MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

Jonathan Ganz wrote:

You're a liar and a fraud as best as I can tell. You're an old fool
at best.


Wrong again, Johnny. Check the notes posted on this newsgroup in March
of 1997, and thereafter.

Jim

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

Jonathan Ganz wrote:

you're clearly not much of sailor, having bought a Mac.



"Jim Cate" agreed and wrote ...

I'm not a sailor, since I bought
a Mac.

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

Scott Vernon wrote:

Scotty wrote....

the Mac26Xm is a cheap plastic piece of crap that doesn't sail worth a

damn.


"Jim Cate" wrote ...


Agreed.

Jim


And your boat is made of wood? Ferrocement? Iron? Aluminum?

Jim

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

Jim Cate wrote:

Maybe. But if the Mac inner liner serves the same purpose, if the
central, lowermost portion of the hull is penetrated, then it's a case
of the Mac walking like a duck, swimming like a duck, and quacking
like a duck. Seems to me that whether you call it a doublehull or
not is actually a non sequitor.

If, if, if.

You're spouting third-rate garbage. You made a generalsed claim and are now
trying to redefine it in terms of the call that was made on your claim -
it's called the "no true Scotsman move".


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MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

"Jim Cate" wrote


Actually, it is a double hull, although I don't think that MacGregor is
advertising the boat has having a double hull.

If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a

duck.............................................. ..........................
.................................................. ....................


if it sounds like an asshole, and writes like an asshole, jim must be an
asshole.

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

Jonathan Ganz wrote:

MacBoy,

What I'm saying is that "there aren't many owners of Macs
that would open themselves up to the kind of ridicule that
you've done. Even they are smarter than you, because they've
figured out Macs are crap and don't wish to embarrass themselves
any further in public.

So MacBoy.. when are you going to prove you didn't buy your
boat prior to posting about buying it?


What form of "proof" would satisfy you, Johnny? I don't think my dealer
would appreciate my posting a copy of the order form, but perhaps some
other form of evidence would do the same thing.

Ji

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

I'm very lucky to be able to get
one of the few available this year.


I don't know about lucky, but it's true about Macs, you have to wait for them.
I suppose it's because they're the least expensive 26 footer out there.

Look, most people buy a boat that size and never sail it, so what difference
does it make what kind of quality it is. It can stand up to rain in the slip or
driveway as good as any other boat.

My wife and I are day sailors in our 14.5 foot Hunter. But we sail on the ocean
and we sail all the time. That's what matters.

The Veridican

The Veridican

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

You're still solving problems that don't exist. This is only important on a mac
where the hull it too thin given the speed it can attain (if you empty the
ballast, leave the mast and sails at the dock, carry one gallon of fuel, and
singlehand).

And, you have to be luck enough to hit something in the middle, not on the side
of the boat. What are you going to do when you see a log? Aim for it so you
hit dead on, rather than a glancing blow?


"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...


Jeff Morris wrote:

It only covers 1/3 of the width, and its the least likely part of the hull
to
hit something. Hitting bottom is no going to sink the boat, not when it
only
draw a foot. Hitting a floating object while you're in deep water is the
real
risk. That's why having an extra layer along the waterline is meaningless.

It's not "along the waterline." It's below the waterline. And in a boat
plaining under power, the portion protected by the extra wall is
precisely the area most likely to be damaged by impacts with submerged
objects just below the surface.


Of
course, mac are not marketed to people that understand the real risks -
that's
why their marketing department makes up nonsense like this.

Claiming over and over that its a "double hull" just makes you sound like
an
idiot.

Actually, it is a double hull, although I don't think that MacGregor is
advertising the boat has having a double hull.

If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a

duck.............................................. ..............................
.................................................. ................



"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...


Jeff Morris wrote:


Jim, you're turning into an outright liar now. Its been pointed out to you

that

the "second wall" only covers a portion of the below water surface,
probably
less than half, and this does not include the vulnerable chines. Frankly,

many

boats have integral tanks of some sort - unless they cover most of the

surface

they do not provide the safety factor you're claiming.

