MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

OzOne wrote
It's also likely that it'll take a belly full through that open hatch,
go bow down, dive into the next wave, ship more water then turn
turtle!


that's OK, it's got'' positive foam floatation''.

:)

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

"Jim Cate" wrote ...

Obviously, I'll want to respect
the limiations of the 26 M and never leave the dock.

Jim

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

wrote:
On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 17:48:11 -0500, Jim Cate wrote:



Scott Vernon wrote:


check the headers and then do a Google. Roger has posted here before.



Binary, think about this for a moment. This newsgroup can be read by
anyone in the United States with access to the internet. In fact, it
can be read by people around the world. - In England, France, Germany,
Italy, Japan, Russia, China, etc. Do you REALLY think that the "real"
Roger MacGregor is going to post comments criticizing his boats like
that on this newsgroup? Comments like:

real sailors know what a "CRAPPY, SHODDY PRODUCT WE PEDDLE." Our
customers have "NO CLUE WHATSOEVER ... AS TO HOW BAD OUR BOAT REALLY
IS." And telling everyone on the www that he paid a bribe to
Practical Sailor, and paid off the DEP and OSHA?

If so, I have several bridges up for sale.

Jim




And you really believe that Roger is posting these notes? Notes stating
that: real sailors know what a "CRAPPY, SHODDY PRODUCT WE PEDDLE."
That his customers have "NO CLUE WHATSOEVER ... AS TO HOW BAD OUR BOAT
REALLY IS." And telling everyone on the www that he paid a bribe to
Practical Sailor, and paid off the DEP and OSHA?

Scott, I happen to have a Mac26M for sale that you might be interested
in buying.

Jim

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

Jonathan Ganz wrote:
This isn't a discussion fool. This is a rout.

Really? Then why are you here, still sticking around? If it were a rout,
it would have been finished long ago. - You just can't leave it alone,
can you John?

Jim

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...


Actually, the quote I had was $300. I was including some padding.


for your knees.





Actually, my comment mentioning $200 was a question, not a statement. I
actually think it will be much less than that. Your diesel may not
have cost you much in the past few years, but sooner or later, you will
ahve to have an overhaul. You need to prorate the bigger costs into your
annual estimate.

not true mac-boy. I only put about 60 hours on the engine per season. How
many hours do you think a diesel has?




"IF ONLY I had bought a Mac 26M....then I could be the laughing stock of

the sailing world."

Jimbo


He who laughs last.......

took the longest to get the joke.

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

"Jim Cate" wrote


In our area, the boat could be trailered to the Gulf coast in less than
an hour, or to various ports up and down the coast in two or three
hours.

why don't you just drive your car and get there faster?

you don't get 'sailing'.


It means the difference between being essentially locked into
one sailing area for most of the year (It can get pretty monotonous)


you don't understand 'sailing'.



being able to go whereever we want to go, in one weekend.

weekend warrior


Despite my
pontification and sarcasm, the boat does substantially minimize the
"sailing" factor.

Jimbo

Jimboo

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

Jonathan Ganz wrote:

What about "unexpected weather"???

Most weather is "unexpected" in our area. My point is that I intend to
be very conservative in going out when the weather is questionable, and
to motor back soon when the forecast indicates worsening conditions. I
intend to reef early and substantially, and stay close to shore if the
weather becomes questionable.

On the other hand, I don't intend to stay off the blue water because
there might be "unexpected" changes in the weather. As I've told you
several times, John, if I perish at sea, you won't have to stick around
posting notes on this discussion string anymore. You seem to have become
compulsive about the whole thing, and you can't seem to let it go. -
Seems to me that you ought to be encouraging me and urging me on.

Jim

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

"Jim Cate" wrote ...


What, in particular, have I posted that would suggest that I'm stupid
beyond believe.

BE SPECIFIC FOR A CHANGE,

ASSHOLE.


You wrote you were buying a Mac26Mx, DUH!

nice sig. BTW.

SV

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

DSK wrote:

Jim Cate wrote:

.... However,I think I've made it clear that I intend to be very
conservative when going off-shore, to reef early, and substantially,
if there is any question of threatening weather.


Unfortunately, neither "being conservative" nor reefing will help if
conditions are such that you're going to get solid water over the deck.
Just last week I was talking to a nice man who was bringing in a heavy
traditional cutter. He had been out in fairly common conditions, a
spring cold front, which kicked up waves big enough to roll over his
foredeck. One peeled open his fore hatch, which was a big surprise to
his fiancee sleeping in the V-berth.

