MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

SPAM!!

In our area, some of the many "obvious advantages" include the ability
to get out to good sailing waters, sail for half a day, and return to
port within a few hours. If you can only sail on weekends, that's an
"obvious advantage" over a boat that takes six hours to motor to a good
sailing area, and six hours to motor back.

Jim

JAXAshby wrote:

However, they (mac 26's) entail certain obvious advantages for sailing


not that anyone but you can see.

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

SPAM!!

You asked why I wanted to keep the boat 25 miles from the sailing area.
What I meant was that it is 25 miles from the blue water sailing areas
in the Gulf, that I prefer. In our region, 95% of the marinas and slips
are in the Kemah-Seabrook area, located between Houston and Galveston.
I think the reason most people leave their boats here is that it is
some distance inland and considered safer from hurricanes and other
weather issues. There is a large bay near here in which we can sail for
the afternoon. As mentioned below, I recently placed an order for one
of the Mac 26M's. When it's delivered, I'll be able to motor down to
Galveston and to the offshore blue water in about two hours. Or, I can
tow the boat down to various points on the coast and launch it there. -
I'll try several sailing areas and see how they compare and report back
to the group.

Jim

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

SPAM!!

Well, Johathan, if I'm that dumb, or that much of an asshole, I'm
assuming that you won't be reading any more of my notes or responding to
them. - In that case, all you have to do is to press the "down arrow"
(on the lower right side of your keyboard), and you can quickly
pass by my notes and move on to another topic. Or, even more convenient,
you can easily set up a filter that will filter out all my notes, and
all notes addressed to me, so that you don't even have to hit your
"down" arrow.

So your problems are solved, Johathan. - If you meant what you said,
that is.

Jim

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...


Scott Vernon wrote:

As the NG moderator, I do.

For my information, what material are you moderating out?

that's for me to know, and you to find out.........later, much later.


What's
permitted, and what isn't?


I'll let you know if you cross the line.


And are the rules different for Mac owners
and fixed hull owners?

NO

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

stop it jax, you're making me hungry.


"JAXAshby" wrote ...
SPAM!!
SPAM!!
SPAM!!

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

Well, Jhim, the facts are that you already bought your boat, and
were looking here for some sort of validation. You didn't get it,
decided no one responded properly, then decided to get on your
high horse about lack of response. Sounds to me like you're the
one who needs to press the down arrow. I mean the lever on the
toilet. You're clearly dumb and an asshole, but not a winner there
either.

Since you don't like what I have to say, feel free to filter me out.
I've been here a long time. I'll be here long after you're sick of
your crackerjack box boat and have to sell it at a huge loss.

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"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...


Jonathan Ganz wrote:

Ok. Well, I think we're pretty much finished with you. Just about
everyone, including Jax, has tried to be helpful. You're not having
any. And, I guess we'll just have to live with the fact that either
you're
not too bright or an asshole who is not too bright.

Well, Johathan, if I'm that dumb, or that much of an asshole, I'm
assuming that you won't be reading any more of my notes or responding to
them. - In that case, all you have to do is to press the "down arrow"
(on the lower right side of your keyboard), and you can quickly
pass by my notes and move on to another topic. Or, even more convenient,
you can easily set up a filter that will filter out all my notes, and
all notes addressed to me, so that you don't even have to hit your
"down" arrow.

So your problems are solved, Johathan. - If you meant what you said,
that is.

Jim

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

The rules are obvious to anyone with a modicum of intelligence.
You're obviously lacking in that department.

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"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...


Scott Vernon wrote:

As the NG moderator, I do.

For my information, what material are you moderating out? What's
permitted, and what isn't? And are the rules different for Mac owners
and fixed hull owners?

Jim



SV

"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...

Scott, you certainly don't have to read or respond to my notes.
It's rather easy to click the down arrow and move on to another topic.

Jim

Scott Vernon wrote:


Jim, this troll is all used up. Move on.


"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...


This note concerns the issue of intellectual honesty.

