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MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
Hey stupid, don't you know what I paid? Everybody else does.
Why should he know what you paid for your boat? Odd. RB |
MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
a new M at the AC Boat show (I didn't even know it wasn't called the 26X
anymore). It was a laughable excuse for a power or sailboat. You could tell this at the boat show? So, by this you mean that YOU think the Mac is a "good" sailboat and powerboat. Glad you think so. RB |
MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
and poor sailing boats. They are also expensive for what they are.
Yet they are the best selling sailboat in history. Gilligan's Island, CHIPS, Pet Rocks, Dr. Pepper, Jerry Springer, Kia and Paris Hilton are all big sellers too. Me thinks it's the same group of "buyers" for the Mac. RB |
MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
Alt.Sailing.Asa for some years now. It's up to you if you want to take any
of it seriously. Which you are 85% responsible for yourself. That's in the past. There are only a few trollers left in this NG now. I was not "warned by AOL" or contacted by them in any way. I just got stunningly bored with it all; the same insults day after day. It was enough already. RB |
MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
You see that funny little upside down hook looking thing at the end of my
sentence? That means it was a QUESTION, not a statement. SV "Bobsprit" wrote in message ... a new M at the AC Boat show (I didn't even know it wasn't called the 26X anymore). It was a laughable excuse for a power or sailboat. You could tell this at the boat show? So, by this you mean that YOU think the Mac is a "good" sailboat and powerboat. Glad you think so. RB |
MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
this is killing you, isn't it?
"Bobsprit" wrote in message ... sniff, sniff, smells like a troll.........better be careful bob. Sorry, Scotty. When it comes to the Siedlemann's, the "truth" may sound like a troll, but it sadly isn't. I'm glad you're happy with your boat. I still think you'd have done well to listen to the comments on the boat which pointed out that the line was poorly regarded. Maybe you have a "good one" and I certainly hope so. If you're seeking a larger version of your boat, contact me direct. The one on City Island has been sitting for years, unwanted. My J24 sailing friend, seeking a larger boat, inquired about it and EVERYONE at the club warned her away from Siedlemanns. They are not free or ultra cheap for no reason, Scotty. RB |
MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
this is killing you, isn't it?
???? RB |
MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
Are you getting the canvas from your friend who never showed up to
give me a quote? That guy was good for deals, but really unreliable time-wise. He offered me a complete dodger for 500 bucks, but then wasn't even sure he could get it to me before this spring! He's a good guy, but way overextended and a poor business man. Too bad because he does nice work. He made a dodger for catalina with SS frame, grab handles, zip out windows and even a built in cockpit light for 700 bucks. My ebay sales worked out to make a deal with a local canvas guy who does work for the City Island yards. I'm basically paying nothing for the dodger. I'll let you know how well it turns out. Let me know if you need a set of oars..I'll give you a nice 6 foot pair for 20 bucks! RB |
MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
So you're not going to be a dickhead anymore?
SV "Bobsprit" wrote in message ... Alt.Sailing.Asa for some years now. It's up to you if you want to take any of it seriously. Which you are 85% responsible for yourself. That's in the past. There are only a few trollers left in this NG now. I was not "warned by AOL" or contacted by them in any way. I just got stunningly bored with it all; the same insults day after day. It was enough already. RB |
MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
"Bobsprit" wrote Gilligan's Island, CHIPS, Pet Rocks, Dr. Pepper, Jerry Springer, Kia and Paris Hilton are all my favorites. RB |
MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
So you're not going to be a dickhead anymore?
