MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

On Sat, 17 Apr 2004 08:11:31 -0700, "Jonathan Ganz"
wrote this crap:

I don't mean to speak for Scott, but what he's trying to tell you
is that you're stupid.


And when it comes to stupidity, Jon-boy, you're the expert.




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MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

"John Cairns" wrote in message
...
Opening the forward hatch in heavy seas is a no-no for the obvious
reasons.

BB

You better explain why this is, I don't think "jim" understands the concept
of waves and where they might end up.

This is one of those lessons that has to be learned the hard way. It seems so
easy to understand that forward hatches must be kept shut, but it only really
sinks in after you see 6 inches of water on top of the bunk you have to sleep in
that night.

Last summer we had serious green water all the way to the dodger for the first
time. Fortunately I anticipated it - we were exiting the Cape Cod Canal on a 5
knot current against a 20 knot breeze - and was able to convince my wife that
*all* hatches must be sealed. We rode up and over the first two big square
waves (about 5-6 footers) but dove through the 8 footer before being squirted
out into Cape Cod Bay. My wife was in the cabin below and freaked when she saw
6 inches of water over her head!

I've wondered how a mac would handle this. With a good hand on the wheel, it
should be able to blast through; but get twisted a bit in the first wave ...

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

It sounds like you don't know anything about IQ tests. 101 is "above
average," 98 means nothing, being reasonably satisfied is a euphemism
for not finding an excuse to fire you, it is for sure my opinion, I don't
speak for others, and you do have a problem MacBoy.

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"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...


Jonathan Ganz wrote:

When you have an iq as low as he does, I'm not astonished by this.


Interesting. From all the objective tests I've taken, my IQ is above
average. With respect to sailing know-how, I recently took the ASA basic
sailing course again as a review and scored 98. My supervisor and
professional colleagues seem to be reasonably satisfied with my work.
Sounds like it's only in your opinion, and that of a few of your
buddies, that I have a problem, John.

Jim

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

Wow. 20 people tell you you'll full of sh*t and you don't
believe them. Well, you've got a lot of undeserved self-esteem.

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Jonathan Ganz wrote:

That's right Horass! I don't know anyone named PC and
I've never heard of Practial Saior. Is the latter your boyfriend?

John, let someone else explain it to you.

I'm responding to some 20 irate, irrational asa contributors who are
obviously getting more and more stressed out as they realize that they
haven't been able to put me down or drive me away, and probably won't.
For obvious reasons, I sometimes don't have the time to check spelling
and grammar.

Your problem is understandable, John. - A Mac enthusiast still here and
still going strong after all those attacks! Think about it. - You are
being reduced to sputtering and snarling and posting more and more
childish, senseless, non substantive personal attacks and insults. Think
of how this makes you look to readers around the world! Do you have no
self respect whatsoever? (Have you considered getting professional help
John?)

By the way, it should be pointed out that there are others on the ng who
seem to be fairly rational, even human, and from whom I get helpful
information from time to time.

Jim

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

So, you admit that you lied?

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"Jim Cate" wrote in message
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Jonathan Ganz wrote:

Where did you state that you were the biggest idiot to
visit this ng since 1997?

In other words, you don't have a substantive response to my note. Is
that what you were trying to say, Johathan?

As sicsussed in detail elsewhere, I am a major enthusiast regarding
Valiant boats, for a number of reasons. They are a great blue water boat.

Jim

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

I defer to you on being an expert on stupidity.

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"Horvath" wrote in message
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On Sat, 17 Apr 2004 08:11:31 -0700, "Jonathan Ganz"
wrote this crap:

I don't mean to speak for Scott, but what he's trying to tell you
is that you're stupid.


And when it comes to stupidity, Jon-boy, you're the expert.




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MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

MacBoy,

Add to the discussion?? How could one possibly have a discussion
with an idiot... at least not for very long.

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"Jim Cate" wrote in message
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Jonathan Ganz wrote:

Actually, you're an idiot MacBoy.