As a follow-up to and summary of the many responses generated by this
question, several hundreds of usually negative, usually dogmatic
statements were posted regarding the MacGregor 26M, but none were
posted
by anyone who had actually sailed the 26M. Also, as far as I can
determine, none were posted by anyone who had even spoken to someone
who
had actually sailed the boat. (Correct me if I missed one.)
Additionally, there was a long string of comments by posters who had
obviousaly confused various previous MacGregor boats with the current
26M (which incorporates major, substantive changes from the previous
models). Additionally, most writers were not willing, even when
corrected by knowledgeable members of the group, to admit that they
were
talking about another boat and didn't actually know what the 26M

entailed.

In other words, as a summary of this long and convoluted series of
pontifications, few participants had the intellectual honesty to admit
that they really didn't know what the hell they were talking about in
the first place. - Of course, this doesn't meant that the 26M is a
great
boat. - But it does say something about the character and (lack of)
intellectual honesty of many who posted under this subject string.

Jim


Jim Cate wrote:



I'm considering the new MacGregor 26M for use in the
Galveston-Houston
area and would like to get comments from anyone who has seen or
sailed
on the boat. Or, anyone else.

For sailing and motoring in this area, the MacGregor seems to have
some
advantages. - I'm aware of the largely negative comments on this ng
regarding the MacGregor line. However, for the intended use, e.g.,
sailing and motoring with small kids (grandchildren), fishing, and

doing

some limited coastal cruising, the Mac 26M has the advantage that it
will motor to a desired destination at around 24 mph and can
therefore
get to a desired sail or fishing area, and return, much more quickly
than a fixed keel boat. This tends to minimize the "are we home yet"
issue with small kids and non-sail-type guests. Also, in view of the
hundreds of square miles of shallow bay waters in our area, the
boat's
ability to anchor in 15 inches of water, or to beach at one of the
islands, would be an obvious advantage. (The 40-foot Valiant,
although
a great boat under sail offshore, was limited to around 8-10 knots

under

motor or sail. So, it took us five hours to get from the Kemah marina

to

the gulf, and we had to be careful to keep a sharp watch on the depth
finder.)

OK, the comparison is admittedly somewhat ludicrous. For the uses
anticipated, however, the Mac may be a practical and fun choice.
Also,
the new "M" model seems to include some substantive improvements. -
It
now has both lead and the removable water ballast, has a fin keel

(which

I'm assuming may help in pointing), and a structural keel housing
extending vertically from the deck to the ballast area. The boat
reportedly includes additional fiberglass layers and other structural
and ergonomic improvements derived from their experience over the

years.

As to it's sailing abilities, there is a video on the Mac web site
comparing the 26M and the 26X under sail, and the new model is
clearly
much faster. (Assuming they didn't stage the race or doctor the
video.)
With a large genoa, it looks like it might be a fast sailing boat; it
can reportedly plane under sail.

A further consideration is that, if I bought the MacGregor, I would
still have the opportunity to charter a wide variety of heavier boats
kept under charter in our area. Conversely, I couldn't purchase a
conventional fixed-keel boat and also charter a boat similar to the

Mac.

(I'm not into motor boats, or staying out in the Texas sun for hours
on
a powered fishing boat.) A negative factor is that the new Mac is
fairly expensive when fully equiped, comparable in price to many used

30

- 32-foot boats.

Comments from anyone regarding the sailing and motoring
characteristics
of the new 26M would be appreciated.

Jim

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

You forgot to mention that you're an idiot.

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"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...
In the interest of full disclosure, I recently placed an order for one
of the new 26M boats. Having carefully studied all the helpful advice
and unbiased evaluations posted on this and other newsgroups, it became
obvious to me that the Mac 26M was definitely the best choice in the
under $75,000 price range for my intended applications. So, I'm one of
the lucky few who will be able to take delivery of this wonderful new
model in the next few months, since demand far exeeds the supply, and
deliveries are normally several months behind schedule.

Thanks to all for the helpful and educational comments.