As much as it will dissapoint some people here, the character of Bobsprit is retired. I'm married and soon to be a father. I have a deal set for a sailing book. There are only so many ways to kick a dead horse and I think I covered most of them. Need any oars, Scotty? 20 bucks to Alt.Sailing.Asa members. RB |
MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
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MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
Bobsprit wrote: You need to read the notes you respond to more carefully. What I said was: Jim, while this group can offer valid and often helpful advice, they soon tire of a subject and turn to school yard in-fighting. It's been the nature of Alt.Sailing.Asa for some years now. It's up to you if you want to take any of it seriously. The Mac line of power sailors is generally considered by MANY to be ugly, cheap and poor sailing boats. They are also expensive for what they are. I was aboard a new M at the AC Boat show (I didn't even know it wasn't called the 26X anymore). It was a laughable excuse for a power or sailboat. I was told it could do nearly 25 knots, though 3 foot chop would cut that by a 3rd. A 3rd? Such a loss of performance from moderate chop is indicative of design limits too steep for my blood. Few people, other than a Mac owner will encourage you to buy one. While it may be the "best" compromise between power and sail, the trade offs are downright offensive to sailors. If you have sailed good sailboats, I seriously think you'll be dissapointed in the Mac and regret buying one. Best of Luck, Robert B C&C 32, Alien NY Robert, In any event, my notes apparently provide some entertainment value to the group, since this seems to be one of the more active current discussion topics. I was aware of the general reputation of the Mac boats before posting my questions, but I was looking for information about the new model, that includes significant mods that may have resolved at least some of the limitations of previous models. Looking for some "logical" and "rational" advice. I appreciate your balanced and helpful comments. I'm aware that all boats, including the Mac, would entail compromises for my particular intended uses in the Galveston-Kemah environment. I'm not settled on a trailorable boat, and there are lots of used, larger boats available in our area. As mentioned previously, if I bought a fixed-keel boat I would plan to leave it with a local charter company to minimize the time spent in maintaining and checking on the boat. I wouldn't expect to get a positive cash flow from the rentals, but my CPA mentioned that there may be some tax benefits from such an arrangement. - It's largely a matter of minimizing marina fees and being able to leave the boat with someone who would keep an eye on it. I plan to meet with the charterer this week and then check out some of the used boats they might accept. Boats offered for sale in this area in the $20,000 - $30,000 price range include 30 to 33-foot: Catalinas, S-2s, (older) Pearsons, Cals, C&Cs, Siedlemanns, Hunters (nasty word - sorry), Columbias, Ericsons, and several others that I wasn't familiar with. These boats vary in age (1970 - 1985) and condition, but many of the ads claim that they have been carefully maintained and upgraded. For more money, there are some Tartans, O'Days, Sabres, Island Packets, etc. Although I would obviously need to check out the condition and equipment of the boats and obtain a survey if I were seriously considering one, do you have any suggestions as to what to look for in this price range and venue? Features that I think would be important a roller reefing and lines led aft; wheel steering (required by the charter company); adequate sail inventory in good condition; diesel engine in good condition; suitable electronics; clean interior and recent bottom treatment; through-hull valves, sump pumps, etc., in either new or good condition; no evidence of water in the bilge; fun, fast, and exciting to sail, etc. For the Houston weather, air conditioning would be nice, although few of the boats also have an on-board generator to power it at anchor. Also, what about one of the retractable-extendable keel boats, or the shoal draft boats, for our shallow bay waters? - Would this mess up the offshore sailing capabilities? I would appreciate knowing what you and others recommend looking for under these conditions and in this price range. Jim |
MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
sniff, sniff.......kinda funny how 'Jim' and 'Bob' use the same phrases and
misspell the same words. SV "Jim Cate" wrote in message ... Bobsprit wrote: You need to read the notes you respond to more carefully. What I said was: Jim, while this group can offer valid and often helpful advice, they soon tire of a subject and turn to school yard in-fighting. It's been the nature of Alt.Sailing.Asa for some years now. It's up to you if you want to take any of it seriously. The Mac line of power sailors is generally considered by MANY to be ugly, cheap and poor sailing boats. They are also expensive for what they are. I was aboard a new M at the AC Boat show (I didn't even know it wasn't called the 26X anymore). It was a laughable excuse for a power or sailboat. I was told it could do nearly 25 knots, though 3 foot chop would cut that by a 3rd. A 3rd? Such a loss of performance from moderate chop is indicative of design limits too steep for my blood. Few people, other than a Mac owner will encourage you to buy one. While it may be the "best" compromise between power and sail, the trade offs are downright offensive to sailors. If you have sailed good sailboats, I seriously think you'll be dissapointed in the Mac and regret buying one. Best of Luck, Robert B C&C 32, Alien NY Robert, In any event, my notes apparently provide some entertainment value to the group, since this seems to be one of the more active current discussion topics. I was aware of the general reputation of