MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

you must be really stupid to reply.


"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...

BB


LOL now That's funny

RB


Nice try. You must really be bored to keep this up.

RB

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

Repost where I said I '' find the 26M and X so appealing''.

Your words Bob.

SV


"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
Please repost where I wrote that.

You've been defending the Mac X and M. Fact.
Sorry. Both sides of the rail doesn't suit you.

RB

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

Bobsprit wrote:

.... I seem to recall that you claimed you'd NEVER buy the Hunter 19
again after you discovered the weaknesses and quality.

I never said that. Go ahead and google up what I actually did say, it should
provide some entertainment (which is what you're really after). Your memory is as
bad as everything else about you.

Bobsprit wrote:

.... But I like
sailboats that sail well, that look nice, and that haven't been built to the
lowest price point available.

Yeah right. That's why 1- you never go sailing
2- you are proud of th many ugly excresences, such as the stern ladder, mounted on
the boat you claim to own
3- you are often bragging about how little you paid for the boat you claim to own.

DSK

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

Yeah, VoN. That's it. Looked at one (yellow hull) in Joisey. A little too
small for us. Don't they have more shear line than a 21?

http://www.macgregor-boats.com/broch...ers/mac23.html

SV

"DSK" wrote in message
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Scott Vernon wrote:

Isn't the M25 in the Sail hall of fame? Ever seen a Mac/Venture 23'
cutter
rigged? Cool looking boat.

Yes, the "Venture of Newport" which was intended to cash in on the growing
popularity of classic boats at that time.

Not to disillusion you Scott but it is really just a Venture 21 with a
bowsprit
& quarter rail screwed on. It is pretty cool looking though. There is one
that
sails a lake nearby, the owner has changed it to a quasi-gaff rig, added a
row
of bronze portholes, and some other old-timey nautical gear. Makes you
want to
grab a rusty cutlass and shout "Argh, matey!"

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

WTF are you rambling about? Ashtrays? No one here smokes.

Bye, bye, Scotty.


RB

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

Scott Vernon wrote:

Yeah, VoN. That's it. Looked at one (yellow hull) in Joisey. A little too
small for us. Don't they have more shear line than a 21?

http://www.macgregor-boats.com/broch...ers/mac23.html

Yes, they do... I have heard varying reports on this. One is that they bent the
hull mold with a chain hoist to make the VoN model. Another is that they padded
the mold around the transom with three chunks of plywood & some wax paper.
Probably only Roger Macgregor knows the truth. But anyway, the hull sections,
the rig, and most of the deck (they changed the cabin trunk a bit too) are the
same.

MacGregor is for sure not the only boat builder to do this. Lots of other
builders too. The Santana 23 has been reincarnated three or four times, always
with the same hull.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

Your memory is as
bad as everything else about you.

With this type of childish discourse, there's little value in attempting to
engage you in a real discussion.
You DID say you wouldn't have done it again AFTER you found build problems.

Bye, bye, Doug.

RB

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

Yeah right. That's why 1- you never go sailing

A simple troll. Bye, bye, Doug.
You've really fallen far.

RB

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

Let's help Bob on this one.
http://www.powersailing.com/newmast28.html
Can't say anything about the price, I gave one the once over in Chicago last
month and it did appear to be a lot sturdier than the Mac, it actually has
real winches. You'll note they rate this thing for a 75 hp outboard.
John Cairns
"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
Name another boat in this size/price range that can be trailered, sailed,
motored as fast, has as much cabin space.

Take a few days, then get back to me.

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

H O L Y B A C K P E D D L E B A T M A N !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Yup. caught you lying again.

RB

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

WTF are you rambling about? Ashtrays? No one here smokes. Stick to the
subject. Apparently you can't name another boat like I asked you to.

SV



"Bobsprit" wrote in message
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Name another boat in this size/price range that can be trailered, sailed,
motored as fast, has as much cabin space.


Yeah, and the Amphi car was also unique in it's abilities. It was also
junk. I
suspect you ordered a lot of Smokeless Ashtrays, Inside the Egg-Egg
Scramblers
and Mister Microphones in the 70's and 80's.

RB

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

Can't say anything about the price, I gave one the once over in Chicago last
month and it did appear to be a lot sturdier than the Mac, it actually has
real winches. You'll note they rate this thing for a 75 hp outboard.


