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"Wayne.B" wrote in message
news On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 09:56:05 -0600, CaveLamb wrote: If one fell across something the old padded style PFDs might prevent a cracked rib or worse. Cracked ribs are certainly an issue but usually not fatal, and of the two cracked rib incidents that I've observed, both happened below decks. No thanks on the padded PFDs. In calm, settled conditions, PFDs above decks are a bit overkill in my opinion. Just about everyone I know uses the self inflating harness type when offshore or in rough conditions. In my opinion every boat should have a swim ladder. Our trawler has an interesting arrangement where the ladder can be deployed by someone in the water. How about people just learn how to SWIM???? If you can't swim then stay off the water. Wilbur Hubbard |
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On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 12:33:53 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote: How about people just learn how to SWIM???? If you can't swim then stay off the water. People run out of energy very quickly in water less than 85 degrees F., and if you can't deploy the swim ladder, where are you going to swim to? A lot of people have drowned trying to swim to shore in cases where they'd have been just fine holding onto the boat. |
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"Wayne.B" wrote in message
... On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 12:33:53 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: How about people just learn how to SWIM???? If you can't swim then stay off the water. People run out of energy very quickly in water less than 85 degrees F., and if you can't deploy the swim ladder, where are you going to swim to? A lot of people have drowned trying to swim to shore in cases where they'd have been just fine holding onto the boat. All you have to do is be able to swim long enough for the boat to come back and retrieve you. If you're single-handing and the boat is on autopilot that will be somewhat of a problem but otherwise your absence will soon be noticed and the crew should come looking for you. But, the main thing is just don't fall off the boat. Is that so hard to understand? Seriously, falling off the boat probably indicates you are so stupid that perhaps your genes don't really need to be passed on anyhow. I ride a bicycle and rather than wearing some sort of inflatable rubber suit that would inflated quickly when I was falling so I bounced and did not hurt myself I would rather just NOT FALL. I work very hard just not falling precisely because it really hurts to fall. If people realized that they might well die if they fell off their boats then perhaps they wouldn't fall off. Wilbur Hubbard |
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wrote: How about people just learn how to SWIM???? *If you can't swim then stay off the water. Jessibur has a very limited view of sailing. His post show a fundamental lack conservative thinking. Wayne B on the other had is the first person here that really hits the nail on the head. Your equipment should fit the vessel and the area of operation. To make a blnket statment as Jsessibur does is nieve. Here in the PNW with water tempratures 48-55F and sailing typically in 6-12 feet swells it is very easy to drown befor a boat can come about... yes, even excuting a Willimason Turn. basic law here is if single handed and go over youre dead. If you go over with someone else on board youre most likely dead.... maybe not if yore really fat had have a capable crew. Personnly single haded I tie off and wear a Sterns Type V Work Suit and when in water temp above 70 F Ill substitute an inflatable harness. When crossing a bar all passengers are inside. Only crew is on deck.Once ouside pasangers are alowed on deck and must wear inflatable harness. People run out of energy very quickly in water less than 85 degrees F., and if you can't deploy the swim ladder, where are you going to swim to? *A lot of people have drowned trying to swim to shore in cases where they'd have been just fine holding onto the boat. Wayne, I comend your conservative and detaild response. To Willica I say, u r 1 dum fool. BOb |
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"Bob" wrote in message