As discussed in detail above, the water ballast extend for some2/3rds of
the length of the vessel and it protects the most vulnerable (lowermost.
central) portion fo the hull. Although you may not want to call the
extra wall a "double hull," it actually serves the same purpose. - If it
walks like a duck, and talks like a ducke....why not call it a duck.


BTW, if your ballast tank is punctured, the water would partially drain,

(Unless the boat turtled or pitch polled and then remained in an
inverted position (despite the safety factors such as flotaion in the
mast itself, and the permanent ballast in the hull), why do you think
the water in the ballast tank would drain, since it is positioned below
the cg of the boat?
leaving

the boat dangerously unstable.

You don't seem to get it. - Would you prefer to be on a displacement
boat with no floatation whatsoever, in which the keel would pull the
boat to the bottom QUICKLY if the cabin were filled with water?


Since far more people drown from falling off

capsized boats than from sinking boats (by a huge margin, like 30 to 1),

Jeff, where did you get those statistics ("like, 30 to 1"). PLEASE
PROVIDE LISTINGS OF YOUR SOURCES AND CITES TO ANY WEBSITES YOU ARE
CITING. ALSO, PLEASE INCLUDE THE VOLUME, DATE, PAGE NUMBERS, ETC., OF
ANY ARTICLES OR BOOKS YOU ARE CITING.


its not

clear you can call this a safety factor at all.



"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...


Scott, whether or not you call it double hulled, IT DOES INCLUDE A
SECOND wall above its lowermost hull that SERVES THE PURPOSE of keeping
water out of the cabin if the lower hull is compromised. And although
the second wall doesn't extend over all the hull, IT DOES extend over
the lowermost portion thereof, and it does extend for around 2/3rd. the
length of the boat. - If it walks like a duck, and talks like a duck,
and serves the same purpose as a second hull......it doesn't make much
difference whether you call it a double hull or not.

Jim

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

Wally wrote:

Jim Cate wrote:


I was hoping to get some reports from contributors who had actually
sailed the 26M (not the previous models), or who had spoken with
experienced sailors who had sailed the boat. No one on this ng had
sailed the boat, and few had spoken with anyone who had. If someone on
the ng had actually sailed the boat, his or her report regarding how
the boat handled under varying conditions would have been helpful.


So, armed with this lack of information, you went and bought one. Why do
that when, by your own admission, you aren't sufficiently well informed to
assert its worthiness?


In any such decision, one likes to gather as much substantive
information possible for consideration before making a decision. In this
case, I got little if any substantive information from this ng. This was
a significant clue. - It told me that much of the "Mac Bashers" really
didn't have any direct knowledge of the 26M, and that most of the Mac
Bashing had no basis in fact. It further told me that many on this ng
who commented on the Macs really didn't know what the hell they were
talking about.

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

"Jim Cate" wrote ...

In other words, the Mac includes an additional liner in the hull


it's a frickin ballast tank you asshole!



Although you may be right .
I don't have
the basic integrity and intellectual honesty to admit that I'm
wrong, and that I've never sailed the26m, or that I really
don't know what I'm talking about.

If it walks like an ass, and quacks like an
ass .......................................

Jim

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

Scott Vernon wrote:

Smart-ass Jim Cate" wrote ...

It tells me when we have "40-not" winds.



And then wrote.....


the boat makes better
speed if you keep it relatively upright rather than heavily keeled.

Jim



So now the mac has an adjustable weight keel?

SV



heeled.

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...


Scott Vernon wrote:

Scotty wrote....

the Mac26Xm is a cheap plastic piece of crap that doesn't sail worth a

damn.


"Jim Cate" wrote ...


Agreed.

Jim


And your boat is made of wood? Ferrocement? Iron? Aluminum?