Well, I'm prepared to die. But I don't intend to stop sailing in blue
water because there is a chance that heavy weather might develop. As
indicated above, I intend to reef early, stay close to shore, and head
back to shore early if changes are observed or predicted.

Jim



A Mac 26M (having pretty much the same hull as the 26X) has enough
reserve bouyancy to survive such an incident... as long as the water
coming in didn't compromise the stability (water ballast and all that)...

Fresh Breezes- Doug King



Ultimately, however, if an emergency arose despite all of the above, I
would rather have some water in the V-berth than wallow around without
a sea anchor.

Jim

Jim

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

Jim Cate wrote:

In particular, I would suggest that I'm stupid beyond believe.

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

If you had a decent boat you wouldn't have to be so paranoid about the
weather.



"Jim Cate" wrote

What about "unexpected weather"???

Most weather is "unexpected" in our area. My point is that I intend to
be very conservative in going out when the weather is questionable, and
to motor back soon when the forecast indicates worsening conditions. I
intend to reef early and substantially, and stay close to shore if the
weather becomes questionable.

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

Jonathan Ganz wrote:

You should pay more attention to what people are telling
you. You're the childish asshole, going on and on about a
piece of junk boat and pie-in-the-sky adventures you'll
never take.

ANOTHER non substantive personal attack, Johnathan. Could you possibly
be just a little more specific? Notes like this are so vague
and indefinite that they just tend to raise questions about the
writer. - In other words, if you had anything to say, other than your
usual personal harangue, why didn't you say it?

jim

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

Scott Vernon wrote:

"Jim Cate" wrote

The score of 98 was the score
on an IQ test.

Jim

Nope. my note stated:

"I recently took the ASA basic sailing course again as a review and
scored 98."

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

"Jim Cate" wrote

I'm well prepared to die, thus the Mac M purchase.

Jim

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

Jim Cate wrote:

Notes like this are so vague
and indefinite that they just tend to raise questions about the
writer.

Why didn't you answer the question that I put to you a while ago?


--
Wally
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www.wally.myby.co.uk/music

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

Jonathan Ganz wrote:

Actually, I do understand, since you said you have an above average
IQ. Above average = 101. The 98% is meaningless, as an ASA or
other test has NO MEANING. What counts is sailing ability. If I
had been your instructor, I would have told you to pick another
hobby.


Wrong again, Johnny. The ASA course included two days of sailing, in
which our instructor tested us on sailing on all points of sail,
performing man-overboard-recoveries, docking, following the channels,
reading the markers, observing right-of-way rules with respect to other
boats of all kinds, knot tying, etc. While you may say that my score of
98 has no meaning, the test was very comprehensive. The results
indicate that I'm not a total novice, or a dumb-ass as you have
previously stated. If I were a total dumb-ass, I couldn't have aced the
test.

Jim

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

Wally wrote:

Jim Cate wrote:


... Or were you hoping to get another answer.


What sort of 'other answer' do you think I was hoping for?


Actually, I didn't say that I thought you were hoping for another
answer.


Then why ask if was hopng for another answer? What were you alluding to?


From my experience on this ng so far, around 98% of those who ask me a
question are doing so hoping that I'll goof, or make a mistake of some
type that they can then use as a "gotcha" for further ridicule or
sarcasm. In this case, I had suspected that you were expecting that I
was blowing smoke, and that I really didn't have any specific,
substantive problems with the Mac 26x.

If I was wrong in this regard, and you really aren't trying to put me
down, please accept my apologies.

Jim

Jim

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

Jim Cate wrote:

From my experience on this ng so far, around 98% of those who ask me
a question are doing so hoping that I'll goof, or make a mistake of
some type that they can then use as a "gotcha" for further ridicule or
sarcasm. In this case, I had suspected that you were expecting that I
was blowing smoke, and that I really didn't have any specific,
substantive problems with the Mac 26x.

If I was wrong in this regard, and you really aren't trying to put me
down, please accept my apologies.

Thanks, but that wasn't the question I was referring to.


--
Wally
www.artbywally.com
www.wally.myby.co.uk/music

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

Sorry to hear you feel that way Jim. I've been posting to this group
for 25 years. if you want, you can call me at the office and verify
that it is indeed me. I'll be glad to discuss the new 'M' model and
maybe we can make a deal on your bridge.
Call the factory and ask for Rog.

Roger MacGregor


"Jim Cate" wrote in message ...

wrote:
On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 17:48:11 -0500, Jim Cate wrote:



check the headers and then do a Google. Roger has posted here before.



