from
there. If you do though, you'd better be ready to "lose" your passport
and get a new one at one of the US embassies in some foreign country. A
lot of hassle just to visit a particular country.

Personally, I do not know why the USA is still embargoing Cuba when we are
running a HUGE trade defecit with Communist China, and thereby funding the
modernization of the Chinese military.

However those are the rules as of today.

Don W.
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You don't get your passport stamped. As in , officially you have never been
there. This is the risk; you get in trouble while in Cuba. But, you are
not really in Cuba .. are you. With no passport, you are a non existant
person.

Boats from the USA have been visiting Cuba for years. Many fishing boats
go. And sailboats. It helps to know how the whole system works, but the
Cubans don't care. They want the money.

Isn't this completely nuts. Cuba is 90 miles from Key West. China is over
the other side of the world. Both are Communist. You can visit Vietnam, or
anyplace else. Yet; you can't go to Cuba?

And you wonder why I think the US government is F..ked up!

What is the reason going to be once Castro takes the retirement package.
What?

There is only one reason the US government doesn't want us traveling to
Cuba; money. When Castro took over back in 1960, he took possesion of many
assets that were US company assets. The telephone system for one. Those
companies run the US government.. you know it, and I know it. This is all
about money, money money. Oh, and then we have the Cubans living in Miami.
They are a pain in the ass.

Viva la Cuba

On Sun, 18 Feb 2007 00:32:01 GMT, "NE Sailboat"
wrote:

There is only one reason the US government doesn't want us traveling to
Cuba; money.

Not really. The Bush administration did it to pander to the right
wing Cuban ex-pat community in Florida as a political quid pro quo.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quid_pro_quo

On Feb 19, 4:44 pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 18 Feb 2007 00:32:01 GMT, "NE Sailboat"
wrote:

There is only one reason the US government doesn't want us traveling to
Cuba; money.

Not really. The Bush administration did it to pander to the right
wing Cuban ex-pat community in Florida as a political quid pro quo.

For thoes motor boat types it means, you scratch my back I scratch
yours. Or Tit for tat. Or Equal measure for ....Personally I prefer
the tit. If I just had a tat maybe Id get some tit.
Board bob

"Bob" wrote in message
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On Feb 19, 4:44 pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 18 Feb 2007 00:32:01 GMT, "NE Sailboat"
wrote:

There is only one reason the US government doesn't want us traveling to
Cuba; money.

Not really. The Bush administration did it to pander to the right
wing Cuban ex-pat community in Florida as a political quid pro quo.

For thoes motor boat types it means, you scratch my back I scratch
yours. Or Tit for tat. Or Equal measure for ....Personally I prefer
the tit. If I just had a tat maybe Id get some tit.
Board bob


Someone usually goes to jail for that, Bob.

Don W wrote:

Gogarty wrote:

Well! I am astonished at the tone of this thread from a bunch of
people who by all rights should be off the wall right wing nuts. Bravo!

If you want to go to Cuba, what is to stop you from going via any
other country in the region rather than directly from the U.S.?


It is not the going to Cuba that is the problem. It is the coming back
to the USA with the Cuban stamp in your passport.

Heck, anyone could sail down to Cayman Brac, and then go to Cuba from
there. If you do though, you'd better be ready to "lose" your passport
and get a new one at one of the US embassies in some foreign country. A
lot of hassle just to visit a particular country.

Personally, I do not know why the USA is still embargoing Cuba when we
are running a HUGE trade defecit with Communist China, and thereby
funding the modernization of the Chinese military.

However those are the rules as of today.

I believe the US lifted trade concessions with China when China agreed
to make capitalist changes to their economic system. Those changes
should inevitably lead them down the slippery slope to democracy.

Stephen

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"Stephen Trapani" wrote in message
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Don W wrote:

Gogarty wrote:

Well! I am astonished at the tone of this thread from a bunch of people
who by all rights should be off the wall right wing nuts. Bravo!

If you want to go to Cuba, what is to stop you from going via any other
country in the region rather than directly from the U.S.?


It is not the going to Cuba that is the problem. It is the coming back to
the USA with the Cuban stamp in your passport.

Heck, anyone could sail down to Cayman Brac, and then go to Cuba from
there. If you do though, you'd better be ready to "lose" your passport
and get a new one at one of the US embassies in some foreign country. A
lot of hassle just to visit a particular country.

Personally, I do not know why the USA is still embargoing Cuba when we
are running a HUGE trade defecit with Communist China, and thereby
funding the modernization of the Chinese military.

However those are the rules as of today.

I believe the US lifted trade concessions with China when China agreed to
make capitalist changes to their economic system. Those changes should
inevitably lead them down the slippery slope to democracy.

Stephen
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Stephen ,, China agreed to ??? Your kidding, right? The US lifted trade
when Walmart told the senators it pays for to do it.

Bought and paid for,, the whole US government. One big corrupt bunch of
thieves.

Are you living in do do land or what. If you are blind to the corruption of
the US government, I feel for ya.

ChinaMart .. go take a look. Everything on the shelves at ChinaMart is
from China; a communist country. Yet, an island 90 miles from Key West,
and we can't visit because why? If capitalism is curing China, why are we
not letting the Cubans have some medicine.

You seriously can't see what a corrupt government the US is. Mexicans can
come across the border; Bush doesn't care about that. We are building
power plants in Iraq so that Iraq becomes a democracy .............. but we
can't visit CUBA?

Are you F...king kidding me?

"NE Sailboat" wrote in news:lkPBh.850$ZF1.466
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Bought and paid for,, the whole US government. One big corrupt bunch of
thieves.



Since 1776. It was started by a corrupt bunch of thieves. It's gotten
much worse since the bankers bought 'em off in 1913 and they abrogated
monetary policy and turned the money/gold over to the Federal Reserve Bank
Corporation, which as as much to do with the government as Federal Express.

This caused two huge wars and a continuation of much smaller ones, like the
ones Israel and their bankers have us in, now....

More wars, more debt, more interest.....It's not rocket science.

Larry
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Let the hangings begin!

"Stephen Trapani" wrote in message
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I believe the US lifted trade concessions with China when China agreed to
make capitalist changes to their economic system. Those changes should
inevitably lead them down the slippery slope to democracy.

Stephen

Why should it, if the Chinese people find themselves relatively prosperous,
if indeed not relatively wealthy beyond all dreams of avarice, under the
current Communist government? Their government is stable, the people have
more opportunities than ever in Chinese history, their country is at peace
with the world and they are seeing an influx of consumer toys to keep them
happy. What's to rebel against?

KLC Lewis wrote:
"Stephen Trapani" wrote in message
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I believe the US lifted trade concessions with China when China agreed to
make capitalist changes to their economic system. Those changes should
inevitably lead them down the slippery slope to democracy.

Stephen


Why should it, if the Chinese people find themselves relatively prosperous,
if indeed not relatively wealthy beyond all dreams of avarice, under the
current Communist government? Their government is stable, the people have
more opportunities than ever in Chinese history, their country is at peace
with the world and they are seeing an influx of consumer toys to keep them
happy. What's to rebel against?

No rebellion necessary for democracy, just like there was no rebellion
necessary for the capitalist changes that occurred.

Stephen