Jim


*IF* I had a boat, it wouldn't be a Mac26Mx.

Scotty

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

Jim Cate wrote:

In any such decision, one likes to gather as much substantive
information possible for consideration before making a decision. In
this case, I got little if any substantive information from this ng.
This was a significant clue. - It told me that much of the "Mac
Bashers" really didn't have any direct knowledge of the 26M, and that
most of the Mac Bashing had no basis in fact. It further told me that
many on this ng who commented on the Macs really didn't know what the
hell they were talking about.

You are a moron.



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MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

glass houses, jim, glass houses.....


"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...


Scott Vernon wrote:

Smart-ass Jim Cate" wrote ...

It tells me when we have "40-not" winds.



And then wrote.....


the boat makes better
speed if you keep it relatively upright rather than heavily keeled.

Jim



So now the mac has an adjustable weight keel?

SV



heeled.

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

Wally wrote:

Jim Cate wrote:


Where does the depth bit fit into this? Faceitiousness aside, what
sort of handling do you expect from the 26M in a 40kt wind? How much
reef would you put in the main, and what size of jib would you use?
How much heel would you expect when going to windward?


Since I plan occasionally to go offshore in moderate conditions, ...


70 knots is not 'moderate'.



I
have ordered the boat with several accessories relating to safety,
etc. - These include three reefing points in the main, roller
furling,


Is that roller furling or roller reefing? If the former, how do you propose
to bend on a small jib?


The plan is to reef the working jib before going offshore. Or, if the
winds may be severe, to hank on a storm jib in place of the working jib.




The depth and knot meters are desirable in the Galveston bay area in
view of the fact that much of our bay waters are relatively shallow,


How does a knot meter help in shallow water?


The knot meter tells me whether I'm making too much headway for safety
when navigating a narrow and silted channel. It also gives me a means
for estimating how far I have traveled, and what my position is. It's a
backup to the chartreader.


and some of the channels are narrow and not kept in good condition.


What do you mean?


They aren't dredged often enough to maintain their reported and charted
depth depth and width.


However, I understand that the boat
makes better speed if you keep it relatively upright rather than
heavily keeled. Again, I'll have to do some experimentation to arrive
at preferred reefing points, heel angles, sail configurations, etc.,
for various conditions.


I asked:

1. What sort of handling do you expect from the 26M in a 40kt wind?

The boat should be fairly stable in 40Kt winds if sufficiently reefed.

2. How much reef would you put in the main, and what size of jib would you
use?

As previously noted, these parameters would be determined empirically,
through an extended series of sea trials in varying conditions.



3. How much heel would you expect when going to windward?

Depends on the degree of reef in the main and furling of the jib.


And your answer is, in effect, "I don't know". Yet, you're planning to go
out in 70kt winds.

Nope. You, again, have it bass ass backwards. - If I told you that I
would expect 27.5 degrees of heel, with a particular set of sails
deployed, THAT would be a joke. - What I told you was that I would be
conducting a series of sea trials using varying combinations of sails
and reefing points in varying winds. That series of tests, when sailing
under varying conditions, is the only way I would want to rely on to set
the sails under heavy weather conditions.

Of course, everyone recognized that you thought you were throwing me a
"gotcha." You intended to trip me up. But ultimately, YOU are the one
who demonstrated how stupid you really are.

Jim

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

Jonathan Ganz wrote:

And, he's not moderately stupid either.

Have a nice evening, Johny.

Jim

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

So, what you're saying is that you can't prove it. Ok.
That's all I wanted to know.

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"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...


Jonathan Ganz wrote:

Post the bill of sale. Consider how stupid you are currently
perceived by claiming your piece of crap is anything more
than that.


Jonathan, I ordered the boat last month, as indicated. Whay are you so
concerned about when I ordereed it? What are you trying to prove?

