On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 09:56:05 -0600, CaveLamb
wrote:

If one fell across something the old padded style PFDs
might prevent a cracked rib or worse.

Cracked ribs are certainly an issue but usually not fatal, and of the
two cracked rib incidents that I've observed, both happened below
decks. No thanks on the padded PFDs.

In calm, settled conditions, PFDs above decks are a bit overkill in my
opinion. Just about everyone I know uses the self inflating harness
type when offshore or in rough conditions. In my opinion every boat
should have a swim ladder. Our trawler has an interesting
arrangement where the ladder can be deployed by someone in the water.

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 09:56:05 -0600, CaveLamb
wrote:

If one fell across something the old padded style PFDs
might prevent a cracked rib or worse.

Cracked ribs are certainly an issue but usually not fatal, and of the
two cracked rib incidents that I've observed, both happened below
decks. No thanks on the padded PFDs.

In calm, settled conditions, PFDs above decks are a bit overkill in my
opinion. Just about everyone I know uses the self inflating harness
type when offshore or in rough conditions. In my opinion every boat
should have a swim ladder. Our trawler has an interesting
arrangement where the ladder can be deployed by someone in the water.





How about people just learn how to SWIM???? If you can't swim then stay off
the water.


Wilbur Hubbard

On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 12:33:53 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

How about people just learn how to SWIM???? If you can't swim then stay off
the water.

People run out of energy very quickly in water less than 85 degrees
F., and if you can't deploy the swim ladder, where are you going to
swim to? A lot of people have drowned trying to swim to shore in
cases where they'd have been just fine holding onto the boat.

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 12:33:53 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

How about people just learn how to SWIM???? If you can't swim then stay
off
the water.

People run out of energy very quickly in water less than 85 degrees
F., and if you can't deploy the swim ladder, where are you going to
swim to? A lot of people have drowned trying to swim to shore in
cases where they'd have been just fine holding onto the boat.




All you have to do is be able to swim long enough for the boat to come back
and retrieve you. If you're single-handing and the boat is on autopilot that
will be somewhat of a problem but otherwise your absence will soon be
noticed and the crew should come looking for you. But, the main thing is
just don't fall off the boat. Is that so hard to understand? Seriously,
falling off the boat probably indicates you are so stupid that perhaps your
genes don't really need to be passed on anyhow.

I ride a bicycle and rather than wearing some sort of inflatable rubber suit
that would inflated quickly when I was falling so I bounced and did not hurt
myself I would rather just NOT FALL. I work very hard just not falling
precisely because it really hurts to fall. If people realized that they
might well die if they fell off their boats then perhaps they wouldn't fall
off.

Wilbur Hubbard

wrote:
How about people just learn how to SWIM???? *If you can't swim then stay off
the water.


Jessibur has a very limited view of sailing. His post show a
fundamental lack conservative thinking.


Wayne B on the other had is the first person here that really hits the
nail on the head. Your equipment should fit the vessel and the area of
operation.

To make a blnket statment as Jsessibur does is nieve. Here in the PNW
with water tempratures 48-55F and sailing typically in 6-12 feet
swells it is very easy to drown befor a boat can come about... yes,
even excuting a Willimason Turn. basic law here is if single handed
and go over youre dead. If you go over with someone else on board
youre most likely dead.... maybe not if yore really fat had have a
capable crew.


Personnly single haded I tie off and wear a Sterns Type V Work Suit
and when in water temp above 70 F Ill substitute an inflatable
harness. When crossing a bar all passengers are inside. Only crew is
on deck.Once ouside pasangers are alowed on deck and must wear
inflatable harness.

People run out of energy very quickly in water less than 85 degrees
F., and if you can't deploy the swim ladder, where are you going to
swim to? *A lot of people have drowned trying to swim to shore in
cases where they'd have been just fine holding onto the boat.

Wayne, I comend your conservative and detaild response. To Willica I
say, u r 1 dum fool.
BOb

"Bob" wrote in message
...

wrote:
How about people just learn how to SWIM???? If you can't swim then stay
off
the water.


::Jessibur has a very limited view of sailing. His post show a
::fundamental lack conservative thinking.

Wrong! Conservative thinking has at it's core personal rights and personal
freedom and personal responsibility. It is very conservative to suggest a
body learn to swim prior to going out on the water.


::Wayne B on the other had is the first person here that really hits the
::nail on the head. Your equipment should fit the vessel and the area of
:peration.