What does that comment add to the discussion, Johnny? It only serves to
remind everyone that you are getting more and more stressed out, less
and less under control, and totally incapable adding anything of
substance to the discussion. You apparently have no self-respect
whatsoever.

Get a grip on yourself, John. (Also, have you thought further about my
suggestion that you could benefit from some professional help?)

Jim

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

Sure he does... he's always running away!

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"John Cairns" wrote in message
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wrote in message
...
On Sat, 17 Apr 2004 09:48:26 -0500, Jim Cate wrote:

26M has provides access to the jib through the hatch located near the
bow, in which you can stand or sit on the V-berth and reach the jib
through the hatch. It gives slightly better footing than trying to walk
forward topside.


Opening the forward hatch in heavy seas is a no-no for the obvious
reasons.

BB

You better explain why this is, I don't think "jim" understands the
concept
of waves and where they might end up.
John Cairns

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

"Horvath" wrote

I don't mean to speak for Scott, but what he's trying to tell you
is that you're stupid.


And when it comes to stupidity, Jon-boy, you're the expert.


so you are saying he's right.

good boy, horvy.

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

Reads more like a stupid bustard.

Cheers MC


OzOne wrote:

On Thu, 15 Apr 2004 19:45:13 -0500, Jim Cate
scribbled thusly:



Jonathan Ganz wrote:


I agree...

But have you sailed a Valiant 40, or any discplacement boat of similar
size, in 30-ft breaking waves Ganz? It does some pretty strange things.
And if it goes over, the 10,000-lb keel quickly pulls the boat to the
bottom of the ocean.

Jim


Bwaaahahahahahahahahahhahaaa!
Who is this turkey?


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

Scott Vernon wrote:

"Jim Cate" wrote


Whatever floats your boat, Scotty.


water


I prefer to sail a MacGregor,


You're not sane



get out on the water more frequently,


you'll love stepping and unstepping the mast, re-rigging & de-rigging,
launching, etc., etc., each time.

The plan is to leave the boat in a gated boat storage area that has
access to the water. The mast would be left up.



insurance, financing, bottom treatments, engine repairs, rigging

repairs, electronics, sail replacements, etc.



No insurance on your Mac?

About $400 per year. (What I meant was that I wouldn't be paying
insurance on the larger, charter boats.


No bottom paint?

Nope. Not needed if the boat is sitting on the trailor when not in the
water.

That 50 hp WILL need maitnance.

Right. About $200 per year?

No rigging, electronics, or sails on your macM?????

Yes, I'll have to keep up the sails, rigging, electronics, etc. But when
you have only 300 sq ft of sails, and light, simple rigging, it's more
manageable.




Ever hear about "BOTH AND" instead of "EITHER OR," Scotty?



No, ever heard about ''IF ONLY'' , jimmy?

SV

Yes, I think I have. You are saying: "IF ONLY I had bought a Mac 26M....."?


Jim

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

Jonathan Ganz wrote:

MacBoy,

Add to the discussion?? How could one possibly have a discussion
with an idiot... at least not for very long.

Really? Then why are you still here?

Jim

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

Scott Vernon wrote:

"Jim Cate" wrote

.The boat had a canoe stern which enhanced its speed and was a

safety factor in the event of large following seas.


jimmy, stick to one troll at a time, please.



For most sailors who work for a living, the Mac addresses the
issue of time, and the limited amount each of us has, far more
intelligently than the Valiant.



BwaaaaaHaahaha Oh yeah that was a good one!!!!!!!!!!

SV


I can understand why it may take you a while to get what I'm talking
about, Scott, but it's worth your time. - Time is one of the few things
that we can't add to, buy more, go back to correct what we did, etc.
We all have a limited amount of it, and no one knows how much he or she
has left. - That's why the MacGregor 26M is a great choice, unless you
happen to be independently wealthy, and can spend as much time as you
want on your boat. Or, unless you want to live aboard. As explained in
the previous notes, The Mac permits you to spend less time getting to a
variety of sailing or recreational areas, and more time in the good
sailing areas or good recreational areas. It also permits you to trailer
your boat to many more sailing destinations that are available to the
typical displacement boat owner. For example, you can trailer the boat
down to Florida and sail in warm weather for a week while others have
put their boats away for the winter. Or, you can take your boat up to
Maine, or Mass, in the summer, to sail in comfortable weather while
others are sweating down in the lower US. In Texas, for example, we can
motor the boat down to a number of different sailing areas along the
Gulf coast. Again, unless you have unlimited vacation time, you couldn't
take trips like this frequently, or on weekends, etc.