Binary, think about this for a moment. This newsgroup can be read by
anyone in the United States with access to the internet. In fact, it
can be read by people around the world. - In England, France, Germany,
Italy, Japan, Russia, China, etc. Do you REALLY think that the "real"
Roger MacGregor is going to post comments criticizing his boats like
that on this newsgroup? Comments like:

real sailors know what a "CRAPPY, SHODDY PRODUCT WE PEDDLE." Our
customers have "NO CLUE WHATSOEVER ... AS TO HOW BAD OUR BOAT REALLY
IS." And telling everyone on the www that he paid a bribe to
Practical Sailor, and paid off the DEP and OSHA?

If so, I have several bridges up for sale.

Ignore the aesthetics, can it sail, and...WILL it be sailed?
 

That was our intention from the git-go. Beginners are afraid of
sailing, yet they want to make claim to the title 'sailor'. The 'X',
and now the new and improved 'M' model are meant to intice the sailor
in you, yet have the look, and therefore the safety of a power boat.
Trust me, it works.

Roger Mac


"John Cairns" wrote in message ...

I have a problem with their looks. While Bolger designs might look ugly and
boxy(not saying they do) they look like sailing vessels. The macs look too
much like powerboats, especially the new ones.
John Cairns

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

Because he's a lying coward.

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"Wally" wrote in message
...
Jim Cate wrote:

Notes like this are so vague
and indefinite that they just tend to raise questions about the
writer.

Why didn't you answer the question that I put to you a while ago?


--
Wally
www.artbywally.com
www.wally.myby.co.uk/music

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

Actually, it was quite substantive. You're just too stupid to
understand.

--
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www.sailnow.com

"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...


Jonathan Ganz wrote:

You should pay more attention to what people are telling
you. You're the childish asshole, going on and on about a
piece of junk boat and pie-in-the-sky adventures you'll
never take.

ANOTHER non substantive personal attack, Johnathan. Could you possibly
be just a little more specific? Notes like this are so vague
and indefinite that they just tend to raise questions about the
writer. - In other words, if you had anything to say, other than your
usual personal harangue, why didn't you say it?

jim

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

By going on and on about a piece of junk, which you bought and
now are trying to justify.

GIVE US A GOOD REASON MACBOY.

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www.sailnow.com

"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...


Jonathan Ganz wrote:

You are so stupid that it's beyond belief.

How can you possibly believe that, or post such a remark on this ng?
What, in particular, have I posted that would suggest that I'm stupid
beyond believe.

BE SPECIFIC FOR A CHANGE, ASSHOLE.

Jim

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

In that case, sell it immediately. DON'T SAIL IT MACBOY.

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"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...


Jeff Morris wrote:

"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...

If you consider that the Mac is much lighter, with much smaller sails,
it's likely that it may ride over some waves that your boat may try to
"bore through." Not in great comfort, admittedly.




You're missing the point, Jim. My boat is extremely light for its
size -
lighter than the mac in some ways (50% more length, more than twice the
beam,
but a weight of only 8800 lbs). Diving through waves is more a function
of the
wave shape - in strong current against strong wind situations the wave
length
gets compressed, the heights grow, and the wave face appears "vertical."
Inevitably, you surf down one and slam into the base of the next faster
than you
can rise up over them. There is also risk to going over the top, since
at best,
you will pound hard on the other side, but at worst, you can get twisted
sideways and roll over.

OK. I didn't know what boat you had. Obviously, I'll want to respect
the limiations of the 26-foot boat.

Jim

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

Huh?? Most weather is unexpected? I guess you have to be
prepared for anything, even the possibility that the MAC IS
A CRAP BOAT AND YOU ARE A LIAR.

Interesting how you comment on all my posts, even though
they're not substantive.

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www.sailnow.com

"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...


Jonathan Ganz wrote:

What about "unexpected weather"???

Most weather is "unexpected" in our area. My point is that I intend to
be very conservative in going out when the weather is questionable, and
to motor back soon when the forecast indicates worsening conditions. I
intend to reef early and substantially, and stay close to shore if the
weather becomes questionable.

On the other hand, I don't intend to stay off the blue water because
there might be "unexpected" changes in the weather. As I've told you
several times, John, if I perish at sea, you won't have to stick around
posting notes on this discussion string anymore. You seem to have become
compulsive about the whole thing, and you can't seem to let it go. -
Seems to me that you ought to be encouraging me and urging me on.

