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"Jessica B" wrote in message
... On Wed, 30 Mar 2011 18:52:01 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: "Jessica B" wrote in message . .. On Tue, 29 Mar 2011 14:22:35 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: "Jessica B" wrote in message m... On Sat, 26 Mar 2011 19:23:55 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: "Jessica B" wrote in message news:jsgio6l88tv5vm0u3gjqs4o32lm68rdrco@4ax. com... On Tue, 22 Mar 2011 15:25:41 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: snippage I've seen way more sailors who use their engine as a crutch in lieu of learning how to handle their boat under sail. I've even had some of the Rubes in this very group try to say it's irresponsible to anchor under sail if there are other boats anchored. They say such nonsense because they never learned how to anchor under sail and if they tried they would most likely ram somebody. If they weren't so inept or inexperienced they would discover that a sailboat has better steering functionality under a balanced sailplan than under engine power alone. I'd imagine that if the sailor is experienced in anchoring when sailing that it wouldn't matter if there were rocks or other boats around. I don't think I could do it, but .... You could do it, Jessica, once you familiarized yourself with the characteristics and handling of your sailboat, the ground tackle, bottom conditions and wind/current. Like anything else it just takes some experience and some understanding of how things work. With your analytical mind, you'd be anchoring under sail with the best of them in no time. It's more about finesse than muscle. Even a big strong man simply cannot muscle a four-ton sailboat into place. On the contrary, one must know what the boat is going to do and let the boat do it in the direction and velocity one desires. A sailboat is like a woman. You gotta let her do what she wants but you have to know what she wants to do and then everything goes as expected. I hope we're going to get a lesson! I'm up for it if you have a pair of gloves I can use. I do. They might be a little large but they'll work. You'll like my ground tackle. The anchors aren't too big and they aren't all rusty and the length of chain is nice polished stainless steel. I get those gloves with the little rubber dots on the palm side for better grip as the stainless steel tends to be slippery when wet. I'll be sure to have an extra pair or two at the ready for you ladies. I've gotta get to the gym. Then, I'll email you more, but let me know you got the last one!! Work on the abs and biceps. You probably already have the legs being a track star. An anchor full of mud weighs about a hundred pounds. LOL! Just kidding. Wilbur Hubbard Definitely get some gloves! 100 lbs? No prob. Will do, they are cheap at the Dollar Store. I spent all afternoon doing a good spring cleaning in the v-berth. My, but what a disgusting mess in all the nooks and crannies. Mold and mildew and dust and cat hair. I sure hope you and Jimbo aren't allergic to cats. I had to go over everything with bleach and water. Even the little nylon cargo nets that hang along the ceiling (on a boat, ceiling means the walls on the inside of the hull) were dark with mildew. They are supposed to be white but they looked black when I removed all the miscellaneous junk and tossed about half of it into the garbage. I washed them in strong bleach, detergent and water solution and they turned out nice and white again. Tomorrow, I'm working my way aft cleaning and getting rid of a lot of stuff I haven't used in a year or so. I figure if I haven't used it in a year it's time for it to go. Otherwise the boat just gets too cluttered with junk. I've bagged up all the unused crap and tossed it into the dinghy to take it ashore for the dumpster and the dinghy is down on its lines. Must be 100 pounds of crap - mostly old books. Now that I bought a Kindle I don't need to carry a bunch of books. I also have a new digital portable TV you or Jimbo can have if you want it. It's a little, seven inch flat screen HDTV. I bought it a few months ago but it turns out we're too far from Miami here and there's no stations within range without some fancy tall TV antenna. So, it's useless for me. Wilbur Hubbard Neither of us are allergic. Buuuuut... thanks for doing a cleaning!! Probably it was a good idea anyway! Yes, it always surprises me how much dust can collect in a boat. Thanks about the TV... not sure if either of us wants it, but we can decide later right? If neither of you has any use for it (I know you aren't much into TV which is a good thing), I'll find somebody to give it to. I should probably do something similar as far as cleaning goes. I'm going to get my brother to visit when he gets in town, so I don't want to gross him out. :-) Don't worry, most men don't even notice things like that. Besides, he'll be too busy hobbling around for a while longer to be bothered with it. Well, I'm outta here.. the weather turned really beautiful including warming up, so I'm going for a ride.. Good for you. Keeping those legs in shape will make you a better sailor. As the boat sails over the "bounding main" the legs are always working to maintain balance. I haven't ridden this week since I did a fast 100 miles Sunday (about five hours riding time). Since I have a time trials this Sunday, I'm letting my leg muscles get saturated with all the good nutrients. Being a track person, I bet you've heard of glycogen super compensation? Wilbur Hubbard |