And who makes the rules? Not the captain? Nooooo! You freaking communists
want all personal responsibility taken away from the captain and given to
some government entity. You, sir, are a Nazi wannabe.


::To make a bl(a)nket statment as Jsessibur does is nieve (sic). Here in the
PNW
::with water tempratures 48-55F and sailing typically in 6-12 feet
::swells it is very easy to drown befor a boat can come about... yes,
::even excuting a Willimason Turn. basic law here is if single handed
::and go over youre dead. If you go over with someone else on board
::youre most likely dead.... maybe not if yore really fat had have a
::capable crew.

Oh, clueless one, the point is to NOT fall off the boat. If you are stupid
or inept to fall off the boat then you deserve to be left behind to drown.
Your personal responsibility is to take such measures as will satisfy you of
your OWN PERSONAL SAFETY. If you wish then wear a life jacket but don't try
to leglislate personal safety decisions and make them mandatory for
everybody. I'm an adult - I will make my own personal safety decisions and
the federal or state government be damned. If you want to be a Nazi, fine.
But, leave me out of your world view. Is that too much to ask?


::Person(al)ly single ha(n)ded I tie off and wear a Sterns Type V Work Suit
::and when in water temp above 70 F Ill substitute an inflatable
::harness. When crossing a bar all passengers are inside. Only crew is
:n deck.Once ouside pasangers are alowed on deck and must wear
::inflatable harness.

Hey dummy! In case you haven't noticed I'm not talking about commercial
enterprises. I'm talking about individual choices on recreational vessels.
Get a clue and try to stay on topic, d00d!



People run out of energy very quickly in water less than 85 degrees
F., and if you can't deploy the swim ladder, where are you going to
swim to? A lot of people have drowned trying to swim to shore in
cases where they'd have been just fine holding onto the boat.

::Wayne, I comend your conservative and detaild response. To Willica I
::say, u r 1 dum fool.
:: BOb

Bob, you haven't a clue what conservative even means. I suggest you do some
basic research on the term. And, don't limit it to a political definition
only. When you have educated yourself then you may return and perhaps not
make as big a fool out of yourself as is the case in your post to which this
is the reply.

Dismissed!

Wilbur Hubbard

::Person(al)ly single ha(n)ded I tie off and wear a Sterns Type V Work Suit
::and when in water temp above 70 F Ill substitute an inflatable
::harness. When crossing a bar all passengers are inside. Only crew is
:n deck.Once ouside pasangers are alowed on deck and must wear
::inflatable harness.

Hey dummy! In case you haven't noticed I'm not talking about commercial
enterprises. I'm talking about individual choices on recreational vessels.
Get a clue and try to stay on topic, d00d!

People run out of energy very quickly in water less than 85 degrees
F., and if you can't deploy the swim ladder, where are you going to
swim to? A lot of people have drowned trying to swim to shore in
cases where they'd have been just fine holding onto the boat.

::Wayne, I comend your conservative and detaild response. To Willica I
::say, u r 1 dum fool.
:: BOb

WILica B.

I said nothing about passangers for hire. My post was direct to
recreational voyages. WHen I have passangers (friends) on board who do
not have a designated duty station they go below when I cross the bar.
Why might I do that?

SInce you most likely have no idea what I mean by "bar" I will for
give you ignorance this time only.
Bob

On Mon, 21 Feb 2011 09:10:09 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"Bob" wrote in message
...

wrote:
How about people just learn how to SWIM???? If you can't swim then stay
off
the water.


::Jessibur has a very limited view of sailing. His post show a
::fundamental lack conservative thinking.

Wrong! Conservative thinking has at it's core personal rights and personal
freedom and personal responsibility. It is very conservative to suggest a
body learn to swim prior to going out on the water.


::Wayne B on the other had is the first person here that really hits the
::nail on the head. Your equipment should fit the vessel and the area of
:peration.

And who makes the rules? Not the captain? Nooooo! You freaking communists
want all personal responsibility taken away from the captain and given to
some government entity. You, sir, are a Nazi wannabe.


::To make a bl(a)nket statment as Jsessibur does is nieve (sic). Here in the
PNW
::with water tempratures 48-55F and sailing typically in 6-12 feet
::swells it is very easy to drown befor a boat can come about... yes,
::even excuting a Willimason Turn. basic law here is if single handed
::and go over youre dead. If you go over with someone else on board
::youre most likely dead.... maybe not if yore really fat had have a
::capable crew.