Jim

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

Well, if you need any encouragement from us 20 who are
telling you over and over that your Mac is junk....

--
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www.sailnow.com

"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...


DSK wrote:

Jim Cate wrote:

.... However,I think I've made it clear that I intend to be very
conservative when going off-shore, to reef early, and substantially,
if there is any question of threatening weather.


Unfortunately, neither "being conservative" nor reefing will help if
conditions are such that you're going to get solid water over the deck.
Just last week I was talking to a nice man who was bringing in a heavy
traditional cutter. He had been out in fairly common conditions, a
spring cold front, which kicked up waves big enough to roll over his
foredeck. One peeled open his fore hatch, which was a big surprise to
his fiancee sleeping in the V-berth.

Well, I'm prepared to die. But I don't intend to stop sailing in blue
water because there is a chance that heavy weather might develop. As
indicated above, I intend to reef early, stay close to shore, and head
back to shore early if changes are observed or predicted.

Jim



A Mac 26M (having pretty much the same hull as the 26X) has enough
reserve bouyancy to survive such an incident... as long as the water
coming in didn't compromise the stability (water ballast and all
that)...

Fresh Breezes- Doug King



Ultimately, however, if an emergency arose despite all of the above, I
would rather have some water in the V-berth than wallow around without
a sea anchor.

Jim

Jim

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

I've been here long before you arrived, and I'll be here long
after you go. You're a piker compared to some of the others
who couldn't hack it and folded.

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"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...


Jonathan Ganz wrote:
This isn't a discussion fool. This is a rout.

Really? Then why are you here, still sticking around? If it were a rout,
it would have been finished long ago. - You just can't leave it alone,
can you John?

Jim

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

Jonathan Ganz wrote:

This isn't a discussion fool. This is a rout.

If so, why are you still sticking around"

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

Actually, that's not true, even in my case (of non-substantive posts).
The fact is that we tried to disuade you from your purchase, but it
turned out that you had already bought the junk and now seek to
justify it. So far, you haven't asked a single question that wasn't
answered in great detail. Thus, you are a MacBoy, a fool, and
stupid.

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"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...


Wally wrote:

Jim Cate wrote:


... Or were you hoping to get another answer.


What sort of 'other answer' do you think I was hoping for?


Actually, I didn't say that I thought you were hoping for another
answer.


Then why ask if was hopng for another answer? What were you alluding to?


From my experience on this ng so far, around 98% of those who ask me a
question are doing so hoping that I'll goof, or make a mistake of some
type that they can then use as a "gotcha" for further ridicule or
sarcasm. In this case, I had suspected that you were expecting that I
was blowing smoke, and that I really didn't have any specific,
substantive problems with the Mac 26x.

If I was wrong in this regard, and you really aren't trying to put me
down, please accept my apologies.

Jim

Jim

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

Well, duh... you don't???

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"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...


Scott Vernon wrote:

check the headers and then do a Google. Roger has posted here before.


And you really believe that Roger is posting these notes? Notes stating
that: real sailors know what a "CRAPPY, SHODDY PRODUCT WE PEDDLE."
That his customers have "NO CLUE WHATSOEVER ... AS TO HOW BAD OUR BOAT
REALLY IS." And telling everyone on the www that he paid a bribe to
Practical Sailor, and paid off the DEP and OSHA?

Scott, I happen to have a bridge for sale that you might be interested
in buying.

Jim


SV


"Jim Cate" wrote

Scott, you obviously don't get it. The point in this particular exchange
isn't whether the boat is suitable for blue water sailing, it's whether
the note purportedly posted by Roger MacGregor was a farce. (Which it
obviously was.)

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

Well, unlike you, he's an honest guy.

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"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...


wrote:
On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 17:48:11 -0500, Jim Cate wrote:



Scott Vernon wrote:


check the headers and then do a Google. Roger has posted here before.



Binary, think about this for a moment. This newsgroup can be read by
anyone in the United States with access to the internet. In fact, it
can be read by people around the world. - In England, France, Germany,
Italy, Japan, Russia, China, etc. Do you REALLY think that the "real"
Roger MacGregor is going to post comments criticizing his boats like
that on this newsgroup? Comments like:

real sailors know what a "CRAPPY, SHODDY PRODUCT WE PEDDLE." Our
customers have "NO CLUE WHATSOEVER ... AS TO HOW BAD OUR BOAT REALLY
IS." And telling everyone on the www that he paid a bribe to
Practical Sailor, and paid off the DEP and OSHA?