#212
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"Bruce" wrote in message
... On Wed, 30 Mar 2011 18:35:06 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: "Jessica B" wrote in message . .. On Tue, 29 Mar 2011 14:08:47 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: "Jessica B" wrote in message m... On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 05:57:04 +0700, Bruce in Bangkok wrote: snippage A beautiful try Willie-boy; unfortunately you missed it. You 'mericans are not the final arbitrator of the English language. See the extract from the dictionary below: phoney ~ noun very rare 1. a person who professes beliefs and opinions that he or she does not hold in order to conceal his or her real feelings or motives phoney ~ adj very rare 1. fraudulent; having a misleading appearance As I said, if you keep your mouth shut nobody will ever notice how ignorant you are. That seems pretty desperate. You should admit when you're wrong about something especially if it's a small thing. BINGO! Very rare? Bruce must confuse steaks with phony. lol Ha.. I see you admitted you were wrong about the tides thing with Mark. So, it seems you aren't desperate to be right even if you're wrong about something. Seems pretty adult and smart to me! Thanks. Somebody's got to act mature around here. Bruce is so childish with his constant name-calling. Somebody's also got to provide some balance for Bruce who, even when he's totally wrong, like in spelling phony wrong, even managed to find some antique dictionary that had a 'very rare' spelling of 'phoney' to attempt to justify his erroneous spelling rather than man up and admit he was mistaken. Real sailors don't act like that. LOL! Wilbur Hubbard My goodness Willie-boy but your reading comprehensive is sadly lacking. The dictionary I use is WordNet, a free open lexical database for English, by Cognitive Science Laboratory of Princeton University under the direction of psychology professor George A. Miller. Being supported by one of the better U.S. collages I would assume that it would be satisfactory. By the way, the classification "very rare" refers to the word's use in common English usage. Your preferred spelling "phony" is rated exactly the same. So, once again the fabled "Outboard Willie" proves that it is better to be quiet and be thought a fool then to speak and prove it. I just have one question for you, Bruce. Isn't a "collage" an art form made from various and sundry smaller parts? So pray tell what does this form of art have to do with your misspelling phony as 'phoney'? Enquiring minds wish to know. LOL! Wilbur Hubbard |
#213
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"Bruce" wrote in message
... On Thu, 31 Mar 2011 09:25:02 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: "Bruce" wrote in message . .. On Wed, 30 Mar 2011 16:33:41 -0700, Jessica B wrote: snip Sorry for the confusion. I believe I also said somewhere that if there was a window of 10 days, and you had the choice of being on a boat that could easily do it in 7 vs 10, it would be safer to go on the faster boat. Your illustration is flawed, or at least not applicable to anyone with a modicum of sense. To use your example: A storm is coming, estimated to arrive in 10 days. to use my estimate that it will take you 7 days to reach harbour. as I said, your estimate can be off by large factors due to unforeseen reasons. But it is immaterial anyway. Weather estimates are seldom perfectly accurate and if you talk about weather severe enough to be of danger no one sets out for a voyage knowing that he will encounter really bad weather if he can't maintain his planned speed. Good grief, just when I thought you couldn't possible get any more thick, you do it. Wilbur Hubbard Yet another example of the amazing ignorance of the Armchair Sailor. Or do you deliberately sail off into the typhoon? (Well, perhaps you might.... if you ever sailed at all) PKB! Talk about ignorance . . . Poor Bruce is so sadly lacking in sailing knowledge. Why do I say this at this point? It is because of his using the word "typhoon" out of context. Doesn't he know that no typhoons occur other than in the Western Pacific and Indian Oceans? Most certainly there are no typhoons in the western Atlantic or the Caribbean Sea/Gulf of Mexico where I sail. Wilbur Hubbard |
#214
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On Thu, 31 Mar 2011 10:03:35 +0700, Bruce