the Mac boats before posting my questions, but I was looking for information about the new model, that includes significant mods that may have resolved at least some of the limitations of previous models. Looking for some "logical" and "rational" advice. I appreciate your balanced and helpful comments. I'm aware that all boats, including the Mac, would entail compromises for my particular intended uses in the Galveston-Kemah environment. I'm not settled on a trailorable boat, and there are lots of used, larger boats available in our area. As mentioned previously, if I bought a fixed-keel boat I would plan to leave it with a local charter company to minimize the time spent in maintaining and checking on the boat. I wouldn't expect to get a positive cash flow from the rentals, but my CPA mentioned that there may be some tax benefits from such an arrangement. - It's largely a matter of minimizing marina fees and being able to leave the boat with someone who would keep an eye on it. I plan to meet with the charterer this week and then check out some of the used boats they might accept. Boats offered for sale in this area in the $20,000 - $30,000 price range include 30 to 33-foot: Catalinas, S-2s, (older) Pearsons, Cals, C&Cs, Siedlemanns, Hunters (nasty word - sorry), Columbias, Ericsons, and several others that I wasn't familiar with. These boats vary in age (1970 - 1985) and condition, but many of the ads claim that they have been carefully maintained and upgraded. For more money, there are some Tartans, O'Days, Sabres, Island Packets, etc. Although I would obviously need to check out the condition and equipment of the boats and obtain a survey if I were seriously considering one, do you have any suggestions as to what to look for in this price range and venue? Features that I think would be important a roller reefing and lines led aft; wheel steering (required by the charter company); adequate sail inventory in good condition; diesel engine in good condition; suitable electronics; clean interior and recent bottom treatment; through-hull valves, sump pumps, etc., in either new or good condition; no evidence of water in the bilge; fun, fast, and exciting to sail, etc. For the Houston weather, air conditioning would be nice, although few of the boats also have an on-board generator to power it at anchor. Also, what about one of the retractable-extendable keel boats, or the shoal draft boats, for our shallow bay waters? - Would this mess up the offshore sailing capabilities? I would appreciate knowing what you and others recommend looking for under these conditions and in this price range. Jim |
MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
I would appreciate knowing what you and others recommend looking for
under these conditions and in this price range. Jim, as you can see there are a LOT of used boats around. I tend to follow the idea that buying a reasonably respectable brand is a good idea. Without that you could end up stuck with her. My favorite used boats: Pearson, C&C, Tartan, bristol, Catalina and quite a few more makes, models and odd designs. You need to get aboard and see what "fits" and what pleases your eye first and foremost. Learn to read the numbers. Sail area/Disp. and PHRF ratings are a good initial inidcator for how a design will treat you under sail. Above all, take your time. There are always compromises, but you can shave them down. If financial limits have you looking at lesser boats, perhaps it's worth saving a bit longer. You never know when a magic deal will float along. My wife and I sold our Pearson 30 when we were married. We were going to wait 2 or 3 years and then buy a big boat. Then I had the chance to buy a C&C 32 for 16K. So, while waiting for the "big" boat plan, we still get to sail a nice boat. I think the watchword is patience. If you're in a hurry the wrong boat may find YOU! That's happened to at least 2 people in this group. RB |
MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
No, but a spell checker would have caught 'resonably'.
AND fix your word wrap! Scotty wrote in message ... On Tue, 2 Mar 2004 08:27:09 -0500, "Scott Vernon" wrote: Hey stupid, don't you know what I paid? Everybody else does. Do a Google, if you're capable. And while you're at it, learn how to use a spell check. Spell checkers, like the rest of the world, don't care enough about Siedelmannnn's to give a rats ass if you spell their name correctly. They aren't worth the bother. Owning one, you must know that without me having to tell you. What did you pay to buy your Siddelmunn? The answer is that you are STILL paying for it! BB Scotty wrote in message .. . On Mon, 1 Mar 2004 18:39:33 -0800, "Jonathan Ganz" wrote: I've forgotten... what kind of boat do you own? Do you think it'll go up in value? My boat model's average retail is slightly higher today than the original selling price... And don't worry about today's dollar versus 1986 dollars. During those years, I've taken equity in the form of use out of the boat that more than makes up for inflation. Nobody goes sailing to save money, anyway. What did Porta Scotty's Siedlemann go for new? What would it reasonably bring today. Don't forget to factor in that Scotty probably paid too much for it. What did your Cal20 go for new? What would it resonably sell for today? BB wrote in message .. . On Mon, 1 Mar 2004 20:52:45 -0500, "Scott Vernon" wrote: I see your math is no better than your English. You are right! $30k would probably get you at least 15 or more Sidelmanns in today's market. They sure aren't ever going to go UP in value. BB wrote in message .. . On 01 Mar 2004 23:15:48 GMT, (Bobsprit) wrote: But maybe $30K is a horrendous lot of money to you, Jax? It's a horendous amount for THAT boat. 30K can buy.... A J30 and a J24 Two Pearson 30s A C&C 30 late model A Catalina 30 late 80's A Bristol 29.5 And so on.... RB or an even dozen Sidelmanns! BB |
MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
Your logic eludes me.