Jim

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

"Jim Cate" wrote
The plan is to leave the boat in a gated boat storage area that has
access to the water. The mast would be left up.
what's the cost for that?



No insurance on your Mac?

About $400 per year. (What I meant was that I wouldn't be paying
insurance on the larger, charter boats.


I pay $215 for my ins., but then my boat is safer than yours.




No bottom paint?

Nope. Not needed if the boat is sitting on the trailor 98% of the time.


Oh.



That 50 hp WILL need maitnance.

Right. About $200 per year?

what do you think I spend on a Yanmar diesel per year? Hint: it's less than
$200. You really didn't research this very much, did you?




No rigging, electronics, or sails on your macM?????

Yes, I'll have to keep up the sails, rigging, electronics, etc.


so you admit you were bull ****ting.




"IF ONLY I had bought a Mac 26M....then I could be the laughing stock of
the sailing world."

Jim

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

wrote:

On Sat, 17 Apr 2004 09:48:26 -0500, Jim Cate wrote:

Are you really going to crawl up to the bow offshore in a chop to swap jibs, or
even to set a storm anchor?

The furling jib would have to be taken down and replaced early, before
conditions were excessive. Regarding crawling up on the bow, the Mac
26M has provides access to the jib through the hatch located near the
bow, in which you can stand or sit on the V-berth and reach the jib
through the hatch. It gives slightly better footing than trying to walk
forward topside.



Opening the forward hatch in heavy seas is a no-no for the obvious reasons.

BB

Thanks for that helpful suggestion, Binary. However,I think I've made
it clear that I intend to be very conservative when going off-shore, to
reef early, and substantially, if there is any question of threatening
weather. This would also apply to putting out a storm anchor. ... As
stated above:

Obviously, this is a small boat, and it would be foolhardy to sail
out in blue water in potentially severe conditions without reefing
down early, motoring back early if unusually severe conditions were
anticipated, and putting a storm jib or storm anchor out early if
necessary.

Ultimately, however, if an emergency arose despite all of the above, I
would rather have some water in the V-berth than wallow around without a
sea anchor.

Jim

Jim

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

"Jim Cate" wrote

The Mac permits you to spend less time getting to a
variety of sailing or recreational areas, and more time in the good
sailing areas or good recreational areas.

you don't understand 'sailing'.

For example, you can trailer the boat
down to Florida

but that would take a lot of time!




Jimmy, a weekend warrior wannabe

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

Jeff Morris wrote:

"John Cairns" wrote in message
...

Opening the forward hatch in heavy seas is a no-no for the obvious

reasons.

BB

You better explain why this is, I don't think "jim" understands the concept
of waves and where they might end up.


This is one of those lessons that has to be learned the hard way. It seems so
easy to understand that forward hatches must be kept shut, but it only really
sinks in after you see 6 inches of water on top of the bunk you have to sleep in
that night.

Last summer we had serious green water all the way to the dodger for the first
time. Fortunately I anticipated it - we were exiting the Cape Cod Canal on a 5
knot current against a 20 knot breeze - and was able to convince my wife that
*all* hatches must be sealed. We rode up and over the first two big square
waves (about 5-6 footers) but dove through the 8 footer before being squirted
out into Cape Cod Bay. My wife was in the cabin below and freaked when she saw
6 inches of water over her head!

I've wondered how a mac would handle this. With a good hand on the wheel, it
should be able to blast through; but get twisted a bit in the first wave ...



If you consider that the Mac is much lighter, with much smaller sails,
it's likely that it may ride over some waves that your boat may try to
"bore through." Not in great comfort, admittedly.