wrote: On Wed, 30 Mar 2011 16:32:32 -0700, Jessica B wrote: On Thu, 31 Mar 2011 06:19:40 +0700, Bruce wrote: On Wed, 30 Mar 2011 15:15:06 -0700, Jessica B wrote: On Wed, 30 Mar 2011 08:13:00 +0700, Bruce wrote: On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 22:20:20 -0500, CaveLamb wrote: Jessica B wrote: Sorry, but I just don't understand the logic. Sorry, I was trying to explain why it is illogical to attempt to outrun weather patterns in a vehicle that thunders through the waves at 5 miles an hour - A kid on a Huffy can outrun you. Sheehs, a fast walker can "outrun" you. Cheers, Bruce (bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom) I didn't say out run anything. I thought we were talking about the difference between 5mph and 7mph over a distance. That's a significant time difference over a longish distance. Not really. It's not a different of days, at least. 200 nm at 5 knots = 100 hours 200 nm at 7 knots = 71 hours And if running from a storm you are running into a lee shore and shallow water - just before the storm hits? Pass... The problem with all these armchair estimates that in a trip of any length speeds are never that constant. Most people make an estimate of how many miles they can do a day knowing that it (hopefully) is, at best, an educated guess. One trip I did at least once a year for about 10 years was anything from an overnighter to something like 3 weeks (a bloke who's engine broke and, as he said, he damned near ran our of food drifting 5 miles that way and 4 miles back when the tide changed). Cheers, Bruce Logically you would always use an average, so I don't understand what would be wrong with estimates. As I told you, estimates are often wrong by a considerable margin - about 21 times as I mentioned above. Cheers, Bruce Your logical conclusion seems to be multiply your estimated time of travel by 21?? That's pretty excessive and it seems like you wouldn't be going anywhere. The example I gave (you really do need to read before commenting) as an example of why estimates are not always logical, simply answers your statement " I don't understand what would be wrong with estimates." Cheers, Bruce Please don't presume to tell me what to do. You claimed that estimates are off by wide margins, then went on to claim that your estimate of 21x was accurate for a particular circumstance. How in the world is a person supposed to estimate when it's safe or not safe to go if you don't look at predicted information?????? |
#215
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On Thu, 31 Mar 2011 12:41:48 +0700, Bruce
wrote: On Wed, 30 Mar 2011 16:35:15 -0700, Jessica B wrote: On Thu, 31 Mar 2011 06:30:16 +0700, Bruce wrote: On Wed, 30 Mar 2011 15:18:02 -0700, Jessica B wrote: On Wed, 30 Mar 2011 07:59:07 +0700, Bruce wrote: chop I can't imagine that having a good boat and proceeding at as fast as possible to avoid bad weather would somehow be more dangerous. Sorry, but I just don't understand the logic. Nor do I think that you have done much sailing. If you are going someplace you set forth using all the sails that the wind will allow. As time passes you alter that sail spread as the winds allow. It is not really a matter of going as fast as YOU want to go, rather going as fast as you CAN go. Cheers, Bruce I absolutely have not done much sailing. What point are you trying to make? Have I ever claimed that I was some experienced sailor? We're still talking about averages. I don't think anyone thinks a sailboat speed would be constant. You are really obtuse. Deliberately so? You say: "I can't imagine that having a good boat and proceeding at as fast as possible to avoid bad weather would somehow be more dangerous." and I'm simply saying that it is not a matter of going as fast or slow as possible. It is a matter of how hard the wind blows that governs things, something far outside the control of the boat and those in it. Cheers, Bruce I think you're deliberately twisting the meaning of what I was trying to say. I never said it was "simply" a matter of faster. I said it was a better idea! Well of course it depends on the wind, tides, etc. What does that have to do with anything??? Of course it depends on the winds, tides, etc. Which is the point I've been trying to convince you of. But what does that have to do with anything? Quite simply everything, as the winds and tides are what are causing you to move, assuming a sailboat, or course. Cheers, Bruce Like I said, I think you're twisting the meaning of what I said. It's like suddenly it's a revelation that it's not just a matter of going as fast as possible. Well, duhhh... this is your claim to expert knowledge??? |
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On Thu, 31 Mar 2011 09:59:28 +0700, Bruce
wrote: On Wed, 30 Mar 2011 18:35:06 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: "Jessica B" wrote in message . .. On Tue, 29 Mar 2011 14:08:47 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: "Jessica B" wrote in message m... On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 05:57:04 +0700, Bruce in Bangkok wrote: snippage A beautiful try Willie-boy; unfortunately you missed it. You 'mericans are not the final arbitrator of the English language. See the extract from the dictionary below: phoney ~ noun very rare 1. a person who professes beliefs and opinions that he or she does not hold in order to conceal his or her real feelings or motives phoney ~ adj very rare 1. fraudulent; having a misleading appearance As I said, if you keep your mouth shut nobody will ever notice how ignorant you are. That seems pretty desperate. You should admit when you're wrong about something especially if it's a small thing. BINGO! Very rare? Bruce must confuse steaks with phony. lol Ha.. I see you admitted you were wrong about the tides thing with Mark. So, it seems you aren't desperate to be right even if you're