wrote in message ... On Tue, 2 Mar 2004 08:25:22 -0500, "Scott Vernon" wrote: The new reformed & warned "Bobsprit" wrote Jim, while this group can offer valid and often helpful advice, they soon tire of a subject and turn to school yard in-fighting. It's been the nature of Alt.Sailing.Asa for some years now. It's up to you if you want to take any of it seriously. Which you are 85% responsible for yourself. The Mac line of power sailors is generally considered by MANY to be ugly, cheap and poor sailing boats. They are also expensive for what they are. Yet they are the best selling sailboat in history. Yes, and to you, McDonalds is the worlds best restaurant for the same reason. BB |
MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 08:14:52 -0600, Jim Cate wrote:
Bobsprit wrote: You need to read the notes you respond to more carefully. What I said was: Jim, while this group can offer valid and often helpful advice, they soon tire of a subject and turn to school yard in-fighting. It's been the nature of Alt.Sailing.Asa for some years now. It's up to you if you want to take any of it seriously. The Mac line of power sailors is generally considered by MANY to be ugly, cheap and poor sailing boats. They are also expensive for what they are. I was aboard a new M at the AC Boat show (I didn't even know it wasn't called the 26X anymore). It was a laughable excuse for a power or sailboat. I was told it could do nearly 25 knots, though 3 foot chop would cut that by a 3rd. A 3rd? Such a loss of performance from moderate chop is indicative of design limits too steep for my blood. Few people, other than a Mac owner will encourage you to buy one. While it may be the "best" compromise between power and sail, the trade offs are downright offensive to sailors. If you have sailed good sailboats, I seriously think you'll be dissapointed in the Mac and regret buying one. Best of Luck, Robert B C&C 32, Alien NY Robert, In any event, my notes apparently provide some entertainment value to the group, since this seems to be one of the more active current discussion topics. I was aware of the general reputation of the Mac boats before posting my questions, but I was looking for information about the new model, that includes significant mods that may have resolved at least some of the limitations of previous models. Looking for some "logical" and "rational" advice. I appreciate your balanced and helpful comments. I'm aware that all boats, including the Mac, would entail compromises for my particular intended uses in the Galveston-Kemah environment. I'm not settled on a trailorable boat, and there are lots of used, larger boats available in our area. As mentioned previously, if I bought a fixed-keel boat I would plan to leave it with a local charter company to minimize the time spent in maintaining and checking on the boat. I wouldn't expect to get a positive cash flow from the rentals, but my CPA mentioned that there may be some tax benefits from such an arrangement. - It's largely a matter of minimizing marina fees and being able to leave the boat with someone who would keep an eye on it. I plan to meet with the charterer this week and then check out some of the used boats they might accept. Boats offered for sale in this area in the $20,000 - $30,000 price range include 30 to 33-foot: Catalinas, S-2s, (older) Pearsons, Cals, C&Cs, Siedlemanns, Hunters (nasty word - sorry), Columbias, Ericsons, and several others that I wasn't familiar with. These boats vary in age (1970 - 1985) and condition, but many of the ads claim that they have been carefully maintained and upgraded. For more money, there are some Tartans, O'Days, Sabres, Island Packets, etc. Although I would obviously need to check out the condition and equipment of the boats and obtain a survey if I were seriously considering one, do you have any suggestions as to what to look for in this price range and venue? Features that I think would be important a roller reefing and lines led aft; wheel steering (required by the charter company); adequate sail inventory in good condition; diesel engine in good condition; suitable electronics; clean interior and recent bottom treatment; through-hull valves, sump pumps, etc., in either new or good condition; no evidence of water in the bilge; fun, fast, and exciting to sail, etc. For the Houston weather, air conditioning would be nice, although few of the boats also have an on-board generator to power it at anchor. Also, what about one of the retractable-extendable keel boats, or the shoal draft boats, for our shallow bay waters? - Would this mess up the offshore sailing capabilities? I would appreciate knowing what you and others recommend looking for under these conditions and in this price range. Jim Jim...I always cringe when I see people mention leaving their boat in a