Regarding your statement that the Mac is a piece of crap, actually, I'm
very fortunate to be able to get one of the few 26Ms still available in
the next few months. It's a spectacular, high-tech, innovative new
vessel incorporating a number of improvements derived from Mac's
extensive exeperience over the years. I'm very lucky to be able to get
one of the few available this year.

Jim

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

You're right! Most people buy a boat and hardly sail it. But, MacBoy
claimed he was going to sail it in high wind conditions up to 70kts. He's
clearly either delusional or a liar. He claimed that it's a better boat than
a Valient. It isn't. He claimed it is double-hulled. It isn't.

I'm not a big fan of hunters, but I am a big fan of people who actually
go sailing. If he were actually going to sail his Mac in conditions that
would be appropriate for that kind of boat (insert snikering here), then
I would have some respect for him.

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"Veridican" wrote in message
...
I'm very lucky to be able to get
one of the few available this year.


I don't know about lucky, but it's true about Macs, you have to wait for
them.
I suppose it's because they're the least expensive 26 footer out there.

Look, most people buy a boat that size and never sail it, so what
difference
does it make what kind of quality it is. It can stand up to rain in the
slip or
driveway as good as any other boat.

My wife and I are day sailors in our 14.5 foot Hunter. But we sail on the
ocean
and we sail all the time. That's what matters.

The Veridican

The Veridican

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

No.. you check the notes. I have better things to do Jimmy.

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"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...


Jonathan Ganz wrote:

You're a liar and a fraud as best as I can tell. You're an old fool
at best.


Wrong again, Johnny. Check the notes posted on this newsgroup in March
of 1997, and thereafter.

Jim

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

Well, you have a point. I wouldn't consider my Cal 20 a rich sailor's
boat. Do you?

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"EdGordonRN" wrote in message
...
Exactly. I know several people who drive junker cars. I have
no problem with that. I would have a problem if one of them
claimed it handled better than my SVX

Ah, the rich sailor. God I hate rich sailors. I mean the Mac is a piece of
****, I agree, but rich people suck worse than cable steering and a 50 hp
power
motor strapped on the back of a milk carton boat.

The Veridican

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

Damn.. oh well.

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"katysails" wrote in message
...
Now look at what you've done, Jon...you've unearthed Ed Gordon from
whatever
cave he's been dweklling in these past few years....

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and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

Whatever you think appropriate. I'm sure we'll all have a comment.

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"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...


Jonathan Ganz wrote:

MacBoy,

What I'm saying is that "there aren't many owners of Macs
that would open themselves up to the kind of ridicule that
you've done. Even they are smarter than you, because they've
figured out Macs are crap and don't wish to embarrass themselves
any further in public.

So MacBoy.. when are you going to prove you didn't buy your
boat prior to posting about buying it?


What form of "proof" would satisfy you, Johnny? I don't think my dealer
would appreciate my posting a copy of the order form, but perhaps some
other form of evidence would do the same thing.

Ji

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

Now that's a bit strong. I would say, "You're a stupid fool."
We don't want to insult morons.

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"Wally" wrote in message
...
Jim Cate wrote:

In any such decision, one likes to gather as much substantive
information possible for consideration before making a decision. In
this case, I got little if any substantive information from this ng.
This was a significant clue. - It told me that much of the "Mac
Bashers" really didn't have any direct knowledge of the 26M, and that
most of the Mac Bashing had no basis in fact. It further told me that
many on this ng who commented on the Macs really didn't know what the
hell they were talking about.

You are a moron.



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MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

"Jim Cate" wrote


The plan is to reef the working jib before going offshore.


you're going to reef a working jib on a Mac26? he he heeeee OK.





1. What sort of handling do you expect from the 26M in a 40kt wind?

The boat should be fairly stable in 40Kt winds if sufficiently reefed.


and by ''sufficiently reefed'' you mean tied down to the trailer, right?




But ultimately, Jim are the one
who demonstrated how stupid Jim really are.

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

Are you sure??