wrong about something. Seems pretty adult and smart to me! Thanks. Somebody's got to act mature around here. Bruce is so childish with his constant name-calling. Somebody's also got to provide some balance for Bruce who, even when he's totally wrong, like in spelling phony wrong, even managed to find some antique dictionary that had a 'very rare' spelling of 'phoney' to attempt to justify his erroneous spelling rather than man up and admit he was mistaken. Real sailors don't act like that. LOL! Wilbur Hubbard My goodness Willie-boy but your reading comprehensive is sadly lacking. The dictionary I use is WordNet, a free open lexical database for English, by Cognitive Science Laboratory of Princeton University under the direction of psychology professor George A. Miller. Being supported by one of the better U.S. collages I would assume that it would be satisfactory. By the way, the classification "very rare" refers to the word's use in common English usage. Your preferred spelling "phony" is rated exactly the same. So, once again the fabled "Outboard Willie" proves that it is better to be quiet and be thought a fool then to speak and prove it. Cheers, Bruce Sorry,but you're not making any sense. I think you're defending your (wrong) position simply because you can't stand to be wrong about anything. If I type 'define phony' (no quotes) into Google, I get the Princeton definition as the first hit. If I type 'define phoney' (no quotes), I get the familiar Did you mean: define phony. |
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On Fri, 1 Apr 2011 12:56:14 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote: "Jessica B" wrote in message .. . On Tue, 29 Mar 2011 14:13:54 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: "Jessica B" wrote in message ... snip JMB just e-mailed me. She sounds like an organized person and a go-getter. I CC'd you my reply to her. Things are looking good. She's got some firm dates in mind so check your inbox. Sounds like she's planning to rent a car at the airport so you two should coordinate your flights if you can so you can ride together. It sure would save me time going back and forth twice to the airport. In exchange I've offered to get you guys a room while you're here so you can have all the luxuries you're used to and a safe place for your luggage. Sounds like a deal to me. ;-) You're an EXCELLENT person! Thanks, I guess it takes one to know one. LOL! You're a real sweetheart, Jessica B! You deserve excellence. I promise to be better about email and such. I've just been swamped with job and personal stuff. I understand (now). Good to have you back. ;-) snip I'm picky... I only want the best... someone said that.. not sure who. It sure wasn't that ungentlemanly Bruce in Bangkok. . . How would you like to be married to him. Why, it wouldn't surprise me if his wife was miserable because he's verbally abused her for years. He seems to be well-practiced at it. Wilbur Hubbard AS I have repeatedly said - IGNORANT! You posted that little tirade as response to the wrong message. Do try to read before writing in the future. Cheers, Bruce |
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On Fri, 1 Apr 2011 13:18:03 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote: "Bruce" wrote in message .. . On Thu, 31 Mar 2011 09:25:02 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: "Bruce" wrote in message ... On Wed, 30 Mar 2011 16:33:41 -0700, Jessica B wrote: snip Sorry for the confusion. I believe I also said somewhere that if there was a window of 10 days, and you had the choice of being on a boat that could easily do it in 7 vs 10, it would be safer to go on the faster boat. Your illustration is flawed, or at least not applicable to anyone with a modicum of sense. To use your example: A storm is coming, estimated to arrive in 10 days. to use my estimate that it will take you 7 days to reach harbour. as I said, your estimate can be off by large factors due to unforeseen reasons. But it is immaterial anyway. Weather estimates are seldom perfectly accurate and if you talk about weather severe enough to be of danger no one sets out for a voyage knowing that he will encounter really bad weather if he can't maintain his planned speed. Good grief, just when I thought you couldn't possible get any more thick, you do it. Wilbur Hubbard Yet another example of the amazing ignorance of the Armchair Sailor. Or do you deliberately sail off into the typhoon? (Well, perhaps you might.... if you ever sailed at all) PKB! Talk about ignorance . . . Poor Bruce is so sadly lacking in sailing knowledge. Why do I say this at this point? It is because of his using the word "typhoon" out of context. Doesn't he know that no typhoons occur other than in the Western Pacific and Indian Oceans? Most certainly there are no typhoons in the western Atlantic or the Caribbean Sea/Gulf of Mexico where I sail. Wilbur Hubbard Willie-boy, I live in the Western Pacific and Indian Oceans. Cheers, Bruce |
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On Fri, 01 Apr 2011 16:24:05 -0700, Jessica B