charter program. There really aren't any tax benefits these days. My experience is that there is a huge PITA factor, coupled with enormous wear and tear on the boat. Many charter companies will let just about any bozo take a boat out and your boat will certainly reflect that fact in broken, lost or stolen gear. If you are looking for a way to minimize expenses, perhaps you have a friend with whom you might start a boat partnership. While there are some pitfalls there, I would do that before I would ever leave a boat in charter, based on my experience. As to air conditioning, I agree that it is nice to have in Texas, but I don't think you need it when you are anchored out. I sail in North Texas and I am never hot out on the water, although it can be miserable at the dock. I do have a/c, but no genset. As long as a boat is properly ventilated and has a few fans, don't worry about the genset. Those are really only practical on much larger boats than you are thinking about anyway. My advice, use reason to narrow down your choices, based on where and how you will sail your boat. Then buy the boat that makes your heart skip a beat when you see her. The most dangerous words in sailing are "a lot of boat for the money." There should be plenty of boats that would meet your needs. Just start looking and studying. That is half the fun:) |
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Really, Scotty. So boring. Give it a rest.
RB |
SPAM ALERT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! was; MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
"Marc" wrote in message ... Two piece or solid? 6'? On 02 Mar 2004 13:56:39 GMT, (Bobsprit) wrote: Are you getting the canvas from your friend who never showed up to give me a quote? That guy was good for deals, but really unreliable time-wise. He offered me a complete dodger for 500 bucks, but then wasn't even sure he could get it to me before this spring! He's a good guy, but way overextended and a poor business man. Too bad because he does nice work. He made a dodger for catalina with SS frame, grab handles, zip out windows and even a built in cockpit light for 700 bucks. My ebay sales worked out to make a deal with a local canvas guy who does work for the City Island yards. I'm basically paying nothing for the dodger. I'll let you know how well it turns out. Let me know if you need a set of oars..I'll give you a nice 6 foot pair for 20 bucks! RB |
SPAM ALERT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
Spamming NG is frowned on, bob. You'd better hope Jon doesn't report you.
SV "Bobsprit" wrote Need any oars, Scotty? 20 bucks to Alt.Sailing.Asa members. RB |
MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
Jim Cate wrote in message ...
Translation of the below message: I bought a Mac, and I need someone to tell me it's OK. After reading the numerous responses to my note, I conclude that: (1) No one has sailed the new 26M extensively, and no one so far has any real experience with or knowledge about the 26M Model; and (2) This doesn't stop most responders from confidently and dogmatically telling me abpit all the shortcomings of the 26M (which they have never seen, much less sailed). In contrast, those I have talked with elsewhere who HAVE actually sailed and motered the boat are quite impressed with it. What seems to be overlooked repeatedly is that if I bought the Mac, I could still charter a number of larger vessels for offshore cruising. In discussions such as this, it seems to me that it's important to approach the issues logically and with balanced consideration of all the related issues. - So far, I see very little logic and lots of emotional ranting and raving and put-downs of someone some apparently percieved as as a convenient (novice) target. Nevertheless, I appreciate the helpful suggestions and comments of those who have some useful information for me to consider. Again, I can still charter some fine, heavy boats when going offshore. And one more time..... I can still charter a wide selection of heavy boats when going offshore. Jim Jim Cate wrote: I'm considering the new MacGregor 26M for use in the Galveston-Houston area and would like to get comments from anyone who has seen or sailed on the boat. Or, anyone else. For sailing and motoring in this area, the MacGregor seems to have some advantages. - I'm aware of the largely negative comments on this ng regarding the MacGregor line. However, for the intended use, e.g., sailing and motoring with small kids (grandchildren), fishing, and doing some limited coastal cruising, the Mac 26M has the advantage that it will motor to a desired destination at around 24 mph and can therefore get to a desired sail or fishing area, and return, much more quickly than a fixed keel boat. This tends to minimize the "are we home yet" issue with