"Bobsprit" wrote in message
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I am fortunate enough to be able to absorb
wisdom. I guess that I am luckier than you.

Guess again. Jeff bought a good quality boat. He has managed to avoid your
mistake.

6/10....... but I enjoyed it!

Regards


Donal
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"Bobsprit" wrote

There were no conditions on Sat. that should
have brought spray over the bow aboard a 30 footer.

RB

Well no, not if you don't leave the slip.


--
Scotty
S/V Lisa Marie
Balt. MD USA

Did you see this one?


"Bobsprit" wrote in message
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On Sat., Lisa was in the V-berth reading with the forward hatch open a few
inches. I told her about the 'closed hatch' thread. Sure enough, 15
minutes
later some bow spray got her.

You have a badly designed boat. There were no conditions on Sat. that
should
have brought spray over the bow aboard a 30 footer.
Nuff said!

RB

"Peter Wiley" wrote in message
. ..

Keep in mind that if Donal tried to go 30 miles offshore, he'd hit
France.


Idiot!!!

The last person who made that dumb mistake was Jax!!!!!

Stick to English literature. You know nothing about geography. Cherebourg
is my nearest French port, and it is 74 nautical miles from Portsmouth
Harbour entrance.


You don't do the nav on your big, polluting, ship - do you?


Bwahahahahahahahaaaaaaa!


Regards


Donal
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"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
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Did you see this one?


I did. Once again, I am reminded of Bob's true genius. He has managed,
through meticilous research, to pose as a sailor for many years. Yet, it
is clear that he has never been more than a few hundred yards from his slip.

Bobsprit's encyclopediac knowledge is only surpassed by his awesome
ignorance of all things nautical.




Regards


Donal
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Bobsprit's encyclopediac knowledge is only surpassed by his awesome
ignorance of all things nautical.



Well said, Donal...except you're troll is somewhat pointless. You have no idea
of the conditions here this past Sat.
Nice butt licking of Scotty Potty for you! Congrats!

Bwahahahaha!

RB

That doesn't mean that the hatches
can be left open. Waves are not uniform in height.


Right, 1m, but then that odd 8m wave comes a calling!

Bwahahaha! What a dope!


RB

Every so often these two wave patterns will combine
to produce a much bigger wave. I assume that this effect must be observable
in any strecth of open water. That is one of the reasons that I think that
you must sail in extremely sheltered waters


Good gravy! A much bigger wave??? Ahhhhhhh!!!!

RB

have brought spray over the bow aboard a 30 footer.

RB

Well no, not if you don't leave the slip.

You didn't leave the slip? Winds were less than 20 knots. Care to explain how
you were taking water over the bow? Did you capsize???

RB

"Donal" wrote in message
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The wave height is often less than 1m. That doesn't mean that the hatches
can be left open. Waves are not uniform in height. On the small lake in
Ireland that I go trout fishing on, the locals say that every 7th wave will
be twice as big as the rest.

Actually, wave height is usually measured as the average of the highest third of
all waves. Do the math and you'll find that the stated wave height is the
"seventh" wave.

But this is beside the point. I'm not talking about leaving the forward hatch
wide open in all conditions. Many boats, and most larger boats, have hatches
that will stay dry even if the bow is catching occasional spray.




A similiar thing seems to happen at sea.... especially after a wind shift.
It is often possible to pick out yesterday's waves travelling at 90 degrees
to today's wind/waves. Every so often these two wave patterns will combine
to produce a much bigger wave. I assume that this effect must be observable
in any strecth of open water.

Its particular obvious when you pass behind an island that blocks the direct
path of otherwise benign swells. Two wave fronts radiate from the sides of the
island and cause great mischief when you thought you were headed into the lee.
Close the hatches.

That is one of the reasons that I think that
you must sail in extremely sheltered waters.


Much of my sailing is inside of Boston Harbor, or in Buzzard's Bay. Frankly,
they are both often sloppier than the open ocean. But at least 10 times a year
(often more) for the last 30 years I've had 3000 miles of fetch to the East.
However, as I've said the prevailing winds are from the West, so there are
plenty of times where the waves just aren't that bad.




This isn't about what is appropriate for a Channel crossing, or the
Sydney-Hobart race. Donal has declared that all sailboats must always
stay
sealed up, regardless of the boat or the situation. It just isn't so.

In my experience, it is necessary to seal up before leaving the berth.

This may indeed be your experience. You must have a very wet boat. I've got
one hatch that hasn't been sealed in 8000 miles.

Even on calm days, you get the odd rogue wave that appears from nowhere.

Is that like the fog, which you claim can happen anytime without notice?


In the protected waters of the Solent, on an absolutely flat calm day, you
get the occasional big "slapper". I'm fairly sure that they are caused by
the wakes of big ships bouncing (reflecting) off one shore and crossing the
Solent for a second time.


Are you actually claiming that on a calm day everyone in the cockpit could get
totally soaked??? You must have a *very* wet boat.