(Thom Stewart) wrote in message ...
I Remembered. I went sailing today. Actually went yesterday evening and
came back today.

Cold!! Thank's goodness for the Pilothouse. Temp 41 Degrees. Wind damn
light. About 3 knots.

Doug, Thought a lot about you on the way back. BBQ'd Ribs on the way
back on the Heat Pal. Beautiful aroma sailing back. I was wondering if
you ever tried the Recipe?

So; "LET'S REMEMBER PEARL HARBOR!" And "DRINK TO THAT!"

Ole Thom


Hey Ol Thom,

I thought this was worth re-posting here for some of people here
might understand what our vets did for them. It's from a shipmate of
mine named Joe Dunlap. And is on the web-site usssamuelgompers.org

Here is what Joe wrote:

Each year I am hired to go to Washington, DC, with the eighth grade
class
from Clinton, WI, where I grew up, to videotape their trip. I greatly
enjoy
visiting our nation's capitol, and each year I take some special
memories
back with me. This fall's trip was especially memorable.

On the last night of our trip, we stopped at the Iwo Jima Memorial.
This
memorial is the largest bronze statue in the world and depicts one of
the
most famous photographs in history -- that of the six brave soldiers
raising
the American Flag at the top of a rocky hill on the island of Iwo
Jima,
Japan, during WW II.

Over one hundred students and chaperones piled off the buses and
headed
towards the memorial. I noticed a solitary figure at the base of the
statue,
and as I got closer he asked, "Where are you guys from?"

I told him that we were from Wisconsin. "Hey, I'm a cheesehead, too!
Come
gather around, Cheeseheads, and I will tell you a story."

(James Bradley just happened to be in Washington, DC, to speak at the
memorial the following day. He was there that night to say good night
to his
dad, who has since passed away. He was just about to leave when he saw
the
buses pull up. I videotaped him as he spoke to us, and received his
permission to share what he said from my videotape. It is one thing to
tour
the incredible monuments filled with history in Washington,D.C., but
it is
quite another to get the kind of insight we received that night.)

When all had gathered around, he reverently began to speak. (Here are
his
words that night.)

"My name is James Bradley and I'm from Antigo, Wisconsin. My dad is on
that
statue, and I just wrote a book called "Flags of Our Fathers" which is
#5 on
the New York Times Be st Seller list right now. It is the story of the
six
boys you see behind me.

"Six boys raised the flag. The first guy putting the pole in the
ground is
Harlon Block. Harlon was an all-state football player. He enlisted in
the
Marine Corps with all the senior members of his football team. They
were off
to play another type of game. A game called "War." But it didn't turn
out
to be a game. Harlon, at the age of 21, died with his intestines in
his
hands. I don't say that to gross you out, I say that because there are
generals who stand in front of this statue and talk about the glory of
war.
You guys need to know that most of the boys in Iwo Jima were 17, 18,
and 19
years old.

(He pointed to the statue) "You see this next guy? That's Rene Gagnon
from
New Hampshire. If you took Rene's helmet off at the moment this photo
was
taken and looked in the webbing of that helmet, you would find a
photograph
... a photograph of his girlfriend. Rene put that in there for
protection
because he was scared. He was 18 years old. Boys won the battle of
Iwo
Jima. Boys. Not old men.

"The next guy here, the third guy in this tableau, was Sergeant Mike
Strank.
Mike is my hero. He was the hero of all these guys. They called him
the "old
man" because he was so old.. He was already 24. When Mike would
motivate his
boys in training camp, he didn't say, 'Let's go kill some Japanese' or
'Let's die for our country.' He knew he was talking to little boys.
Instead
he would say, 'You do what I say, and I'll get you home to your
mothers.'

"The last guy on this side of the statue is Ira Hayes, a Pima Indian
from
Arizona. Ira Hayes walked off Iwo Jima. He went into the White House
with
my dad. President Truman told him, 'You're a hero.' He told reporters,
'How
can I feel like a hero when 250 of my buddies hit the island with me
and
only 27 of us walked off alive?' So you take your class at school,
250 of
you spending a year together having fun, doing everything together.
Then all
250 of you hit the beach, but only 27 of your classmates walk off
alive.
That was Ira Hayes. He had images of horror in his mind. Ira Hayes
died dead
drunk, face down at the age of 32 ... ten years after this picture was
taken.