Jim

Jim Cate wrote:


I'm considering the new MacGregor 26M for use in the Galveston-Houston
area and would like to get comments from anyone who has seen or sailed
on the boat. Or, anyone else.

For sailing and motoring in this area, the MacGregor seems to have some
advantages. - I'm aware of the largely negative comments on this ng
regarding the MacGregor line. However, for the intended use, e.g.,
sailing and motoring with small kids (grandchildren), fishing, and doing
some limited coastal cruising, the Mac 26M has the advantage that it
will motor to a desired destination at around 24 mph and can therefore
get to a desired sail or fishing area, and return, much more quickly
than a fixed keel boat. This tends to minimize the "are we home yet"
issue with small kids and non-sail-type guests. Also, in view of the
hundreds of square miles of shallow bay waters in our area, the boat's
ability to anchor in 15 inches of water, or to beach at one of the
islands, would be an obvious advantage. (The 40-foot Valiant, although
a great boat under sail offshore, was limited to around 8-10 knots under
motor or sail. So, it took us five hours to get from the Kemah marina to
the gulf, and we had to be careful to keep a sharp watch on the depth
finder.)

OK, the comparison is admittedly somewhat ludicrous. For the uses
anticipated, however, the Mac may be a practical and fun choice. Also,
the new "M" model seems to include some substantive improvements. - It
now has both lead and the removable water ballast, has a fin keel (which
I'm assuming may help in pointing), and a structural keel housing
extending vertically from the deck to the ballast area. The boat
reportedly includes additional fiberglass layers and other structural
and ergonomic improvements derived from their experience over the years.
As to it's sailing abilities, there is a video on the Mac web site
comparing the 26M and the 26X under sail, and the new model is clearly
much faster. (Assuming they didn't stage the race or doctor the video.)
With a large genoa, it looks like it might be a fast sailing boat; it
can reportedly plane under sail.

A further consideration is that, if I bought the MacGregor, I would
still have the opportunity to charter a wide variety of heavier boats
kept under charter in our area. Conversely, I couldn't purchase a
conventional fixed-keel boat and also charter a boat similar to the Mac.
(I'm not into motor boats, or staying out in the Texas sun for hours on
a powered fishing boat.) A negative factor is that the new Mac is
fairly expensive when fully equiped, comparable in price to many used 30
- 32-foot boats.

Comments from anyone regarding the sailing and motoring characteristics
of the new 26M would be appreciated.

Jim

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

So you were just trolling.

You will be back whining.

Sailing experiences and a Mac are not compatible.

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"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...


katysails wrote:

Jim stated:
Again, an evaluation of the quality of the boat depends on the criteria
used in the evaluation, and how the boat will be used.

So the MacGregor obviously fits OYUR criteria...go buy one, but don't
come
whining back here...but then, maybe you're like Horvath with his blind
love
of Hunter's....

1) As you suggested, I did place an order for one of the 26M's.

2) I won't come whining back to the group.

3) I'll be glad to report on my sailing experiences if anyone is
interested.

Jim

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

Jax cried:
SPAM!!

I'm of the opinion that the guy is a MacGregor infiltrate, sent by the
company to turn the attention of the group on their sorry product...
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MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

Jim said: 1) As you suggested, I did place an order for one of the 26M's.

It's your money, honey...

2) I won't come whining back to the group.

Is this signed in vlood?

3) I'll be glad to report on my sailing experiences if anyone is
interested.

Sailing stories, yes. Mac advertisements, no.


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and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

Jim suggested:
In that case, all you have to do is to press the "down arrow"
(on the lower right side of your keyboard), and you can quickly
pass by my notes and move on to another topic

That is not with in the spirit of this ng. we all read every single word
posted here because it is our duty to siphon and funnel the miscreants into
some semblance of acceptance. You have already admitted your transgression
of buying a Mac, have promised to stop whining, and have indicated you're
going to start sailing, so we've had some positive effect on you. You had
purchased the sad piece of fiberglass before we could do anything about it,
but oh, well...at least the money goes into the US economy...
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and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...
There is a large bay near here in which we can sail for
the afternoon. As mentioned below, I recently placed an order for one
of the Mac 26M's. When it's delivered, I'll be able to motor down to
Galveston and to the offshore blue water in about two hours.