... wrote: How about people just learn how to SWIM???? If you can't swim then stay off the water. ::Jessibur has a very limited view of sailing. His post show a ::fundamental lack conservative thinking. Wrong! Conservative thinking has at it's core personal rights and personal freedom and personal responsibility. It is very conservative to suggest a body learn to swim prior to going out on the water. ::Wayne B on the other had is the first person here that really hits the ::nail on the head. Your equipment should fit the vessel and the area of :peration. And who makes the rules? Not the captain? Nooooo! You freaking communists want all personal responsibility taken away from the captain and given to some government entity. You, sir, are a Nazi wannabe. ::To make a bl(a)nket statment as Jsessibur does is nieve (sic). Here in the PNW ::with water tempratures 48-55F and sailing typically in 6-12 feet ::swells it is very easy to drown befor a boat can come about... yes, ::even excuting a Willimason Turn. basic law here is if single handed ::and go over youre dead. If you go over with someone else on board ::youre most likely dead.... maybe not if yore really fat had have a ::capable crew. Oh, clueless one, the point is to NOT fall off the boat. If you are stupid or inept to fall off the boat then you deserve to be left behind to drown. Your personal responsibility is to take such measures as will satisfy you of your OWN PERSONAL SAFETY. If you wish then wear a life jacket but don't try to leglislate personal safety decisions and make them mandatory for everybody. I'm an adult - I will make my own personal safety decisions and the federal or state government be damned. If you want to be a Nazi, fine. But, leave me out of your world view. Is that too much to ask? ::Person(al)ly single ha(n)ded I tie off and wear a Sterns Type V Work Suit ::and when in water temp above 70 F Ill substitute an inflatable ::harness. When crossing a bar all passengers are inside. Only crew is :n deck.Once ouside pasangers are alowed on deck and must wear ::inflatable harness. Hey dummy! In case you haven't noticed I'm not talking about commercial enterprises. I'm talking about individual choices on recreational vessels. Get a clue and try to stay on topic, d00d! People run out of energy very quickly in water less than 85 degrees F., and if you can't deploy the swim ladder, where are you going to swim to? A lot of people have drowned trying to swim to shore in cases where they'd have been just fine holding onto the boat. ::Wayne, I comend your conservative and detaild response. To Willica I ::say, u r 1 dum fool. :: BOb Bob, you haven't a clue what conservative even means. I suggest you do some basic research on the term. And, don't limit it to a political definition only. When you have educated yourself then you may return and perhaps not make as big a fool out of yourself as is the case in your post to which this is the reply. Dismissed! Wilbur Hubbard |
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::Person(al)ly single ha(n)ded I tie off and wear a Sterns Type V Work Suit ::and when in water temp above 70 F Ill substitute an inflatable ::harness. When crossing a bar all passengers are inside. Only crew is :n deck.Once ouside pasangers are alowed on deck and must wear ::inflatable harness. Hey dummy! In case you haven't noticed I'm not talking about commercial enterprises. I'm talking about individual choices on recreational vessels. Get a clue and try to stay on topic, d00d! People run out of energy very quickly in water less than 85 degrees F., and if you can't deploy the swim ladder, where are you going to swim to? A lot of people have drowned trying to swim to shore in cases where they'd have been just fine holding onto the boat. ::Wayne, I comend your conservative and detaild response. To Willica I ::say, u r 1 dum fool. :: BOb WILica B. I said nothing about passangers for hire. My post was direct to recreational voyages. WHen I have passangers (friends) on board who do not have a designated duty station they go below when I cross the bar. Why might I do that? SInce you most likely have no idea what I mean by "bar" I will for give you ignorance this time only. Bob |
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On Mon, 21 Feb 2011 09:10:09 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote: "Bob" wrote in message ... wrote: How about people just learn how to SWIM???? If you can't swim then stay off the water. ::Jessibur has a very limited view of sailing. His post show a ::fundamental lack conservative thinking. Wrong! Conservative thinking has at it's core personal rights and personal freedom and personal responsibility. It is very conservative to suggest a body learn to swim prior to going out on the water. ::Wayne B on the other had is the first person here that really hits the ::nail on the head. Your equipment should fit the vessel and the area of :peration. And