Well, so much for Scotty's love affair with the Mac26X and M.
I knew it couldn't last.

RB

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

H O L Y B A C K P E D D L E B A T M A N !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
Repost where I said I '' find the 26M and X so appealing''.

A lie, fo course. I never quoted you as saying this. I indicated that you
like
the boat and continue to defend it, listing it's virtues. Clear to
everyone.
You should get one!

RB

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

We're all awaiting your thoughtful answers.


Not really.


Sadly, you're correct. It'll just be another troll.

RB

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

I was wondering if they made new molds for the New/improved M or simply
scotch taped some cardboard here and there.

SV

"DSK" wrote in message
...
Scott Vernon wrote:

Yeah, VoN. That's it. Looked at one (yellow hull) in Joisey. A little
too
small for us. Don't they have more shear line than a 21?

http://www.macgregor-boats.com/broch...ers/mac23.html

Yes, they do... I have heard varying reports on this. One is that they
bent the
hull mold with a chain hoist to make the VoN model. Another is that they
padded
the mold around the transom with three chunks of plywood & some wax paper.
Probably only Roger Macgregor knows the truth. But anyway, the hull
sections,
the rig, and most of the deck (they changed the cabin trunk a bit too) are
the
same.

MacGregor is for sure not the only boat builder to do this. Lots of other
builders too. The Santana 23 has been reincarnated three or four times,
always
with the same hull.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

Back to your old lieing ways again?

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...


Dugout canoes and make-shift rafts have made those trips. Please explain
to
everyone why you find the 26M and X so appealing. Outside of Jim you're
the
only one who thinks this way.




"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
Repost where I said I '' find the 26M and X so appealing''.

A lie, fo course. I never quoted you as saying this. I indicated that you
like
the boat and continue to defend it, listing it's virtues. Clear to
everyone.
You should get one!

RB

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

I wondered why you posted a link to the Mac 26x, dang they look similar.

Scotty


"John Cairns" wrote in message
...
Let's help Bob on this one.
http://www.powersailing.com/newmast28.html
Can't say anything about the price, I gave one the once over in Chicago
last
month and it did appear to be a lot sturdier than the Mac, it actually has
real winches. You'll note they rate this thing for a 75 hp outboard.
John Cairns
"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
Name another boat in this size/price range that can be trailered,
sailed,
motored as fast, has as much cabin space.

Take a few days, then get back to me.

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

Losing the argument, Bob wrote....


Bye, bye, Scotty.


RB

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

Now it's a love affair? Show us some proof PLEASE.


"Bobsprit" wrote


Well, so much for Scotty's love affair with the Mac26X and M.
I knew it couldn't last.

RB

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

You're reverting back to the old Bobspit. Lies. All lies.


"Bobsprit" wrote


Yup. lying again.

RB

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

Bobsprit wrote:


You DID say you wouldn't have done it again AFTER you found build problems.

No, Bubbles, I never said any such thing.

Here is a reprise of what I *did* say: that Hunter has poor QA, and that I'd
advise other boat shoppers to look very hard in certain areas before buying
one.

If shopping for a trailerable cruiser within a certain weight range, I would
definitely buy a Hunter 19 again. It is a brilliant design, nothing else comes
remotely close. In nine years of cruising with a club of trailersailers, we
never saw any boat that was as quick & easy to rig, launch, & retrieve; never
saw anything remotely as comfortable, very few with anything approaching it's
sailing performance, and none with it's practical features like the transom
gate. Our boat was usually where the group gathered and usually the one
everybody else followed.

Of course, since you don't actually cruise, you have no apprecation for
practical values.

When are you going to answer Scotty's question about what trailerable boats of
comparable size & price to the old Mac26 sail better & have more room?

Fresh Breezes (to them wot can use 'em)- Doug King

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

Scott Vernon wrote:

You're reverting back to the old Bobspit. Lies. All lies.

That's how he WINS!

DSK

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
I wondered why you posted a link to the Mac 26x, dang they look similar.

Scotty


"John Cairns" wrote in message
...
Let's help Bob on this one.
http://www.powersailing.com/newmast28.html
Can't say anything about the price, I gave one the once over in Chicago
last
month and it did appear to be a lot sturdier than the Mac, it actually
has
real winches. You'll note they rate this thing for a 75 hp outboard.
John Cairns
"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
Name another boat in this size/price range that can be trailered,
sailed,
motored as fast, has as much cabin space.