This reminds me of my plans to travel to France in 3 & 1/2 hours in my
Bayliner. Very soon after I took delivery of the boat, I realised that I
would never take her to France. However, I still had 10 *very* good years
of sailing (ok - motoring) in her.


Or, I can
tow the boat down to various points on the coast and launch it there. -

Sounds like hard work....... OK if you are under 25 years old.


I'll try several sailing areas and see how they compare and report back
to the group.

I look forward to your reports.

When are you due to take delivery?



Regards


Donal
--

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

DSK wrote:
Jim Cate wrote:

In our area, some of the many "obvious advantages" include the ability
to get out to good sailing waters, sail for half a day, and return to
port within a few hours.


Umm, no. The "obvious advantage" here is that you can get shaken and
deafened while putt-putting out into more open water, then bobbing
around with (or without, doesn't make much difference) sail up, then
reversing the process.

So, it would be better for me to get a larger, keel boat that takes 5
hours to "ROAR" out to the good sailing water, and then another 5 hours
to "ROAR" back to home port? Under that scenario, When do we start
having fun? How long to I have to listen to that diesel?

Jim



A few days ago I went sailing around our marina. Slaloming among the
outer pilings is fun.

"Good sailing waters" is where good sailors sail.


... If you can only sail on weekends, that's an "obvious advantage"
over a boat that takes six hours to motor to a good sailing area, and
six hours to motor back.


You've been sold a bill of goods. You either should 1- keep the boat
closer to where you want to sail or 2- get a boat that can be enjoyably
sailed in waters a practical distance away. There are many solutions to
every problem, and the one you've fixed on is a rather poor one IMHO.

Meanwhile, you get to ride around on your new boat (did you get red or
blue?) while subsidizing your local Macgregor dealers lifestyle. Enjoy.


Actually, I'm one of the fortunate few who will be able to get delivery
of this spectacular new boat this year. Most of their production for the
year has already been commited. (I'm getting the white model.)

FBhis
Doug King

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

katysails wrote:

Jax cried:
SPAM!!

I'm of the opinion that the guy is a MacGregor infiltrate, sent by the
company to turn the attention of the group on their sorry product...

I am beginning to understand that this group considers Mac enthusiasts
something like "easy targets" and great sport for Mac attacks.
Apparently, slamming Mac owners or enthusiasts is considered something
like shooting fish in a barrel. - We are supposed to become intimidated
and quickly run off.

Well, this one isn't cooperating, and won't, and apparently, that's not
going down very well. Helpful hint. - If it takes two months, three
months, six months, 12 months, or whatever, , I'm not going to turn tail
and run. Get used to it.

Jim

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

JAXAshby wrote:

SPAM!!

But true!
Jim





You asked why I wanted to keep the boat 25 miles from the sailing area.
What I meant was that it is 25 miles from the blue water sailing areas
in the Gulf, that I prefer. In our region, 95% of the marinas and slips
are in the Kemah-Seabrook area, located between Houston and Galveston.
I think the reason most people leave their boats here is that it is
some distance inland and considered safer from hurricanes and other
weather issues. There is a large bay near here in which we can sail for
the afternoon. As mentioned below, I recently placed an order for one
of the Mac 26M's. When it's delivered, I'll be able to motor down to
Galveston and to the offshore blue water in about two hours. Or, I can
tow the boat down to various points on the coast and launch it there. -
I'll try several sailing areas and see how they compare and report back
to the group.

Jim

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

Donal wrote:

"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...

There is a large bay near here in which we can sail for
the afternoon. As mentioned below, I recently placed an order for one
of the Mac 26M's. When it's delivered, I'll be able to motor down to
Galveston and to the offshore blue water in about two hours.


This reminds me of my plans to travel to France in 3 & 1/2 hours in my
Bayliner. Very soon after I took delivery of the boat, I realised that I
would never take her to France. However, I still had 10 *very* good years
of sailing (ok - motoring) in her.