"The next guy, going a round the statue, is Franklin Sousley from
Hilltop,
Kentucky. A fun-lovin' hillbilly boy. His best friend, who is now 70,
told
me, 'Yeah, you know, we took two cows up on the porch of the Hilltop
General
Store. Then we strung wire across the stairs so the cows couldn't get
down.
Then we fed them Epsom salts. Those cows crapped all night.' Yes, he
was a
fun-lovin' hillbilly boy. Franklin died on Iwo Jima at the age of 19.
When
the telegram came to tell his mother that he was dead, it went to the
Hilltop General Store. A barefoot boy ran that telegram up to his
mother's
farm. The neighbors could hear her scream all night and into the
morning.
The neighbors lived a quarter of a mile away.

"The next guy, as we continue to go around the statue, is my dad, John
Bradley from Antigo, Wisconsin, where I was raised. My dad lived until
1994,
but he would never give interviews. When Walter Cronkite's producers,
or
the New York Times would call, we were trained as little kids to say,
'No,
I'm sorry, sir, my dad's not here. He is in Canada fishing. No, there
is no
phone there, sir. No, we don't know when he is coming back.' My dad
never
fished or even went to Canada. Usually, he was sitting there right at
the
table eating his Campbell's soup. But we had to tell the press that he
was
out fishing. He didn't want to talk to the press.

"You see, my dad didn't see himself as a hero. Everyone thinks these
guys
are heroes, 'cause they are in a photo and a monument. My dad knew
better.
He was a medic. John Bradley from Wisconsin was a caregiver. In Iwo
Jima he
probably held over 200 boys as they died. And when boys died in Iwo
Jima,
they writhed and screamed in pain.

"When I was a little boy, my third grade teacher told me that my dad
was a
hero. When I went home and told my dad that, he looked at me and said,
'I
want you always to remember that the heroes of Iwo Jima are the guys
who did
not come back. Did NOT come back.'

"So that's the story about six nice young boys. Three died on Iwo
Jima, and
three came back as national heroes. Overall, 7,000 boys died on Iwo
Jima in
the worst battle in the history of the Marine Corps. My voice is
giving out,
so I will end here. Thank you for your time."

Suddenly, the monument wasn't just a big old piece of metal with a
flag
sticking out of the top. It came to life before our eyes with the
heartfelt
words of a son who did indeed have a father who was a hero. Maybe not
a
hero for the reasons most people would believe, but a hero
nonetheless.

We need to remember that God created this vast and glorious world for
us to
live in, freely, but also at great sacrifice. Let us never forget from
the
revolutionary War to the Gulf War and all the wars in-between that
sacrifice
was made for our freedom.

Remember to pray praises for this great country of ours and also pray
for
those still in murderous unrest around the world. STOP and thank God
for
being alive at someone else's sacrifice. God Bless.

REMINDER: Everyday that you can wake up and put the feet on the
ground, it's
going to be a great day.

UP YOUR OZZY ASS,

If it wasn't for those dead BOYS you Upside down, backward wise ass
mates would be servicing Jap masters and British would be speaking
German.

The Japs attacked us at Pearl Harbor, in the Pacific and the next day
our Army and Navy set sail. Where, why Europe to fight the Germans. The
English, Aussies, Kiwi were all trying to save "JOLLY OLD" We had to
fight a delaying war in the Pacific so that our real might could go to
Europe.

We lost a lot of young men (BOYS) to save a bunch of backing and
surrendering armies. We had to build our strength to fight a two front
war and save YOUR SORRY ASSES.

OZ, I asked this question before in this group. I'll ask it again;- Can
you, any of you Yank Haters, Name one offensive battle that was won by
the rest of the World's Army before the American got into the WW2? One
battle anywhere that was an attack on a AXIS POWER that took one foot of
territory from the AXIS without the Yanks involvement?

I Don't think you can. You people are great a knocking us. So, I'm
taking this opportunity to tell it as it was. Tell it to the smart asses
that want to forget what they COULDN'T" DO AND WE DID FOR THEM!!!

We can HONOR our heroes any damn well way we want to. WE EARNED IT, WE
PAID FOR IT, AND DAMNIT WE DIED FOR IT!!!

SO UP YOU'RE OZ. , In WW2 you were LOSERS and us YANKS made you WINNERS

AND: "I'LL DRINK TO THAT!!"