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"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
"Jim Cate" wrote


right. And a Mac 26 M does NOT have a double hull.


Maybe.

Stop acting like an obnoxious little prick. There's no maybe about it, no
probably, or possibly, or almost. Listen up dickweed, the MAC 26 IS
****N
O T**** DOUBLE HULLED!






And what if it were penetrated where the sink drain through hull wasn't?


Man the pumps and patch the breech PDQ.

Scotty

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

MacBoy,

Actually, if you had said 100 miles inland, I might have agreed with you.

No. You're not a sailor because you have no idea how to sail. You
think a motor boat with a sail on it is a sailboat. You claim a great
deal of knowledge for someone who just plunked down a bunch of
money for a piece of junk.

We await your unlikely return from the ocean.

Yes, there are several people on this ng who have a greater chance
of even wanting to sail offshore. In fact, I could recommend it to
myself, if I wanted to do that again. Maybe I will someday. At the
moment, I'm only interested in bay and minor coastal sailing.

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"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...


Jonathan Ganz wrote:

MacBoy, you say you would want to be prepared, but you would plan on
motoring or sailing back from where? 500 miles off the coast?


Nope. Not more than 100 miles offshore.

Actually,
the truth is that you would not survive either with or without your Mac,
since you're clearly not much of sailor, having bought a Mac.


What a ridiculous, asinine statement. - I'm not a sailor, since I bought
a Mac. - The bottom line, Jonathan, is that you have no understanding
whatsoever of the most basic aspects of logic, rationality, and
intellectual honesty. - In other words, you aren't willing to tell the
truth.


But, since
you made the statement you did about the Mac surviving such an
experience,
it's again obvious that you know nothing of boats. However, feel free to
prove us all wrong. I suggest you leave immediately. Give us a full
report
including pictures should you happen to return. I'm sure we'll all then
rush out and buy one.

I'll be happy to provide detailed reports of my offshore trips in the
Mac26M.

I'm not planning on buying a Satori, since I already have a quite a nice
boat, which while off-shore capable, is not set up for it. Further, I
have
no desire to do any extended off-shore trips, since where I sail is fun
and challenging, and I have local responsibilities.

Sure Johnathan. But would you recommend the Satori to anyone else on
this ng???


Jim

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

Jim Cate wrote:

The plan is to reef the working jib before going offshore. Or, if the
winds may be severe, to hank on a storm jib in place of the working
jib.

How do you hank a storm jib on when there's a roller furling mech in the
way? Does it have a second forestay for the purpose?


Depends on the degree of reef in the main and furling of the jib.

Is that roller furling or roller reefing on the jib?


Nope. You, again, have it bass ass backwards.

Stop talking crap - 70 knots is a hurricane and 100 miles offshore isn't
coastal cruising. The 26M is a beginner's boat and isn't built for such
conditions.


Of course, everyone recognized that you thought you were throwing me a
"gotcha." You intended to trip me up. But ultimately, YOU are the one
who demonstrated how stupid you really are.

I freely admit that I am a sweet, innocent, fresh-faced n00b. Unlike you, I
don't come in here spouting irrational, badly-argued garbage while making a
bunch of ridiculous claims.

You're a troll, or a moron, or a moronic troll, or a trolling moron. Pick
one.


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MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

I guess you will be having a nice weekend asshole... yech.

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"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...


Scott Vernon wrote:

jimbo, you are full of ****.


Thanks for your note, Scott. Have a nice evening.

Jim



"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...


Scott Vernon wrote:


"Jim Cate" wrote


are you under the impression that a mac26 is double hulled?

.

Yes it is.


NO, it's NOT


Scott, whether or not you call it double hulled, IT DOES INCLUDE A
SECOND wall above its lowermost hull that SERVES THE PURPOSE of keeping
water out of the cabin if the lower hull is compromised. And although
the second wall doesn't extend over all the hull, IT DOES extend over
the lowermost portion thereof, and it does extend for around 2/3rd. the
length of the boat. - If it walks like a duck, and talks like a duck,
and serves the same purpose as a second hull......it doesn't make much
difference whether you call it a double hull or not.