Or, I can
tow the boat down to various points on the coast and launch it there. -


Sounds like hard work....... OK if you are under 25 years old.



I'll try several sailing areas and see how they compare and report back
to the group.


I look forward to your reports.

When are you due to take delivery?

By May 10-15 I should be able to take her out under varying conditions,
and I'll post sone further reports.

Jim



Regards


Donal
--

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

Jonathan Ganz wrote:

So you were just trolling.

Nope. If someone had posted some substantive information about the
current model (the 26M), I would have considered it carefully. But all
I got was a crock of **** from members who didn't know anything about
the current model, but who, despite having never sailed the boat or even
spoken with someone who did, didn't hesitate to bash the boat and me.
Apparently, Mac owners are considered an easy target on this ng, and
bashing Mac owners is considered an a great spectator sport. - Of
course, what that tells me is that some of the contributors on this
particular string have a problem. The problem isn't the boat, it's the
asa contributors who don't know what the hell they are talking about.


You will be back whining.

How much are you willing to put down on that particular prediction?
$500? $200? $25? $5????.



Sailing experiences and a Mac are not compatible.

Paying marina fees, insurance, repairs, bottom treatments, etc., to keep
a large keel boat in a marina 99% of the time isn't very compatible with
sailing either.

Jim

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

katysails wrote:

Jim said: 1) As you suggested, I did place an order for one of the 26M's.

It's your money, honey...

2) I won't come whining back to the group.

Is this signed in vlood?

I'm collecting bets on that one. Would you like me to include your name?
For what amount?



3) I'll be glad to report on my sailing experiences if anyone is
interested.

Sailing stories, yes. Mac advertisements, no.


In other words, only sailing stories that 'fit' your preconseptions
regarding the 26M are going to be permitted?

Jim

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

or a smaller boat.

DSK wrote:
Jim Cate wrote:

In our area, some of the many "obvious advantages" include the ability
to get out to good sailing waters, sail for half a day, and return to
port within a few hours.


Umm, no. The "obvious advantage" here is that you can get shaken and
deafened while putt-putting out into more open water, then bobbing
around with (or without, doesn't make much difference) sail up, then
reversing the process.

So, it would be better for me to get a larger, keel boat that takes 5
hours to "ROAR" out to the good sailing water, and then another 5 hours
to "ROAR" back to home port? Under that scenario, When do we start
having fun? How long to I have to listen to that diesel?

Jim



A few days ago I went sailing around our marina. Slaloming among the
outer pilings is fun.

"Good sailing waters" is where good sailors sail.


... If you can only sail on weekends, that's an "obvious advantage"
over a boat that takes six hours to motor to a good sailing area, and
six hours to motor back.


You've been sold a bill of goods. You either should 1- keep the boat
closer to where you want to sail or 2- get a boat that can be enjoyably
sailed in waters a practical distance away. There are many solutions to
every problem, and the one you've fixed on is a rather poor one IMHO.

Meanwhile, you get to ride around on your new boat (did you get red or
blue?) while subsidizing your local Macgregor dealers lifestyle. Enjoy.


Actually, I'm one of the fortunate few who will be able to get delivery
of this spectacular new boat this year. Most of their production for the
year has already been commited. (I'm getting the white model.)

FBhis
Doug King

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

slamming Mac owners or enthusiasts is considered something
like shooting fish in a barrel.

yup, they be stew ped all right

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

I'm not going to turn tail
and run

jim, that just makes you dumber than the *average* mac buyer.

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

SPAM!!

But true!
Jim

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

By May 10-15 I ****************************************** should
***************************************** be able to take her out under varying
conditions,

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

Jonathan Ganz wrote:

Well, Jhim, the facts are that you already bought your boat, and
were looking here for some sort of validation.

Nope. I hadn't bought the boat until last week, and I was hoping to get
some information from someone who had sailed the 26M, or who has spoken
with someone who had sailed the 26M, or who knew someting about it.