If so, I have several bridges up for sale.

Jim




And you really believe that Roger is posting these notes? Notes stating
that: real sailors know what a "CRAPPY, SHODDY PRODUCT WE PEDDLE."
That his customers have "NO CLUE WHATSOEVER ... AS TO HOW BAD OUR BOAT
REALLY IS." And telling everyone on the www that he paid a bribe to
Practical Sailor, and paid off the DEP and OSHA?

Scott, I happen to have a Mac26M for sale that you might be interested
in buying.

Jim

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

And, my last post was that IT IS MEANINGLESS since you clearly
know nothing about sailing. Primary evidence... purchasing a Mac,
MacBoy.

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"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...


Scott Vernon wrote:

"Jim Cate" wrote

The score of 98 was the score
on an IQ test.

Jim

Nope. my note stated:

"I recently took the ASA basic sailing course again as a review and
scored 98."

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

Wow. Two WHOLE DAYS! Yes folks, this is some expert!

You didn't ace the test. You missed 2% (assuming we believe
you, which we don't).

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"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...


Jonathan Ganz wrote:

Actually, I do understand, since you said you have an above average
IQ. Above average = 101. The 98% is meaningless, as an ASA or
other test has NO MEANING. What counts is sailing ability. If I
had been your instructor, I would have told you to pick another
hobby.


Wrong again, Johnny. The ASA course included two days of sailing, in
which our instructor tested us on sailing on all points of sail,
performing man-overboard-recoveries, docking, following the channels,
reading the markers, observing right-of-way rules with respect to other
boats of all kinds, knot tying, etc. While you may say that my score of
98 has no meaning, the test was very comprehensive. The results
indicate that I'm not a total novice, or a dumb-ass as you have
previously stated. If I were a total dumb-ass, I couldn't have aced the
test.

Jim

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

Busted flush?

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"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...


Jonathan Ganz wrote:

This isn't a discussion fool. This is a rout.

If so, why are you still sticking around"

Ignore the aesthetics, can it sail, and...WILL it be sailed?
 

MacGregor (snort) said:
Trust me, it works.

Yeah...their next boat is a Bayliner....

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and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

"Jim Cant" wrote

If I were a total dumb-ass, I would buy a Mac26Mx.


Jim

MacGregor 26M , ugly power boat or ugly sailboat, or neither?
 

Jimmy, you've got to understand, you're simply the 'flavor of the month'.
Eventually either you , or we or both will tire of kicking you and the POS
Mac26Mx around and move on to another subject/poster. For the time being,
you're the easiest target we have. Plus you're funny. Enjoy it while you
can.

SV, asa NG monitor.


"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...


Jonathan Ganz wrote:

This isn't a discussion fool. This is a rout.

If so, why are you still sticking around"

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 20:13:03 -0500, Jim Cate wrote:

In our area, the boat could be trailered to the Gulf coast in less than
an hour, or to various ports up and down the coast in two or three
hours. It means the difference between being essentially locked into
one sailing area for most of the year (It can get pretty monotonous) and
being able to go whereever we want to go, in one weekend. Despite your
pontification and sarcasm, the boat does substantially minimize the
"lack of time" factor.

I still don't understand why you didn't buy a motorboat and optionally
also a dinghy. IMO 'getting there' is an huge part of the fun...


Cheers!


Remco

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

Because he's dumber than a pigeon.

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"Remco Moedt" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 20:13:03 -0500, Jim Cate wrote:

In our area, the boat could be trailered to the Gulf coast in less than
an hour, or to various ports up and down the coast in two or three
hours. It means the difference between being essentially locked into
one sailing area for most of the year (It can get pretty monotonous) and
being able to go whereever we want to go, in one weekend. Despite your
pontification and sarcasm, the boat does substantially minimize the
"lack of time" factor.

I still don't understand why you didn't buy a motorboat and optionally
also a dinghy. IMO 'getting there' is an huge part of the fun...


Cheers!


Remco

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...
From my experience on this ng so far, around 98% of those who ask me a
question are doing so hoping that I'll goof, or make a mistake of some
type that they can then use as a "gotcha" for further ridicule or
sarcasm.

Ignore it.

Based on the answers that you gave me, I am sure that you will enjoy the
boat.

The opinions of strangers on Usenet doesn't matter one iota.

You will have great days on your new boat. After all, the greatest pleasure
in life is "being out on the water". The difference between a Mac26 and a
Swan is very small in this respect.


Congratulations on the purchase of your new boat!



Regards



Donal
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