Jim

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

Jonathan Ganz wrote:

Wow. 20 people tell you you'll full of sh*t and you don't
believe them. Well, you've got a lot of undeserved self-esteem.

If they could come up with subtantive responses to my notes instead of
posting childish, personal attacks like that one, I might pay more
attention to them.

Jim

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

Jonathan Ganz wrote:

It sounds like you don't know anything about IQ tests. 101 is "above
average," 98 means nothing, being reasonably satisfied is a euphemism
for not finding an excuse to fire you, it is for sure my opinion, I don't
speak for others, and you do have a problem MacBoy.


As usual, you don't get it, do you John? The score of 98 was the score
on the ASA basic sailing course, not an IQ test. It was 98 percent, or
128 questions correct out of 130. - - As a suggestion, John, you
probably ought to slow down and read the notes somewhat more carefully
before you spout off. It might help you to avoid making a fool of
yourself, as you just did, quite so frequently.

Jim

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

Wally wrote:

Jim Cate wrote:


... Or were you hoping to get another answer.


What sort of 'other answer' do you think I was hoping for?

Actually, I didn't say that I thought you were hoping for another answer.

Jim

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

"Jim Cate" wrote


The score of 98 was the score
on an IQ test.

Jim

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

Jeff Morris wrote:

"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...

I didn't like the swing keel and open keel chamber in the bottom of the
hull. - On the 26M, it has been replaced by a more narrow, dagger
board, providing better upwind performance (from everyone I have talked
with who has sailed the boat), and it be raised or lowered incrementally
to more closely match the current conditions. (The swing keel, if not
kept in the fully down position, would alter the center of resistance.)


Although I generally prefer the daggerboard, the ability to shift the CLF
(Center of Lateral Resistance) aft is very handy.

I understand that there are tradeoffs, and that moving the CLF might be
useful in some circumstances. From everyone I have spoken with who has
sailed her, that the dagger board permits the boat to do better upwind.
It also permits removing the cavity in which the swing keel nested,
reducing drag. And it can be extended partially or fully, as desired for
the particular point of sail.


I also didn't like the idea of relying totally on the water ballast. -
The 26M includes both water and permanent ballast, and provides more
versatility for motoring without the water ballast.


The permanent ballast was required because the V hull raised the Center of
Gravity too much.

I think that some permanent ballast is a safety factor in any such boat.

I also had problems with the hull shape, which was relatively flat
throughout the length of the boat for enhanced planing ability.


Meaning the new hull will not plane as easily.

Agreed. Despite what others have said, it's still primarily a sailboat,
not a power boat, though the new hull permits the boat to cut through
chop more smoothly. Again, there are tradeoffs in any design.


Jim

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

You should pay more attention to what people are telling
you. You're the childish asshole, going on and on about a
piece of junk boat and pie-in-the-sky adventures you'll
never take.

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"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...


Jonathan Ganz wrote:

Wow. 20 people tell you you'll full of sh*t and you don't
believe them. Well, you've got a lot of undeserved self-esteem.

If they could come up with subtantive responses to my notes instead of
posting childish, personal attacks like that one, I might pay more
attention to them.

Jim

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

You are so stupid that it's beyond belief.

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"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...


Jeff Morris wrote:

"John Cairns" wrote in message
...

Opening the forward hatch in heavy seas is a no-no for the obvious

reasons.

BB

You better explain why this is, I don't think "jim" understands the
concept
of waves and where they might end up.


This is one of those lessons that has to be learned the hard way. It
seems so
easy to understand that forward hatches must be kept shut, but it only
really
sinks in after you see 6 inches of water on top of the bunk you have to
sleep in
that night.

Last summer we had serious green water all the way to the dodger for the
first
time. Fortunately I anticipated it - we were exiting the Cape Cod Canal
on a 5
knot current against a 20 knot breeze - and was able to convince my wife
that
*all* hatches must be sealed. We rode up and over the first two big
square
waves (about 5-6 footers) but dove through the 8 footer before being
squirted
out into Cape Cod Bay. My wife was in the cabin below and freaked when
she saw
6 inches of water over her head!