Oh, clueless one, the point is to NOT fall off the boat. If you are stupid
or inept to fall off the boat then you deserve to be left behind to drown.
Your personal responsibility is to take such measures as will satisfy you of
your OWN PERSONAL SAFETY. If you wish then wear a life jacket but don't try
to leglislate personal safety decisions and make them mandatory for
everybody. I'm an adult - I will make my own personal safety decisions and
the federal or state government be damned. If you want to be a Nazi, fine.
But, leave me out of your world view. Is that too much to ask?


::Person(al)ly single ha(n)ded I tie off and wear a Sterns Type V Work Suit
::and when in water temp above 70 F Ill substitute an inflatable
::harness. When crossing a bar all passengers are inside. Only crew is
:n deck.Once ouside pasangers are alowed on deck and must wear
::inflatable harness.

Hey dummy! In case you haven't noticed I'm not talking about commercial
enterprises. I'm talking about individual choices on recreational vessels.
Get a clue and try to stay on topic, d00d!



People run out of energy very quickly in water less than 85 degrees
F., and if you can't deploy the swim ladder, where are you going to
swim to? A lot of people have drowned trying to swim to shore in
cases where they'd have been just fine holding onto the boat.

::Wayne, I comend your conservative and detaild response. To Willica I
::say, u r 1 dum fool.
:: BOb

Bob, you haven't a clue what conservative even means. I suggest you do some
basic research on the term. And, don't limit it to a political definition
only. When you have educated yourself then you may return and perhaps not
make as big a fool out of yourself as is the case in your post to which this
is the reply.

Dismissed!

Wilbur Hubbard



I was specifically told not to fall off the boat by the skipper. I
didn't fall off the boat! LOL

"Jessica B" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 21 Feb 2011 09:10:09 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"Bob" wrote in message
...

wrote:
How about people just learn how to SWIM???? If you can't swim then stay
off
the water.


::Jessibur has a very limited view of sailing. His post show a
::fundamental lack conservative thinking.

Wrong! Conservative thinking has at it's core personal rights and personal
freedom and personal responsibility. It is very conservative to suggest a
body learn to swim prior to going out on the water.


::Wayne B on the other had is the first person here that really hits the
::nail on the head. Your equipment should fit the vessel and the area of
:peration.

And who makes the rules? Not the captain? Nooooo! You freaking communists
want all personal responsibility taken away from the captain and given to
some government entity. You, sir, are a Nazi wannabe.


::To make a bl(a)nket statment as Jsessibur does is nieve (sic). Here in
the
PNW
::with water tempratures 48-55F and sailing typically in 6-12 feet
::swells it is very easy to drown befor a boat can come about... yes,
::even excuting a Willimason Turn. basic law here is if single handed
::and go over youre dead. If you go over with someone else on board
::youre most likely dead.... maybe not if yore really fat had have a
::capable crew.

Oh, clueless one, the point is to NOT fall off the boat. If you are stupid
or inept to fall off the boat then you deserve to be left behind to drown.
Your personal responsibility is to take such measures as will satisfy you
of
your OWN PERSONAL SAFETY. If you wish then wear a life jacket but don't
try
to leglislate personal safety decisions and make them mandatory for
everybody. I'm an adult - I will make my own personal safety decisions and
the federal or state government be damned. If you want to be a Nazi, fine.
But, leave me out of your world view. Is that too much to ask?


::Person(al)ly single ha(n)ded I tie off and wear a Sterns Type V Work
Suit
::and when in water temp above 70 F Ill substitute an inflatable
::harness. When crossing a bar all passengers are inside. Only crew is
:n deck.Once ouside pasangers are alowed on deck and must wear
::inflatable harness.

Hey dummy! In case you haven't noticed I'm not talking about commercial
enterprises. I'm talking about individual choices on recreational vessels.
Get a clue and try to stay on topic, d00d!



People run out of energy very quickly in water less than 85 degrees
F., and if you can't deploy the swim ladder, where are you going to
swim to? A lot of people have drowned trying to swim to shore in
cases where they'd have been just fine holding onto the boat.

::Wayne, I comend your conservative and detaild response. To Willica I
::say, u r 1 dum fool.
:: BOb

Bob, you haven't a clue what conservative even means. I suggest you do
some
basic research on the term. And, don't limit it to a political definition
only. When you have educated yourself then you may return and perhaps not
make as big a fool out of yourself as is the case in your post to which
this
is the reply.

Dismissed!

Wilbur Hubbard



I was specifically told not to fall off the boat by the skipper. I
didn't fall off the boat! LOL

Rats!

--
Waldo