Damn that felt good,
Ole Thom

(Thom Stewart) wrote in message ...
UP YOUR OZZY ASS,

Hey Ole Thom,

I missed it. What did that piece of **** OZZY say?

You should re-post it so the rest of the world can see what a low
life , scumbag he is.

Joe
MSV RedCloud



If it wasn't for those dead BOYS you Upside down, backward wise ass
mates would be servicing Jap masters and British would be speaking
German.

The Japs attacked us at Pearl Harbor, in the Pacific and the next day
our Army and Navy set sail. Where, why Europe to fight the Germans. The
English, Aussies, Kiwi were all trying to save "JOLLY OLD" We had to
fight a delaying war in the Pacific so that our real might could go to
Europe.

We lost a lot of young men (BOYS) to save a bunch of backing and
surrendering armies. We had to build our strength to fight a two front
war and save YOUR SORRY ASSES.

OZ, I asked this question before in this group. I'll ask it again;- Can
you, any of you Yank Haters, Name one offensive battle that was won by
the rest of the World's Army before the American got into the WW2? One
battle anywhere that was an attack on a AXIS POWER that took one foot of
territory from the AXIS without the Yanks involvement?

I Don't think you can. You people are great a knocking us. So, I'm
taking this opportunity to tell it as it was. Tell it to the smart asses
that want to forget what they COULDN'T" DO AND WE DID FOR THEM!!!

We can HONOR our heroes any damn well way we want to. WE EARNED IT, WE
PAID FOR IT, AND DAMNIT WE DIED FOR IT!!!

SO UP YOU'RE OZ. , In WW2 you were LOSERS and us YANKS made you WINNERS

AND: "I'LL DRINK TO THAT!!"

Damn that felt good,
Ole Thom

Joe,

OZ replied to your story about Iwo Jama like he was talking about a
Hollywood Movie;

Quote OZ, "Damn, and he did it all in a monologue with flags waving in
the background."

I took exception to his belittling remark and reminded him of a few
facts that they have been trying to forget for a half a century.

They go on and on about knocking us "Yanks" our President, Our
government, our morals anything American. They want us to let them have
free shot at us but scream like hell when we remind them of a few fact
about themselves.

What is really sick is their silly replies.
Things like we sat on our hands until the Jap attack us. They don't want
to remember Pearl Harbor and they don't want us to either.
They can remember Their "Death March" but don't want to remember the
"Bataan Death March"

They really seem to think that it was our obligation to defend them,
when they couldn't or wouldn't do it for themselves

I've asked our critics to tell me what they done in WW2 for themselves
before we got in the War. They post about how they fought the Germans in
North Africa but they can't seem to understand that they let the German
get control of that whole area. They sure a hell don't remember the
Americans invading Casa Blanca and TOGETHER we drove the Hun back into
Europe.

They talk about Stalingrad but they seem to forget that we agreed, at
Pottsdam, with Stalin to open a second front to ease the pressure on the
Soviet (Normandy)

They (Our Critics) seem to resent us remembering TRUE history. They want
to remember History as they want it to be.
They can't except the fact that they were Losers in WW2 until America
became involved. They hadn't shown any, (Zero) offensive action until
the YANK took over.
Now, after the fact, they try to say we didn't get in the War until near
the End.
WE GOT IN AND ENDED THE DAMN WAR!!!

Now when we show our PRIDE it seems to bother them, Screw them (The
misguided Critics)

"REMEMBER PEARL HARBOR!!!"
we will always remember how they died for Liberty!!! We will alway
remember those American Grave all over the World that are there because
the World couldn't take care of itself;

"I'LL DRINK TO THAT!!!"
Ole Thom

This is Ole Fart,

You poor sad Aussy Cry Baby, I requested one victory won that gained
one single yard of Axis territory before you had the YANKS on your side.
I'm still waiting

You talk about embellishment on Joe's story. Holy ****, read those
diaries you sent me to read, they are nothing but embellishment about
defeats. Also, check the dates on those stories. For your information
the Yanks were involved in that victory in New Guinea

Your boys fought a hell of a fight there. They gave the Jap everything
they got from them and more. You have a Right to be proud of them but so
do we. We brought your forces relief

I also know your people welcomed our defeated Army with open arms and
let us lick our wounds under your care. I REMEMBER IT with pride for
your people. Without AUSSIE help and the foothold they gave us, I'm not
sure how we would have fought back. Fought back we did Island by Island
right to the Jap Homeland in an Offensive War. In the Islands, in Burma,
in China.