who makes the rules? Not the captain? Nooooo! You freaking communists want all personal responsibility taken away from the captain and given to some government entity. You, sir, are a Nazi wannabe. ::To make a bl(a)nket statment as Jsessibur does is nieve (sic). Here in the PNW ::with water tempratures 48-55F and sailing typically in 6-12 feet ::swells it is very easy to drown befor a boat can come about... yes, ::even excuting a Willimason Turn. basic law here is if single handed ::and go over youre dead. If you go over with someone else on board ::youre most likely dead.... maybe not if yore really fat had have a ::capable crew. Oh, clueless one, the point is to NOT fall off the boat. If you are stupid or inept to fall off the boat then you deserve to be left behind to drown. Your personal responsibility is to take such measures as will satisfy you of your OWN PERSONAL SAFETY. If you wish then wear a life jacket but don't try to leglislate personal safety decisions and make them mandatory for everybody. I'm an adult - I will make my own personal safety decisions and the federal or state government be damned. If you want to be a Nazi, fine. But, leave me out of your world view. Is that too much to ask? ::Person(al)ly single ha(n)ded I tie off and wear a Sterns Type V Work Suit ::and when in water temp above 70 F Ill substitute an inflatable ::harness. When crossing a bar all passengers are inside. Only crew is :n deck.Once ouside pasangers are alowed on deck and must wear ::inflatable harness. Hey dummy! In case you haven't noticed I'm not talking about commercial enterprises. I'm talking about individual choices on recreational vessels. Get a clue and try to stay on topic, d00d! People run out of energy very quickly in water less than 85 degrees F., and if you can't deploy the swim ladder, where are you going to swim to? A lot of people have drowned trying to swim to shore in cases where they'd have been just fine holding onto the boat. ::Wayne, I comend your conservative and detaild response. To Willica I ::say, u r 1 dum fool. :: BOb Bob, you haven't a clue what conservative even means. I suggest you do some basic research on the term. And, don't limit it to a political definition only. When you have educated yourself then you may return and perhaps not make as big a fool out of yourself as is the case in your post to which this is the reply. Dismissed! Wilbur Hubbard I was specifically told not to fall off the boat by the skipper. I didn't fall off the boat! LOL |
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"Jessica B" wrote in message
... On Mon, 21 Feb 2011 09:10:09 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: "Bob" wrote in message ... wrote: How about people just learn how to SWIM???? If you can't swim then stay off the water. ::Jessibur has a very limited view of sailing. His post show a ::fundamental lack conservative thinking. Wrong! Conservative thinking has at it's core personal rights and personal freedom and personal responsibility. It is very conservative to suggest a body learn to swim prior to going out on the water. ::Wayne B on the other had is the first person here that really hits the ::nail on the head. Your equipment should fit the vessel and the area of :peration. And who makes the rules? Not the captain? Nooooo! You freaking communists want all personal responsibility taken away from the captain and given to some government entity. You, sir, are a Nazi wannabe. ::To make a bl(a)nket statment as Jsessibur does is nieve (sic). Here in the PNW ::with water tempratures 48-55F and sailing typically in 6-12 feet ::swells it is very easy to drown befor a boat can come about... yes, ::even excuting a Willimason Turn. basic law here is if single handed ::and go over youre dead. If you go over with someone else on board ::youre most likely dead.... maybe not if yore really fat had have a ::capable crew. Oh, clueless one, the point is to NOT fall off the boat. If you are stupid or inept to fall off the boat then you deserve to be left behind to drown. Your personal responsibility is to take such measures as will satisfy you of your OWN PERSONAL SAFETY. If you wish then wear a life jacket but don't try to leglislate personal safety decisions and make them mandatory for everybody. I'm an adult - I will make my own personal safety decisions and the federal or state government be damned. If you want to be a Nazi, fine. But, leave me out of your world view. Is that too much to ask? ::Person(al)ly single ha(n)ded I tie off and wear a Sterns Type V Work Suit ::and when in water temp above 70 F Ill substitute an inflatable ::harness. When crossing a