I've wondered how a mac would handle this. With a good hand on the
wheel, it
should be able to blast through; but get twisted a bit in the first wave
....



If you consider that the Mac is much lighter, with much smaller sails,
it's likely that it may ride over some waves that your boat may try to
"bore through." Not in great comfort, admittedly.

Jim

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

What about "unexpected weather"???

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"Jim Cate" wrote in message
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wrote:

On Sat, 17 Apr 2004 09:48:26 -0500, Jim Cate wrote:

Are you really going to crawl up to the bow offshore in a chop to swap
jibs, or
even to set a storm anchor?

The furling jib would have to be taken down and replaced early, before
conditions were excessive. Regarding crawling up on the bow, the Mac
26M has provides access to the jib through the hatch located near the
bow, in which you can stand or sit on the V-berth and reach the jib
through the hatch. It gives slightly better footing than trying to walk
forward topside.



Opening the forward hatch in heavy seas is a no-no for the obvious
reasons.

BB

Thanks for that helpful suggestion, Binary. However,I think I've made
it clear that I intend to be very conservative when going off-shore, to
reef early, and substantially, if there is any question of threatening
weather. This would also apply to putting out a storm anchor. ... As
stated above:

Obviously, this is a small boat, and it would be foolhardy to sail
out in blue water in potentially severe conditions without reefing
down early, motoring back early if unusually severe conditions were
anticipated, and putting a storm jib or storm anchor out early if
necessary.

Ultimately, however, if an emergency arose despite all of the above, I
would rather have some water in the V-berth than wallow around without a
sea anchor.

Jim

Jim

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

This isn't a discussion fool. This is a rout.

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"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...


Jonathan Ganz wrote:

MacBoy,

Add to the discussion?? How could one possibly have a discussion
with an idiot... at least not for very long.

Really? Then why are you still here?

Jim

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

And you're primarily stupid.

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"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...
Agreed. Despite what others have said, it's still primarily a sailboat,
not a power boat, though the new hull permits the boat to cut through
chop more smoothly. Again, there are tradeoffs in any design.

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

Actually, I do understand, since you said you have an above average
IQ. Above average = 101. The 98% is meaningless, as an ASA or
other test has NO MEANING. What counts is sailing ability. If I
had been your instructor, I would have told you to pick another
hobby.

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"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...


Jonathan Ganz wrote:

It sounds like you don't know anything about IQ tests. 101 is "above
average," 98 means nothing, being reasonably satisfied is a euphemism
for not finding an excuse to fire you, it is for sure my opinion, I
don't
speak for others, and you do have a problem MacBoy.


As usual, you don't get it, do you John? The score of 98 was the score
on the ASA basic sailing course, not an IQ test. It was 98 percent, or
128 questions correct out of 130. - - As a suggestion, John, you
probably ought to slow down and read the notes somewhat more carefully
before you spout off. It might help you to avoid making a fool of
yourself, as you just did, quite so frequently.

Jim

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

Jim Cate wrote:

... Or were you hoping to get another answer.

What sort of 'other answer' do you think I was hoping for?

Actually, I didn't say that I thought you were hoping for another
answer.

Then why ask if was hopng for another answer? What were you alluding to?


--
Wally
www.artbywally.com
www.wally.myby.co.uk/music

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

Scott Vernon wrote:

check the headers and then do a Google. Roger has posted here before.


And you really believe that Roger is posting these notes? Notes stating
that: real sailors know what a "CRAPPY, SHODDY PRODUCT WE PEDDLE."
That his customers have "NO CLUE WHATSOEVER ... AS TO HOW BAD OUR BOAT
REALLY IS." And telling everyone on the www that he paid a bribe to
Practical Sailor, and paid off the DEP and OSHA?

Scott, I happen to have a bridge for sale that you might be interested
in buying.

Jim


SV


"Jim Cate" wrote

Scott, you obviously don't get it. The point in this particular exchange
isn't whether the boat is suitable for blue water sailing, it's whether
the note purportedly posted by Roger MacGregor was a farce. (Which it
obviously was.)