It was the Yanks that turned WW2 Allied Forces into an Offences Force.
That is the FACT. Everywhere but in the Soviet. The Russians turn
themselves into an offence unit. That is another story. It's called the
Cold WAR.

Ole Thom

"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
...
This is Ole Fart,
It was the Yanks that turned WW2 Allied Forces into an Offences Force.
That is the FACT. Everywhere but in the Soviet. The Russians turn
themselves into an offence unit. That is another story. It's called the
Cold WAR.

Rubbish! The Russians FOUGHT the Germans during WWII. The cold war
started after 1945.

The Russians sacrificed more lives that the USA when Russia and the USA were
allies!



Regards


Donal
--

Donal,
Can't you even read with with an open mind? I know they were on our side
when the USA joined the ALLIES

Now, Donal, where they Allies when Germany invaded Poland? Where they
Allies when they.invaded Finland? Why don't you tell the group when they
became Allies? Tell us the date so that you can remember.

I know they became an Ally before the USA got in the war. We lost a load
of Merchant Seaman delivering Lend Lease goods to them. They were
fighting the Germans with a lot of American Equipment while they moved
their manufacturing facilities East of the Ural Mountains, out of the
range of German bombers

If you remember I said Stalin wanted the second front at the meeting in
Potsdam (Normandy) was how I printed it

If you were paying any attention to what you were reading, rather than
hunting for an opening for "BAITING" you would have read I listed the
Cold War as another story. I've taken up enough time from the Group
already. It time to give up the floor
I'll save the beginning of the Cold War for another session.

I think you and "The Oz" and Peter and Nav have been blunted enough
about Europe's status during WW2. The "Wall", Eastern Europe and Free
Europe can be told later,
It Is a rather long story

Go crawl into the Pub and have a Stout for me

Ole Thom

"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
...
Now when we show our PRIDE it seems to bother them, Screw them (The
misguided Critics)


Thom, I don't think that your pride is what causes offence.

The offence is caused by your apparent contempt for the efforts, suffering,
and 40(?) million non-Americans.

You are correct to feel enormous pride in what you, and your country did.
You are wrong to belittle the contributions made other nations.


"REMEMBER PEARL HARBOR!!!"
we will always remember how they died for Liberty!!! We will alway
remember those American Grave all over the World

Good sentiment,

that are there because
the World couldn't take care of itself;

Bad sentiment!! This last part is pure conjecture, and very offensive.


Regards


Donal
--

Donal,

I have no contempt of anyone in WW2. I admire the Fighting Qualities of
the Aussie and Kiwi's. I have nothing but admiration for the Native
Population that also fought by our side. No one can challeng the Brit
Defense Nature. They just didn't know how to Win,

I can't say I liked the Japs or the Huns but By Christ, I admire them as
fighters.
My problem is with the Yank haters that think they have unlimited access
to throw any snide comment, think they will be accepted as true if they
aren't objected to

Donal, have you noticed how upset you guys get when their stupid comment
are challenged? I think I have every right to state my facts. Don't
accuse me of statements or feeling I don't have to make a point. Anti
Yank replies are very, very creative. If you don't like the facts that I
use, prove them wrong. Don't make up your own statements and say they
are mine so that you have something to argue about.

You Yank Baiter have gotten my blood up this time.

Remember Pearl Harbor, 12/7/1941!!! That was the Day that America got
into the war (WW2) and lead the Allies to Victory. After the War Victory
came the Truman Doctrine including the Marshall Plan to aid those
defeated countries a chance to repair their infrastructure so that they
could regain their place among the Nations of the World ( Done by the
America Tax Payer) Was in affect until we went to war in Korea under the
UN Banner.

If you hit the U.S. with Snide Comments, Boy make sure your own shirt is
clean because I'm ready to strike back

AND; "I'LL DRINK TO THAT!!"

By the way Donal, I'm still waiting for the battle that was the start of
the offense that lead to the defeat of the Axis that took place before
Dec 7, 1941. I do believe you, my friend were the first of the "Baiters"
I asked

Ole Thom