You didn't get it,
decided no one responded properly, then decided to get on your
high horse about lack of response.

Wrong again! I read all the asinine, opinionated comments from
contributors such as yourself and discovered that the Mac-bashers had
very little of substance to to say. Lots of crap, lots of biased
opinionating, but very little actual information.


Sounds to me like you're the
one who needs to press the down arrow. I mean the lever on the
toilet. You're clearly dumb and an asshole, but not a winner there
either.

Since you don't like what I have to say, feel free to filter me out.
I've been here a long time. I'll be here long after you're sick of
your crackerjack box boat and have to sell it at a huge loss.

It's your choice as to whether you want to continue reading or
responding to my notes. But don't hold your breath expecting me to fold,
or run away.

Jim

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

katysails wrote:

Jim suggested:
In that case, all you have to do is to press the "down arrow"
(on the lower right side of your keyboard), and you can quickly
pass by my notes and move on to another topic

That is not with in the spirit of this ng. we all read every single word
posted here because it is our duty to siphon and funnel the miscreants into
some semblance of acceptance. You have already admitted your transgression
of buying a Mac, have promised to stop whining, and have indicated you're
going to start sailing, so we've had some positive effect on you. You had
purchased the sad piece of fiberglass before we could do anything about it,


This isn't what happened at all. I posted my questions several times on
this an on the cruising ng and scanned the reponses for over a month
hoping to get some factual or substantive information regarding the 26M.
It was only after weeks of "Mac bashings" from contributors who, for
the most part, had never even seen the 26M, much less sailed her, that I
concluded that the Mac-Bashers were actually the ones with the problems,
not the answers.

but oh, well...at least the money goes into the US economy...

Yes, at least the California economy will benefit.



Jim

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

JAXAshby wrote:

jim, how many boats do you expect to sell from this little piece of advertising
fluff you did here?


In the interest of full disclosure,


What full disclosure? That you sell these things? That this whole thread was
a piece of advertising fluff?


If I had continued this discussion without disclosing that I recently
placed an order for the Mac, I would be accused of not being straignt
with the group concerning my intentions and interests. That's so obvious
it's not even worth further discussion.

Jim

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

Jim "threatened": Helpful hint. - If it takes two months, three
months, six months, 12 months, or whatever, , I'm not going to turn tail
and run.

Snort...better men than you have made that claim....

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and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

Jim boasted:
By May 10-15 I should be able to take her out under varying conditions,
and I'll post sone further reports.

I would suggest 30-40not conditions with some 15 footers....make sure you
take a life raft....
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and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

Jim asked:
In other words, only sailing stories that 'fit' your preconseptions
regarding the 26M are going to be permitted?

Oh, we'll permit you to tell us your Mac stories and then we'll tear them
apart just as we're doing now....and I don't bet...but it's obvious that you
do gamble since you are the one that bought a Mac....
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MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

Jim admitted buying his boat " only after weeks of "Mac bashings" My, what
great criteria for buying a boat.
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"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

Nah, his ego is way too big for that. He bought a loser, now
he has to justify it.

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"JAXAshby" wrote in message
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or a smaller boat.

DSK wrote:
Jim Cate wrote:

In our area, some of the many "obvious advantages" include the ability
to get out to good sailing waters, sail for half a day, and return to
port within a few hours.


Umm, no. The "obvious advantage" here is that you can get shaken and
deafened while putt-putting out into more open water, then bobbing
around with (or without, doesn't make much difference) sail up, then
reversing the process.

So, it would be better for me to get a larger, keel boat that takes 5
hours to "ROAR" out to the good sailing water, and then another 5 hours
to "ROAR" back to home port? Under that scenario, When do we start
having fun? How long to I have to listen to that diesel?

Jim



A few days ago I went sailing around our marina. Slaloming among the
outer pilings is fun.

"Good sailing waters" is where good sailors sail.


... If you can only sail on weekends, that's an "obvious advantage"
over a boat that takes six hours to motor to a good sailing area, and
six hours to motor back.