small kids and non-sail-type guests. Also, in view of the hundreds of square miles of shallow bay waters in our area, the boat's ability to anchor in 15 inches of water, or to beach at one of the islands, would be an obvious advantage. (The 40-foot Valiant, although a great boat under sail offshore, was limited to around 8-10 knots under motor or sail. So, it took us five hours to get from the Kemah marina to the gulf, and we had to be careful to keep a sharp watch on the depth finder.) OK, the comparison is admittedly somewhat ludicrous. For the uses anticipated, however, the Mac may be a practical and fun choice. Also, the new "M" model seems to include some substantive improvements. - It now has both lead and the removable water ballast, has a fin keel (which I'm assuming may help in pointing), and a structural keel housing extending vertically from the deck to the ballast area. The boat reportedly includes additional fiberglass layers and other structural and ergonomic improvements derived from their experience over the years. As to it's sailing abilities, there is a video on the Mac web site comparing the 26M and the 26X under sail, and the new model is clearly much faster. (Assuming they didn't stage the race or doctor the video.) With a large genoa, it looks like it might be a fast sailing boat; it can reportedly plane under sail. A further consideration is that, if I bought the MacGregor, I would still have the opportunity to charter a wide variety of heavier boats kept under charter in our area. Conversely, I couldn't purchase a conventional fixed-keel boat and also charter a boat similar to the Mac. (I'm not into motor boats, or staying out in the Texas sun for hours on a powered fishing boat.) A negative factor is that the new Mac is fairly expensive when fully equiped, comparable in price to many used 30 - 32-foot boats. Comments from anyone regarding the sailing and motoring characteristics of the new 26M would be appreciated. Jim |
MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
I bought a Mac, and I need someone to tell me it's OK.
Doesn't sound like he bought one yet. But like many people looking at them, he'd love to hear that it's a great compromise. RB |
MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
I conclude that: (1) No
one has sailed the new 26M extensively, good conclusion. Same thing is likely to happen to you as well should you buy one. |
MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
got stunningly
bored with it easy to happen. |
MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
Two piece or solid? 6'?
I've got 6 and 7 foot solid oars. I also have 4 foot paddles for canoe. Never been used. I may end up donating the paddles (I have a lot) since they don't cost much. I've sold about 15 pairs of oars so far, from 66 dollar down to 20.00. Let me know and I'll hold a pair for you. RB |
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SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM TOS violation!!!!!! "Bobsprit" wrote in message ... Two piece or solid? 6'? I've got 6 and 7 foot solid oars. I also have 4 foot paddles for canoe. Never been used. I may end up donating the paddles (I have a lot) since they don't cost much. I've sold about 15 pairs of oars so far, from 66 dollar down to 20.00. Let me know and I'll hold a pair for you. RB |
MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
The funny thing is, he came here to ask advice (more than once
actually), and is walking away thinking it's somebody else who's the dummy in this picture. That's why I made the comment. One day he's thanking people and the next he's POed. S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster" "No shirt, no skirt, full service" |
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TOS violation!!!!!! Bad news, Scott. It's not a TOS violation. RB |
MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
No thanks, I'll pass. I'm looking for 2 piece
On 02 Mar 2004 16:12:05 GMT, (Bobsprit) wrote: Two piece or solid? 6'? I've got 6 and 7 foot solid oars. I also have 4 foot paddles for canoe. Never been used. I may end up donating the paddles (I have a lot) since they don't cost much. I've sold about 15 pairs of oars so far, from 66 dollar down to 20.00. Let me know and I'll hold a pair for you. RB |
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I also have boxes of new battery operated nav lights with suction cup and clamp
bases, trailer taillight lens assemblies, bronze props, troller motor props and so on. If anyone needs the nav lights...6 bucks a pop. RB |
MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
"Marc" wrote No thanks, I'll pass. I'm looking for 2 piece ones that aren't stolen. |
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Well, there's one way to find out I suppose....