bar all passengers are inside. Only crew is :n deck.Once ouside pasangers are alowed on deck and must wear ::inflatable harness. Hey dummy! In case you haven't noticed I'm not talking about commercial enterprises. I'm talking about individual choices on recreational vessels. Get a clue and try to stay on topic, d00d! People run out of energy very quickly in water less than 85 degrees F., and if you can't deploy the swim ladder, where are you going to swim to? A lot of people have drowned trying to swim to shore in cases where they'd have been just fine holding onto the boat. ::Wayne, I comend your conservative and detaild response. To Willica I ::say, u r 1 dum fool. :: BOb Bob, you haven't a clue what conservative even means. I suggest you do some basic research on the term. And, don't limit it to a political definition only. When you have educated yourself then you may return and perhaps not make as big a fool out of yourself as is the case in your post to which this is the reply. Dismissed! Wilbur Hubbard I was specifically told not to fall off the boat by the skipper. I didn't fall off the boat! LOL Rats! -- Waldo |
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"Waldo" wrote in message
eb.com... "Jessica B" wrote in message ... On Mon, 21 Feb 2011 09:10:09 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: "Bob" wrote in message ... wrote: How about people just learn how to SWIM???? If you can't swim then stay off the water. ::Jessibur has a very limited view of sailing. His post show a ::fundamental lack conservative thinking. Wrong! Conservative thinking has at it's core personal rights and personal freedom and personal responsibility. It is very conservative to suggest a body learn to swim prior to going out on the water. ::Wayne B on the other had is the first person here that really hits the ::nail on the head. Your equipment should fit the vessel and the area of :peration. And who makes the rules? Not the captain? Nooooo! You freaking communists want all personal responsibility taken away from the captain and given to some government entity. You, sir, are a Nazi wannabe. ::To make a bl(a)nket statment as Jsessibur does is nieve (sic). Here in the PNW ::with water tempratures 48-55F and sailing typically in 6-12 feet ::swells it is very easy to drown befor a boat can come about... yes, ::even excuting a Willimason Turn. basic law here is if single handed ::and go over youre dead. If you go over with someone else on board ::youre most likely dead.... maybe not if yore really fat had have a ::capable crew. Oh, clueless one, the point is to NOT fall off the boat. If you are stupid or inept to fall off the boat then you deserve to be left behind to drown. Your personal responsibility is to take such measures as will satisfy you of your OWN PERSONAL SAFETY. If you wish then wear a life jacket but don't try to leglislate personal safety decisions and make them mandatory for everybody. I'm an adult - I will make my own personal safety decisions and the federal or state government be damned. If you want to be a Nazi, fine. But, leave me out of your world view. Is that too much to ask? ::Person(al)ly single ha(n)ded I tie off and wear a Sterns Type V Work Suit ::and when in water temp above 70 F Ill substitute an inflatable ::harness. When crossing a bar all passengers are inside. Only crew is :n deck.Once ouside pasangers are alowed on deck and must wear ::inflatable harness. Hey dummy! In case you haven't noticed I'm not talking about commercial enterprises. I'm talking about individual choices on recreational vessels. Get a clue and try to stay on topic, d00d! People run out of energy very quickly in water less than 85 degrees F., and if you can't deploy the swim ladder, where are you going to swim to? A lot of people have drowned trying to swim to shore in cases where they'd have been just fine holding onto the boat. ::Wayne, I comend your conservative and detaild response. To Willica I ::say, u r 1 dum fool. :: BOb Bob, you haven't a clue what conservative even means. I suggest you do some basic research on the term. And, don't limit it to a political definition only. When you have educated yourself then you may return and perhaps not make as big a fool out of yourself as is the case in your post to which this is the reply. Dismissed! Wilbur Hubbard I was specifically told not to fall off the boat by the skipper. I didn't fall off the boat! LOL Rats! I would have told her to fall off on purpose so I could do some man-overboard rescue practice drills. An added advantage would be a wet t-shirt. LOL! Wilbur Hubbard |
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