You've been sold a bill of goods. You either should 1- keep the boat
closer to where you want to sail or 2- get a boat that can be enjoyably
sailed in waters a practical distance away. There are many solutions to
every problem, and the one you've fixed on is a rather poor one IMHO.

Meanwhile, you get to ride around on your new boat (did you get red or
blue?) while subsidizing your local Macgregor dealers lifestyle. Enjoy.


Actually, I'm one of the fortunate few who will be able to get delivery
of this spectacular new boat this year. Most of their production for the
year has already been commited. (I'm getting the white model.)

FBhis
Doug King

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

Yes, Mac "enthusiasts" are easy targets, like shooting fish in
a barrel, because anyone dumb enough to buy one isn't much
of a sailor. I for one have no problem with you sticking around.
Sometimes even shooting fish in a barrel is good, clean fun. Also,
you might learn something and then decide to sell that piece of
crap and get a real boat.

Many of us have been here for years. So far, you haven't proven
yourself to be anything more than a dummy, and a temporary one
at that. If you post about the high quality of Macs, you're inviting
all sorts of slamming. I suggest you keep quite for the most part,
and occasionally try to ask an intelligent question. But, feel free
to do as you please.

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"Jim Cate" wrote in message
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katysails wrote:

Jax cried:
SPAM!!

I'm of the opinion that the guy is a MacGregor infiltrate, sent by the
company to turn the attention of the group on their sorry product...

I am beginning to understand that this group considers Mac enthusiasts
something like "easy targets" and great sport for Mac attacks.
Apparently, slamming Mac owners or enthusiasts is considered something
like shooting fish in a barrel. - We are supposed to become intimidated
and quickly run off.

Well, this one isn't cooperating, and won't, and apparently, that's not
going down very well. Helpful hint. - If it takes two months, three
months, six months, 12 months, or whatever, , I'm not going to turn tail
and run. Get used to it.

Jim

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

Varying conditions?? In Galveston? Like more mosquitoes than
usual?

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"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...


Donal wrote:

"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...

There is a large bay near here in which we can sail for
the afternoon. As mentioned below, I recently placed an order for one
of the Mac 26M's. When it's delivered, I'll be able to motor down to
Galveston and to the offshore blue water in about two hours.


This reminds me of my plans to travel to France in 3 & 1/2 hours in my
Bayliner. Very soon after I took delivery of the boat, I realised that
I
would never take her to France. However, I still had 10 *very* good
years
of sailing (ok - motoring) in her.



Or, I can
tow the boat down to various points on the coast and launch it there. -


Sounds like hard work....... OK if you are under 25 years old.



I'll try several sailing areas and see how they compare and report back
to the group.


I look forward to your reports.

When are you due to take delivery?

By May 10-15 I should be able to take her out under varying conditions,
and I'll post sone further reports.

Jim



Regards


Donal
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MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

Well fool, since it was pretty clear that no one has the information
you're looking for then I don't really understand why you keep
posting about your bad purchase. Perhaps you can explain it?
It seems to me you just type the same crap over and over,
expecting to get a cordial response? Either you're stupid or
a troll. You pick.

I'd be happy to bet you, but I've already won. You're whining
already!

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"Jim Cate" wrote in message
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Jonathan Ganz wrote:

So you were just trolling.

Nope. If someone had posted some substantive information about the
current model (the 26M), I would have considered it carefully. But all
I got was a crock of **** from members who didn't know anything about
the current model, but who, despite having never sailed the boat or even
spoken with someone who did, didn't hesitate to bash the boat and me.
Apparently, Mac owners are considered an easy target on this ng, and
bashing Mac owners is considered an a great spectator sport. - Of
course, what that tells me is that some of the contributors on this
particular string have a problem. The problem isn't the boat, it's the
asa contributors who don't know what the hell they are talking about.


You will be back whining.

How much are you willing to put down on that particular prediction?
$500? $200? $25? $5????.



Sailing experiences and a Mac are not compatible.