Jim

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

about what?

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
Are you sure??

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"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
"Jim Cate" wrote


right. And a Mac 26 M does NOT have a double hull.


Maybe.

Stop acting like an obnoxious little prick. There's no maybe about it,
no
probably, or possibly, or almost. Listen up dickweed, the MAC 26 IS
****N
O T**** DOUBLE HULLED!






And what if it were penetrated where the sink drain through hull
wasn't?


Man the pumps and patch the breech PDQ.

Scotty

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

See, now this is what happens when you try to defend an asshole.
You ASSUMED that I was saying you were more than moderately
stupid.

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"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...


Jonathan Ganz wrote:

And, he's not moderately stupid either.

Have a nice evening, Johny.

Jim

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

In my opinion, you're stupid, a liar, and an asshole.

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"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...


Wally wrote:

Jim Cate wrote:


Where does the depth bit fit into this? Faceitiousness aside, what
sort of handling do you expect from the 26M in a 40kt wind? How much
reef would you put in the main, and what size of jib would you use?
How much heel would you expect when going to windward?


Since I plan occasionally to go offshore in moderate conditions, ...


70 knots is not 'moderate'.



I
have ordered the boat with several accessories relating to safety,
etc. - These include three reefing points in the main, roller
furling,


Is that roller furling or roller reefing? If the former, how do you
propose
to bend on a small jib?


The plan is to reef the working jib before going offshore. Or, if the
winds may be severe, to hank on a storm jib in place of the working jib.




The depth and knot meters are desirable in the Galveston bay area in
view of the fact that much of our bay waters are relatively shallow,


How does a knot meter help in shallow water?


The knot meter tells me whether I'm making too much headway for safety
when navigating a narrow and silted channel. It also gives me a means
for estimating how far I have traveled, and what my position is. It's a
backup to the chartreader.


and some of the channels are narrow and not kept in good condition.


What do you mean?


They aren't dredged often enough to maintain their reported and charted
depth depth and width.


However, I understand that the boat
makes better speed if you keep it relatively upright rather than
heavily keeled. Again, I'll have to do some experimentation to arrive
at preferred reefing points, heel angles, sail configurations, etc.,
for various conditions.


I asked:

1. What sort of handling do you expect from the 26M in a 40kt wind?

The boat should be fairly stable in 40Kt winds if sufficiently reefed.

2. How much reef would you put in the main, and what size of jib would
you
use?

As previously noted, these parameters would be determined empirically,
through an extended series of sea trials in varying conditions.



3. How much heel would you expect when going to windward?

Depends on the degree of reef in the main and furling of the jib.


And your answer is, in effect, "I don't know". Yet, you're planning to
go
out in 70kt winds.

Nope. You, again, have it bass ass backwards. - If I told you that I
would expect 27.5 degrees of heel, with a particular set of sails
deployed, THAT would be a joke. - What I told you was that I would be
conducting a series of sea trials using varying combinations of sails
and reefing points in varying winds. That series of tests, when sailing
under varying conditions, is the only way I would want to rely on to set
the sails under heavy weather conditions.

Of course, everyone recognized that you thought you were throwing me a
"gotcha." You intended to trip me up. But ultimately, YOU are the one
who demonstrated how stupid you really are.

Jim

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

Jonathan Ganz wrote:

Now that's a bit strong. I would say, "You're a stupid fool."
We don't want to insult morons.

Perhaps 'cretin' would be more appropriate - I hear they're dumber than
morons.


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MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

Jonathan Ganz wrote:

In my opinion, you're stupid, a liar, and an asshole.

He's probably an iguana smuggler, to boot...


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MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

Jonathan Ganz wrote:
No.. you check the notes. I have better things to do Jimmy.