Take a few days, then get back to me.

Considering you want the boat to do the same thing, they would have to look
similar, but the Mast does look more like a "real" sailboat than any of the
Mac powersailors. I think they're fairly expensive also.
John Cairns

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

He must be off sulking.


"DSK" wrote in message
...
Scott Vernon wrote:

You're reverting back to the old Bobspit. Lies. All lies.

That's how he WINS!

DSK

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

John Cairns wrote:


Considering you want the boat to do the same thing, they would have to look
similar, but the Mast does look more like a "real" sailboat than any of the
Mac powersailors. I think they're fairly expensive also.

I was thinking it looked a bit like the Beneteau power-sailer that was supposed
to come out a few years ago. It also has the biggest genoa I've seen in a
while!

DSK

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

When are you going to answer Scotty's question about what trailerable boats of
comparable size & price to the old Mac26 sail better & have more room?

Didn't you catch John's post? There IS another boat that does all the Mac26X
and M and it's a better boat to boot.

RB

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

And it costs how much?


"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
When are you going to answer Scotty's question about what trailerable
boats of
comparable size & price to the old Mac26 sail better & have more room?

Didn't you catch John's post? There IS another boat that does all the
Mac26X
and M and it's a better boat to boot.

RB

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

wrote


First "backpeddle" and now "lieing" - And you think I need a spell
checker?


Yes, you do.

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

Scotty said size/price range. Though similar in size, the basic boat package
for the Mast(sailaway, trailer, no motor) is almost $46k, which is nowhere
near the price of the 26X, which was priced well under $20k for the
boat/trailer minus motor. IIRC, the 26M was priced well under $20k also.
John Cairns

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
When are you going to answer Scotty's question about what trailerable
boats of
comparable size & price to the old Mac26 sail better & have more room?

Didn't you catch John's post? There IS another boat that does all the
Mac26X
and M and it's a better boat to boot.

RB

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

First "backpeddle" and now "lieing" - And you think I need a spell
checker?


Yes, you do.


Actually, according to Scotty you "nead a spel cheker."

RB

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

I wish I could afford an Alerion 26.

Go to my website, click on the ads, maybe I'll be able to someday.

"Jeff Morris" wrote in message
...
There's a long list of beautiful 26 footers.

Here's my favorite:
http://www.eastlandyachts.com/nonsuch.html#Anchor-26

But also:
http://www.proper-yachts.com/alerion26.htm

You can also get a lot of boat in smaller packages, like:
http://www.marshallcat.com/default.htm

or allow a few extra feet of pinched stern:
http://www.marinebrokerage.com/cgi-b...en.compassrose

If you think the Mac 26M is more beautiful than these, you run to the
dealer and
buy one now Its a match made in heaven!

"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...
I don't think you can call any 26-foot boat beautiful,

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

Scott, don't worry about it... bob could float from Hawaii no problem.

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
Please repost where I wrote that.


"Bobsprit" wrote

Please explain to
everyone why you find the 26M and X so appealing.

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

Way to go Scott. You did this faster than anyone could imagine.

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
You're reverting back to the old Bobspit. Lies. All lies.


"Bobsprit" wrote


Yup. lying again.

RB

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

I wish I could afford an Alerion 26.


One of the best looking boats around. I wonder what happened to the 36 or 37
foot yawl they were building? It was also beautiful.

RB

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

They were probably better than the current brew, but I don't have
any direct experience with any of them.

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
Careful Jon, the older Macs (pre X ) were pretty good little boats.

SV

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
Well, the Mac line of boats are bottom of the barrel. Not sure what
else "we" can tell you. If you like/want the compromise, go for it.
At this point, I'm not sure what you're looking for here.

"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...
Well, this discussion string is now up to around 250 responses, not
including my own. It's interesting that no one has commented on my
initial "both and" rather than "either or" plan. As you may recall, I
stated that:

A further consideration is that, if I bought the MacGregor, I would
still have the opportunity to charter a wide variety of heavier
boats
kept under charter in our area. Conversely, I couldn't purchase a
conventional fixed-keel boat and also charter a boat similar to the
Mac.
(I'm not into motor boats, or staying out in the Texas sun for
hours
on
a powered fishing boat.) A negative factor is that the new Mac is
fairly expensive when fully equiped, comparable in price to many
used
30
- 32-foot boats.

