"Bobsprit" wrote in message
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My D70 came with neither.

Stop it already Bob... you are sounding more ridiculous with every
post!

Mooron, you don't even know what ships with what. You have an F4!!! What
software shipped with it???

It's an SLR Bob... it doesn't use software. My Kodak DC290 arrived with all
kinds of software.

CM

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
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Here's a hint... if you had the full version... why would yu use
Nikon-View???


Mooron, I feel bad for you. At each turn you get exposed.
Here's a newsflash. Photoshop CS, PSLE and Elements 3.0 CAN'T READ the
NIKON
NEF RAW files without the plugin that downloads with NIKON VIEW. Period.

SLABAMMMMMMM!!! BWAHAHAHAHA! CRUNCH!!!!! OH, THE HUMANITY!!!!

Relax Bob... you'll strain an artery... I said why would you use Nikon
View if you had a full blown version of Photoshop? I said nothing regarding
a requirement for a plug-in available on the Nikon Software..... and the
internet.

CM

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
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I'm havin' fun... hope you are as well....



Easy there, ole buddy. You know I'm having fun. BTW, I don't know if a D70
is a
great camera for use aboard. I'd go with a good small P&S, like my little
Pentax Optio. Dispite it's small size, it took this pic (5MP)......

http://members.aol.com/bobsprit/images/sendbaby2.jpg

Again, the Optio is smaller than a credit card. Sells here for 315.00 and
there's even an underwater housing available for it!

Not much into the smaller digitals.... what I'm waiting for is Nikon to get
off their friggin' arses and get back to making topline cameras again. They
had a great one years ago... can't recall the name... the price tag was
$10K.... I think they are coming out with a new one in week or so as
well.... but again the stupid proprietary format crap I think....

I've got like over a dozen Nikon Lenses and Flash equipment.... I use it as
a hobby but have been hired on many occasions. My brother's graphic firm
uses my equipment for their professional photo shoots..... seems the pros
like the F4 much better than the F5... I do not know why. I do have a data
back that allows a wide variety of functions... like printing the shot info
between the shots on the negative. Auto tracking and focus triggered shot
abilities.... I can set it up over a gopher hole and when the gopher pops
his head out into the focus range preset... it will snap a photo
automatically... or 6 of them at different exposures. It's a really neat
system.

CM

"Bobsprit" wrote in message

Feel free to ask more questions....oh, the D70's inherent FL mag is 1.5,
so a
50mm lens becomes a 75mm.

Damned.... that'll screw up my 17mm Fisheye... but would be a boost to my
500mm Cat.

I'm waiting to see the reviews on the Nikon D2X....

CM

http://www.nikondigitalusa.com/main.html?page=d2x

Looks like a possible candidate...

CM

I said why would you use Nikon
View if you had a full blown version of Photoshop?


You said that having NV PROVED I don't have full Photoshop!!!!! You didn't KNOW
that it's REQUIRED because you continue to blow useless hot air!!!

WHoooooo HHoooooo!!! STOMP!

RB

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
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that's fine for most folks.

Like how would you know??


How would I know? Do you know the diff between a comercial/pro grade
editing
tool and consumer grade?
I guess not. Please explain to us all why Elements 3.0 ISN'T fine for most
people!!!!

We're waiting!

I've never used Elements 3.0.... there are a plethora of graphics
programs... some with proprietary formats... some that do a tenth the stuff
that Photoshop can do at 1/3 the price.

Photoshop as with all graphics apps is entirely based on your familiarity
and expertise with the program. Many people can do basic stuff with
AutoCAD.... but it takes a Pro to do the real stuff required on complex
site plans and 3D presentations. It's the same with Photoshop.... I know how
many applications for work my brother gets... I also am aware that 3/4 of
them don't have sufficient knowledge to be engaged in professional work with
this app. Raster and vector based graphics are a complex thing... not suited
to the general public.

Are you familiar with FLASH???

CM

It's an SLR Bob... it doesn't use software. My Kodak DC290 arrived with all
kinds of software.


And full PS? Yeah! Sure it did!!!!

Bwahahahaha!

RB

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
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Spotone.... you mean the industry standard of Pantone?

No, spotone was a color and B&W retouch system using fine brushes and
inks. I
used to use the system when I worked at Finely Studio doing large format
still
work.

I used airbrush..... for neg work it was Rubylith.

CM

I had one years ago... my brother has several.... they are limited in their
spectrum of use.

Your link is to a gift site Bob.... no mention of a tablet on that page.

CM


"Bobsprit" wrote in message
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Pen and tablet??? where do you get these lame ideas.... that stuff is
10
years old.


Good lord. They are used for retouching, even in post production video
salons.
STANDARD equip. for most people I know who use Photoshop seriously. I
don't own
one presently...but I borrow one from a friend at times.

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/cont...=WAI29X12P&is=
REG&Q=&O=productlist&sku=234412

This one works better than ANY mouse. Pricey, but fantastic control. Try
one
before you inject more footwear between your lips!

RB