Paying marina fees, insurance, repairs, bottom treatments, etc., to keep
a large keel boat in a marina 99% of the time isn't very compatible with
sailing either.

Jim

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

Bull. You bought it weeks ago and are now trying to justify the purchase.
Don't start lying already. It's not worth it.

If we have nothing of substance to say, then why are you still listening.

I think you're going to stay around just long enough to pop a cork...
look out folks, he's almost there!

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"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...


Jonathan Ganz wrote:

Well, Jhim, the facts are that you already bought your boat, and
were looking here for some sort of validation.

Nope. I hadn't bought the boat until last week, and I was hoping to get
some information from someone who had sailed the 26M, or who has spoken
with someone who had sailed the 26M, or who knew someting about it.

You didn't get it,
decided no one responded properly, then decided to get on your
high horse about lack of response.

Wrong again! I read all the asinine, opinionated comments from
contributors such as yourself and discovered that the Mac-bashers had
very little of substance to to say. Lots of crap, lots of biased
opinionating, but very little actual information.


Sounds to me like you're the
one who needs to press the down arrow. I mean the lever on the
toilet. You're clearly dumb and an asshole, but not a winner there
either.

Since you don't like what I have to say, feel free to filter me out.
I've been here a long time. I'll be here long after you're sick of
your crackerjack box boat and have to sell it at a huge loss.

It's your choice as to whether you want to continue reading or
responding to my notes. But don't hold your breath expecting me to fold,
or run away.

Jim

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

So you're not straight? Oh no!!

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"Jim Cate" wrote in message
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JAXAshby wrote:

jim, how many boats do you expect to sell from this little piece of
advertising
fluff you did here?


In the interest of full disclosure,


What full disclosure? That you sell these things? That this whole
thread was
a piece of advertising fluff?


If I had continued this discussion without disclosing that I recently
placed an order for the Mac, I would be accused of not being straignt
with the group concerning my intentions and interests. That's so obvious
it's not even worth further discussion.

Jim

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

If *what* takes 2,3,6 months?

SCOTTY

"katysails" wrote in message
...
Jim "threatened": Helpful hint. - If it takes two months, three
months, six months, 12 months, or whatever, , I'm not going to turn tail
and run.

Snort...better men than you have made that claim....

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"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

Can't you sail out to your ''blue water''?

SV

"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...


DSK wrote:
Jim Cate wrote:

In our area, some of the many "obvious advantages" include the ability
to get out to good sailing waters, sail for half a day, and return to
port within a few hours.


Umm, no. The "obvious advantage" here is that you can get shaken and
deafened while putt-putting out into more open water, then bobbing
around with (or without, doesn't make much difference) sail up, then
reversing the process.

So, it would be better for me to get a larger, keel boat that takes 5
hours to "ROAR" out to the good sailing water, and then another 5 hours
to "ROAR" back to home port? Under that scenario, When do we start
having fun? How long to I have to listen to that diesel?

Jim



A few days ago I went sailing around our marina. Slaloming among the
outer pilings is fun.

"Good sailing waters" is where good sailors sail.


... If you can only sail on weekends, that's an "obvious advantage"
over a boat that takes six hours to motor to a good sailing area, and
six hours to motor back.


You've been sold a bill of goods. You either should 1- keep the boat
closer to where you want to sail or 2- get a boat that can be enjoyably
sailed in waters a practical distance away. There are many solutions to
every problem, and the one you've fixed on is a rather poor one IMHO.

Meanwhile, you get to ride around on your new boat (did you get red or
blue?) while subsidizing your local Macgregor dealers lifestyle. Enjoy.


Actually, I'm one of the fortunate few who will be able to get delivery
of this spectacular new boat this year. Most of their production for the
year has already been commited. (I'm getting the white model.)

FBhis
Doug King

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...

despite having never sailed the boat or even
spoken with someone who did, didn't hesitate to bash the boat and me.
Apparently, Mac owners are considered an easy target on this ng, and
bashing Mac owners is considered an a great spectator sport. -

and you never got the hint, did ya now?

SV