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...

If you consider that the Mac is much lighter, with much smaller sails,
it's likely that it may ride over some waves that your boat may try to
"bore through." Not in great comfort, admittedly.



You're missing the point, Jim. My boat is extremely light for its size -
lighter than the mac in some ways (50% more length, more than twice the beam,
but a weight of only 8800 lbs). Diving through waves is more a function of the
wave shape - in strong current against strong wind situations the wave length
gets compressed, the heights grow, and the wave face appears "vertical."
Inevitably, you surf down one and slam into the base of the next faster than you
can rise up over them. There is also risk to going over the top, since at best,
you will pound hard on the other side, but at worst, you can get twisted
sideways and roll over.

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

OzOne wrote in message ...
On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 17:34:02 -0500, Jim Cate
scribbled thusly:

And it can be extended partially or fully, as desired for
the particular point of sail.

There is a reason why centreboard yachts are required to have the
centreboard locked fully down when racing.....


Is that true? I though it only applied if it was a weighted board. It
certainly doesn't apply to dinks.

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

OzOne wrote in message ...
On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 19:00:37 -0400, "Jeff Morris"
scribbled thusly:
There is a reason why centreboard yachts are required to have the
centreboard locked fully down when racing.....

Is that true? I though it only applied if it was a weighted board. It
certainly doesn't apply to dinks.

Yep, true.
Never applied to dinghys though a couple of classes here insist to
their downwind performance detriment and same in up wind planing
conditions.

Not that it matters much to me, but here's the PHRF rules:

http://www.rmsail.org/PHRF%20Guidelines.pdf

PHRF Rules While Racing:
All PHRF members shall abide by the following rules while racing unless
specifically exempted in
the PHRF rating certificate.
.. Yachts must race as configured and documented on their rating certificate
while racing.
.. No part of the torso of skipper or crew shall be outboard of a vertical plane
extending upward
from the rail while racing. The torso shall be defined as the trunk of the human
body not
including the arms, legs, or head.
.. Water ballast boats shall be filled and sealed during racing. Any PHRF member
may request
that water ballast boats be inspected before and after racing to verify
compliance.
.. Boats with moveable keels, ballasted centerboards, swing keels and similar
types, keep said
keel/centerboard locked in the full down position at all times when racing.
.. Centerboard boats where the centerboard/keel provides no righting ballast may
raise
centerboard while racing.
.. An outboard motor may be removed from the transom while racing only if it is
not removed
from the yacht.
.. All interior equipment delivered standard from the manufacturer such as berth
cushions,
latrines, cabinetry, and holding tanks must remain onboard while racing.
Optional equipment
does not apply.

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

Jim Cate wrote:
.... However,I think I've made
it clear that I intend to be very conservative when going off-shore, to
reef early, and substantially, if there is any question of threatening
weather.

Unfortunately, neither "being conservative" nor reefing will help if
conditions are such that you're going to get solid water over the deck.
Just last week I was talking to a nice man who was bringing in a heavy
traditional cutter. He had been out in fairly common conditions, a
spring cold front, which kicked up waves big enough to roll over his
foredeck. One peeled open his fore hatch, which was a big surprise to
his fiancee sleeping in the V-berth.

A Mac 26M (having pretty much the same hull as the 26X) has enough
reserve bouyancy to survive such an incident... as long as the water
coming in didn't compromise the stability (water ballast and all that)...

Fresh Breezes- Doug King



Ultimately, however, if an emergency arose despite all of the above, I
would rather have some water in the V-berth than wallow around without a
sea anchor.

Jim

Jim

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

Scott Vernon wrote:
"Jim Cate" wrote

The plan is to leave the boat in a gated boat storage area that has
access to the water. The mast would be left up.

what's the cost for that?

$65 per month.


No insurance on your Mac?

About $400 per year. (What I meant was that I wouldn't be paying
insurance on the larger, charter boats.



I pay $215 for my ins., but then my boat is safer than yours.





No bottom paint?