In other words, my plan was to consider getting a 26M Mac for: (1)
it's
obvious advantages in shallow bay waters and close-in coastal cruising
(such as, for fishing, and for getting to fishing or sailing areas
quickly and for returning quickly, for anchoring in areas where small
childred (grandkids) could swim, for beaching on local islands, etc.),
AND ALSO (2) to continue to charter larger boats for more extended
cruising without the younger (3 to 5 year old) set.

In any event, it's obvious that my note and my refusal to "cave" are
either generating increasing frustration or providing some perverse
form
of pleasure to participants in this discussion string.
(No one, after all, is required to participate.)

Again, I'm not asking for agreement or "approval" or even
acquiescence.
I would like to seem some semblance of logic, rationality and
intellectual honesty, however. - Like, for starters, talking about the
same boat I'm talking about.

Jim



Jim Cate wrote:


I'm considering the new MacGregor 26M for use in the
Galveston-Houston
area and would like to get comments from anyone who has seen or
sailed
on the boat. Or, anyone else.

For sailing and motoring in this area, the MacGregor seems to have
some
advantages. - I'm aware of the largely negative comments on this ng
regarding the MacGregor line. However, for the intended use, e.g.,
sailing and motoring with small kids (grandchildren), fishing, and
doing
some limited coastal cruising, the Mac 26M has the advantage that it
will motor to a desired destination at around 24 mph and can
therefore
get to a desired sail or fishing area, and return, much more quickly
than a fixed keel boat. This tends to minimize the "are we home
yet"
issue with small kids and non-sail-type guests. Also, in view of the
hundreds of square miles of shallow bay waters in our area, the
boat's
ability to anchor in 15 inches of water, or to beach at one of the
islands, would be an obvious advantage. (The 40-foot Valiant,
although
a great boat under sail offshore, was limited to around 8-10 knots
under
motor or sail. So, it took us five hours to get from the Kemah
marina
to
the gulf, and we had to be careful to keep a sharp watch on the
depth
finder.)

OK, the comparison is admittedly somewhat ludicrous. For the uses
anticipated, however, the Mac may be a practical and fun choice.
Also,
the new "M" model seems to include some substantive improvements. -
It
now has both lead and the removable water ballast, has a fin keel
(which
I'm assuming may help in pointing), and a structural keel housing
extending vertically from the deck to the ballast area. The boat
reportedly includes additional fiberglass layers and other
structural
and ergonomic improvements derived from their experience over the
years.
As to it's sailing abilities, there is a video on the Mac web site
comparing the 26M and the 26X under sail, and the new model is
clearly
much faster. (Assuming they didn't stage the race or doctor the
video.)
With a large genoa, it looks like it might be a fast sailing boat;
it
can reportedly plane under sail.

A further consideration is that, if I bought the MacGregor, I would
still have the opportunity to charter a wide variety of heavier
boats
kept under charter in our area. Conversely, I couldn't purchase a
conventional fixed-keel boat and also charter a boat similar to the
Mac.
(I'm not into motor boats, or staying out in the Texas sun for hours
on
a powered fishing boat.) A negative factor is that the new Mac is
fairly expensive when fully equiped, comparable in price to many
used
30
- 32-foot boats.

Comments from anyone regarding the sailing and motoring
characteristics
of the new 26M would be appreciated.

Jim

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

The 38 is on their website. On second thought, I'd rather have that one.

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
I wish I could afford an Alerion 26.


One of the best looking boats around. I wonder what happened to the 36 or
37
foot yawl they were building? It was also beautiful.

RB

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

Jim Cate wrote:
The website is wrong, and you ought to admit it. If, again, you have any
interest in posting truthful, rational comments.

You have a number of misquotes in your post.

FWIW my opinion is that the website is no more truthful than any other
advertising, and possibly is a bit less.

DSK

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

Jim Cate wrote:
How many of your friends had sailed the 26M?

The two that currently own them.

FWIW we have seen both of them out sailing, all but once in mild
conditions. If you want to discuss the boat with one of them I'll see if
I can get an email address from one or the other this weekend.

DSK

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

The 38 is on their website. On second thought, I'd rather have that one.

There was one at the AC boat show a few years back.
Simply stunning and getting very little attention against the Catalina and
Hunters. The one I was on had a tiller.

RB