"Bobsprit" wrote in message ... SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM TOS violation!!!!!! Bad news, Scott. It's not a TOS violation. RB |
MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
So, you're claiming that they do increase in value using todays
dollars? Oh, and I thought you were the one so much above flaming people.. Guess not. Another liar has revealed himself. "Dave" wrote in message ... On Mon, 1 Mar 2004 19:25:55 -0800, "Jonathan Ganz" said: I kinda doubt that they've exceeded their original cost in today's dollars. "Bobsprit" wrote in message ... C&Cs have, in fact, risen in value since the company's new incarnation took flight. I kinda doubt that there are pigs on the moon too. And since it's Jonathan, I should probably say the point is that my statement above has as much to do with Bobsprit's claim as yours did. Dave S/V Good Fortune CS27 |
MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
I kinda doubt that there are pigs on the moon too.
And since it's Jonathan, I should probably say the point is that my statement above has as much to do with Bobsprit's claim as yours did. Dave, 5 years ago it was easy to get a C&C 32 for under 30K. They were often around for 25-28K. Check the average price now. Two sold on City Island for mid 30's last season. RB |
MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
Not talking about average retail. I'm talking about your boat.
As to the Cal 20, I don't know. I didn't buy it as a stepping stone. I put way more into it than I could ever recover by selling. I like sailing it, and when I decide to get another boat, I'll probably donate it. wrote in message ... On Mon, 1 Mar 2004 18:39:33 -0800, "Jonathan Ganz" wrote: I've forgotten... what kind of boat do you own? Do you think it'll go up in value? My boat model's average retail is slightly higher today than the original selling price... And don't worry about today's dollar versus 1986 dollars. During those years, I've taken equity in the form of use out of the boat that more than makes up for inflation. Nobody goes sailing to save money, anyway. What did Porta Scotty's Siedlemann go for new? What would it reasonably bring today. Don't forget to factor in that Scotty probably paid too much for it. What did your Cal20 go for new? What would it resonably sell for today? BB wrote in message .. . On Mon, 1 Mar 2004 20:52:45 -0500, "Scott Vernon" wrote: I see your math is no better than your English. You are right! $30k would probably get you at least 15 or more Sidelmanns in today's market. They sure aren't ever going to go UP in value. BB wrote in message .. . On 01 Mar 2004 23:15:48 GMT, (Bobsprit) wrote: But maybe $30K is a horrendous lot of money to you, Jax? It's a horendous amount for THAT boat. 30K can buy.... A J30 and a J24 Two Pearson 30s A C&C 30 late model A Catalina 30 late 80's A Bristol 29.5 And so on.... RB or an even dozen Sidelmanns! BB |
MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
No thanks, I'll pass. I'm looking for 2 piece
As I dig through the yard's storage rooms, I'll keep an eye out. RB |
MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
Being a "bargain basement boat" has nothing to do with being a minor
classic. It was originally intended to be a high quality, affordable boat. It still is after 40 years. "Bobsprit" wrote in message ... What did your Cal20 go for new? What would it resonably sell for today? The Cal20 is a bargain basement boat, but it's also a minor classic that deserves some respect, I think. It's value is well beyond it's cost and Cal was a good builder much of the time. RB |
MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
And, just look how Bobby feels *compelled* to answer every post.
Looks like he's going to be back to "normal" any day now. "Bobsprit" wrote in message ... You need to read the notes you respond to more carefully. What I said was: Jim, while this group can offer valid and often helpful advice, they soon tire of a subject and turn to school yard in-fighting. It's been the nature of Alt.Sailing.Asa for some years now. It's up to you if you want to take any of it seriously. The Mac line of power sailors is generally considered by MANY to be ugly, cheap and poor sailing boats. They are also expensive for what they are. I was aboard a new M at the AC Boat show (I didn't even know it wasn't called the 26X anymore). It was a laughable excuse for a power or sailboat. I was told it could do nearly 25 knots, though 3 foot chop would cut that by a 3rd. A 3rd? Such a loss of performance from moderate chop is indicative of design limits too steep for my blood. Few people, other than a Mac owner will encourage you to buy one. While it may be the "best" compromise between power and sail, the trade offs are downright offensive to sailors. If you have sailed good sailboats, I seriously think you'll be dissapointed in the Mac and regret buying one. Best of Luck, Robert B C&C 32, Alien NY |
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