Nope. Not needed if the boat is sitting on the trailor 98% of the time.



Oh.




That 50 hp WILL need maitnance.

Right. About $200 per year?


what do you think I spend on a Yanmar diesel per year? Hint: it's less than
$200. You really didn't research this very much, did you?




No rigging, electronics, or sails on your macM?????

Yes, I'll have to keep up the sails, rigging, electronics, etc.



so you admit you were bull ****ting.





"IF ONLY I had bought a Mac 26M....then I could be the laughing stock of

the sailing world."

Jim

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

Scott Vernon wrote:

"Jim Cate" wrote

The plan is to leave the boat in a gated boat storage area that has
access to the water. The mast would be left up.

what's the cost for that?

$65 per month




No insurance on your Mac?

About $400 per year. (What I meant was that I wouldn't be paying
insurance on the larger, charter boats.

Actually, the quote I had was $300. I was including some padding.


I pay $215 for my ins., but then my boat is safer than yours.





No bottom paint?

Nope. Not needed if the boat is sitting on the trailor 98% of the time.



Oh.




That 50 hp WILL need maitnance.

Right. About $200 per year?


what do you think I spend on a Yanmar diesel per year? Hint: it's less than
$200. You really didn't research this very much, did you?


Actually, my comment mentioning $200 was a question, not a statement. I
actually think it will be much less than that. Your diesel may not
have cost you much in the past few years, but sooner or later, you will
ahve to have an overhaul. You need to prorate the bigger costs into your
annual estimate.



No rigging, electronics, or sails on your macM?????

Yes, I'll have to keep up the sails, rigging, electronics, etc.



so you admit you were bull ****ting.


Nope. I never claimed that I wouldn't have maintenance costs, did I Scot? The point

is that I won't have to pay many of the costs paid by my freinds with large
boats kept in the marinas in this area.
thdon't ex[ect texongi


"IF ONLY I had bought a Mac 26M....then I could be the laughing stock of

the sailing world."

Jim


He who laughs last.......

Jim

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

Scott Vernon wrote:

"Jim Cate" wrote

The Mac permits you to spend less time getting to a
variety of sailing or recreational areas, and more time in the good
sailing areas or good recreational areas.


you don't understand 'sailing'.


For example, you can trailer the boat
down to Florida


but that would take a lot of time!


In our area, the boat could be trailered to the Gulf coast in less than
an hour, or to various ports up and down the coast in two or three
hours. It means the difference between being essentially locked into
one sailing area for most of the year (It can get pretty monotonous) and
being able to go whereever we want to go, in one weekend. Despite your
pontification and sarcasm, the boat does substantially minimize the
"lack of time" factor.

Jim

Jim

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

Jonathan Ganz wrote:

You are so stupid that it's beyond belief.

How can you possibly believe that, or post such a remark on this ng?
What, in particular, have I posted that would suggest that I'm stupid
beyond believe.

BE SPECIFIC FOR A CHANGE, ASSHOLE.

Jim

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

Jeff Morris wrote:

"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...

If you consider that the Mac is much lighter, with much smaller sails,
it's likely that it may ride over some waves that your boat may try to
"bore through." Not in great comfort, admittedly.




You're missing the point, Jim. My boat is extremely light for its size -
lighter than the mac in some ways (50% more length, more than twice the beam,
but a weight of only 8800 lbs). Diving through waves is more a function of the
wave shape - in strong current against strong wind situations the wave length
gets compressed, the heights grow, and the wave face appears "vertical."
Inevitably, you surf down one and slam into the base of the next faster than you
can rise up over them. There is also risk to going over the top, since at best,
you will pound hard on the other side, but at worst, you can get twisted
sideways and roll over.

OK. I didn't know what boat you had. Obviously, I'll want to respect
the limiations of the 26-foot boat.

Jim

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

ha ha, it's gonna take jimbo a long time before he realizes the mistake he
made. And then even longer for him to admit it to himself. He'll NEVER
admit it to us.

SV


wrote

Scott, I happen to have a Mac26M for sale that you might be interested
in buying.

Jim