wrote: On Thu, 31 Mar 2011 10:03:35 +0700, Bruce wrote: On Wed, 30 Mar 2011 16:32:32 -0700, Jessica B wrote: On Thu, 31 Mar 2011 06:19:40 +0700, Bruce wrote: On Wed, 30 Mar 2011 15:15:06 -0700, Jessica B wrote: On Wed, 30 Mar 2011 08:13:00 +0700, Bruce wrote: On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 22:20:20 -0500, CaveLamb wrote: Jessica B wrote: Sorry, but I just don't understand the logic. Sorry, I was trying to explain why it is illogical to attempt to outrun weather patterns in a vehicle that thunders through the waves at 5 miles an hour - A kid on a Huffy can outrun you. Sheehs, a fast walker can "outrun" you. Cheers, Bruce (bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom) I didn't say out run anything. I thought we were talking about the difference between 5mph and 7mph over a distance. That's a significant time difference over a longish distance. Not really. It's not a different of days, at least. 200 nm at 5 knots = 100 hours 200 nm at 7 knots = 71 hours And if running from a storm you are running into a lee shore and shallow water - just before the storm hits? Pass... The problem with all these armchair estimates that in a trip of any length speeds are never that constant. Most people make an estimate of how many miles they can do a day knowing that it (hopefully) is, at best, an educated guess. One trip I did at least once a year for about 10 years was anything from an overnighter to something like 3 weeks (a bloke who's engine broke and, as he said, he damned near ran our of food drifting 5 miles that way and 4 miles back when the tide changed). Cheers, Bruce Logically you would always use an average, so I don't understand what would be wrong with estimates. As I told you, estimates are often wrong by a considerable margin - about 21 times as I mentioned above. Cheers, Bruce Your logical conclusion seems to be multiply your estimated time of travel by 21?? That's pretty excessive and it seems like you wouldn't be going anywhere. The example I gave (you really do need to read before commenting) as an example of why estimates are not always logical, simply answers your statement " I don't understand what would be wrong with estimates." Cheers, Bruce Please don't presume to tell me what to do. You claimed that estimates are off by wide margins, then went on to claim that your estimate of 21x was accurate for a particular circumstance. How in the world is a person supposed to estimate when it's safe or not safe to go if you don't look at predicted information?????? No, as I said read before writing. I used the 21 day story to illustrate why estimates can be wildly wrong. Cheers, Bruce |
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On Fri, 01 Apr 2011 16:26:13 -0700, Jessica B
wrote: On Thu, 31 Mar 2011 12:41:48 +0700, Bruce wrote: On Wed, 30 Mar 2011 16:35:15 -0700, Jessica B wrote: On Thu, 31 Mar 2011 06:30:16 +0700, Bruce wrote: On Wed, 30 Mar 2011 15:18:02 -0700, Jessica B wrote: On Wed, 30 Mar 2011 07:59:07 +0700, Bruce wrote: chop I can't imagine that having a good boat and proceeding at as fast as possible to avoid bad weather would somehow be more dangerous. Sorry, but I just don't understand the logic. Nor do I think that you have done much sailing. If you are going someplace you set forth using all the sails that the wind will allow. As time passes you alter that sail spread as the winds allow. It is not really a matter of going as fast as YOU want to go, rather going as fast as you CAN go. Cheers, Bruce I absolutely have not done much sailing. What point are you trying to make? Have I ever claimed that I was some experienced sailor? We're still talking about averages. I don't think anyone thinks a sailboat speed would be constant. You are really obtuse. Deliberately so? You say: "I can't imagine that having a good boat and proceeding at as fast as possible to avoid bad weather would somehow be more dangerous." and I'm simply saying that it is not a matter of going as fast or slow as possible. It is a matter of how hard the wind blows that governs things, something far outside the control of the boat and those in it. Cheers, Bruce I think you're deliberately twisting the meaning of what I was trying to say. I never said it was "simply" a matter of faster. I said it was a better idea! Well of course it depends on the wind, tides, etc. What does that have to do with anything??? Of course it depends on the winds, tides, etc. Which is the point I've been trying to convince you of. But what does that have to do with anything? Quite simply everything, as the winds and tides are what are causing you to move, assuming a sailboat, or course. Cheers, Bruce Like I said, I think you're twisting the meaning of what I said. It's like suddenly it's a revelation that it's not just a matter of going as fast as possible. Well, duhhh... this is your claim to expert knowledge??? (Goodness you sound like Willie) I wrote: and I'm simply saying that it is not a matter of going as fast or slow as possible. It is a matter of how hard the wind blows that governs things, something far outside the control of the boat and those in it You wrote: Well of course it depends on the wind, tides, etc. What does that have to do with anything??? I wrote: But what does that have to do with anything? Quite simply everything, as the winds and tides are what are causing you to move, assuming a sailboat, or course. How so "twisting meanings"? Cheers, Bruce |
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