Johnny, I was posting notes on this newsgroup seven years ago. Unless
you were here earlier than 1997, that makes you the "newguy".

Jim

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

Jonathan Ganz wrote:

Whatever you think appropriate. I'm sure we'll all have a comment.


But what do you suggest?

Jim

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

Wally wrote:

Jim Cate wrote:


In any such decision, one likes to gather as much substantive
information possible for consideration before making a decision. In
this case, I got little if any substantive information from this ng.
This was a significant clue. - It told me that much of the "Mac
Bashers" really didn't have any direct knowledge of the 26M, and that
most of the Mac Bashing had no basis in fact. It further told me that
many on this ng who commented on the Macs really didn't know what the
hell they were talking about.


You are a moron.

Have a nice evening anyway.

Jim

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

Jim Cate wrote:



Scott Vernon wrote:

Smart-ass Jim Cate" wrote ...

It tells me when we have "40-not" winds.




And then wrote.....


the boat makes better speed if you keep it relatively upright rather
than heavily keeled.
Jim




So now the mac has an adjustable weight keel?

SV

severely heeled



heeled.

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

On Mon, 12 Apr 2004 22:06:57 -0400, "Jeff Morris"
wrote:

snip

And, its a horrible sailor. I haven't seen a PHRF number for the 26M, but on
the mac boards you'll see comments of rating the 26X at somewhere between 280
and 300. And this is for lake racing - imagine how slow it is "75 miles
offshore." You're thinking its safe to venture that far out because you can
scoot in at 20 knots. However, if you get a nasty chop you could end up
spending all night trying to get back.

I was wondering about the PHRF numbers. Do you think they are really
indicative of the slowness of the boat or is more a statement of just
how inexperienced Mac sailors are? I guess we will never know,
because anyone who actually knows how to sail wouldn't be found on a
Mac, but it is something to think about.

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

Scott Vernon wrote:

"Jim Cate" wrote


The plan is to reef the working jib before going offshore.



you're going to reef a working jib on a Mac26? he he heeeee OK.


If heavy weather is predicted, I'll substitute a storm jib. Otherwise,
however, I'll reef the working jib and main before going offshore. And
if winds build higher, reef it again.




1. What sort of handling do you expect from the 26M in a 40kt wind?

The boat should be fairly stable in 40Kt winds if sufficiently reefed.



and by ''sufficiently reefed'' you mean tied down to the trailer, right?




But ultimately, Jim are the one
who demonstrated how stupid Jim really are.

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

Wally wrote:

Jim Cate wrote:


The plan is to reef the working jib before going offshore. Or, if the
winds may be severe, to hank on a storm jib in place of the working
jib.


How do you hank a storm jib on when there's a roller furling mech in the
way? Does it have a second forestay for the purpose?


If heavy weather is predicted, a storm jib would be hanked on the
forestay. The roller furling mechanism is removed first.



Depends on the degree of reef in the main and furling of the jib.


Is that roller furling or roller reefing on the jib?


Roller furling.


Nope. You, again, have it bass ass backwards.


Stop talking crap - 70 knots is a hurricane and 100 miles offshore isn't
coastal cruising. The 26M is a beginner's boat and isn't built for such
conditions.


After I sail several times in 70 knots, I'll be able to give you a more
comprehensive description of the boat's sailing characteristics under
such conditions.



Of course, everyone recognized that you thought you were throwing me a
"gotcha." You intended to trip me up. But ultimately, YOU are the one
who demonstrated how stupid you really are.


I freely admit that I am a sweet, innocent, fresh-faced n00b. Unlike you, I
don't come in here spouting irrational, badly-argued garbage while making a
bunch of ridiculous claims.

You're a troll, or a moron, or a moronic troll, or a trolling moron. Pick
one.

Sure think Wally. Have a nice evening. Are you going sailing this
weekend? Or do you just enjoy spending your spare time sneering at
others who do?

Jim