Not a very good movie, but the attacks scenes are technically impressive.
What
type of sound system are you using.

I should post it so you could attempt to knock it. Just let me say that home
theater is not as important to me as my audio system which resides in another
room.
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SAIL LOCO wrote:
What
type of sound system are you using.

I should post it so you could attempt to knock it. Just let me say that
home
theater is not as important to me as my audio system which resides in
another
room.

The Train Room?

Seahag

The Train Room?

Nah, the trains are in the basement.
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SAIL LOCO wrote:

The Train Room?

Nah, the trains are in the basement.

Get out! You don't have them around the tree?

Seahag

(Bobsprit) wrote in message ...
boob was rootin for the japs.


Jap: Racist term, usually disparaging : JAPANESE

I had to look it up. Very sad that someone like Scotty, who has quite a lot to
be thankful for, is still capable of such terms.

RB


Jap is a word for the sorry *******s that killed and tortured unarmed POW's.
Guess that wasent in you book to look up huh?

Joe

Get out! You don't have them around the tree?

I have a 0 gauge layout in the basement and I run G scale around the tree. G
scale is very quiet.
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(Thom Stewart) wrote in message ...
I Remembered. I went sailing today. Actually went yesterday evening and
came back today.

Cold!! Thank's goodness for the Pilothouse. Temp 41 Degrees. Wind damn
light. About 3 knots.

Doug, Thought a lot about you on the way back. BBQ'd Ribs on the way
back on the Heat Pal. Beautiful aroma sailing back. I was wondering if
you ever tried the Recipe?

So; "LET'S REMEMBER PEARL HARBOR!" And "DRINK TO THAT!"

Ole Thom


Hey Ol Thom,

I thought this was worth re-posting here for some of people here
might understand what our vets did for them. It's from a shipmate of
mine named Joe Dunlap. And is on the web-site usssamuelgompers.org

Here is what Joe wrote:

Each year I am hired to go to Washington, DC, with the eighth grade
class
from Clinton, WI, where I grew up, to videotape their trip. I greatly
enjoy
visiting our nation's capitol, and each year I take some special
memories
back with me. This fall's trip was especially memorable.

On the last night of our trip, we stopped at the Iwo Jima Memorial.
This
memorial is the largest bronze statue in the world and depicts one of
the
most famous photographs in history -- that of the six brave soldiers
raising
the American Flag at the top of a rocky hill on the island of Iwo
Jima,
Japan, during WW II.

Over one hundred students and chaperones piled off the buses and
headed
towards the memorial. I noticed a solitary figure at the base of the
statue,
and as I got closer he asked, "Where are you guys from?"

I told him that we were from Wisconsin. "Hey, I'm a cheesehead, too!
Come
gather around, Cheeseheads, and I will tell you a story."

(James Bradley just happened to be in Washington, DC, to speak at the
memorial the following day. He was there that night to say good night
to his
dad, who has since passed away. He was just about to leave when he saw
the
buses pull up. I videotaped him as he spoke to us, and received his
permission to share what he said from my videotape. It is one thing to
tour
the incredible monuments filled with history in Washington,D.C., but
it is
quite another to get the kind of insight we received that night.)

When all had gathered around, he reverently began to speak. (Here are
his
words that night.)

"My name is James Bradley and I'm from Antigo, Wisconsin. My dad is on
that
statue, and I just wrote a book called "Flags of Our Fathers" which is
#5 on
the New York Times Be st Seller list right now. It is the story of the
six
boys you see behind me.

"Six boys raised the flag. The first guy putting the pole in the
ground is
Harlon Block. Harlon was an all-state football player. He enlisted in
the
Marine Corps with all the senior members of his football team. They
were off
to play another type of game. A game called "War." But it didn't turn
out
to be a game. Harlon, at the age of 21, died with his intestines in
his
hands. I don't say that to gross you out, I say that because there are
generals who stand in front of this statue and talk about the glory of
war.
You guys need to know that most of the boys in Iwo Jima were 17, 18,
and 19
years old.

(He pointed to the statue) "You see this next guy? That's Rene Gagnon
from
New Hampshire. If you took Rene's helmet off at the moment this photo
was
taken and looked in the webbing of that helmet, you would find a
photograph
... a photograph of his girlfriend. Rene put that in there for
protection
because he was scared. He was 18 years old. Boys won the battle of
Iwo
Jima. Boys. Not old men.

"The next guy here, the third guy in this tableau, was Sergeant Mike
Strank.
Mike is my hero. He was the hero of all these guys. They called him
the "old
man" because he was so old.. He was already 24. When Mike would
motivate his
boys in training camp, he didn't say, 'Let's go kill some Japanese' or
'Let's die for our country.' He knew he was talking to little boys.
Instead
he would say, 'You do what I say, and I'll get you home to your
mothers.'

"The last guy on this side of the statue is Ira Hayes, a Pima Indian
from
Arizona. Ira Hayes walked off Iwo Jima. He went into the White House
with
my dad. President Truman told him, 'You're a hero.' He told reporters,
'How
can I feel like a hero when 250 of my buddies hit the island with me
and
only 27 of us walked off alive?' So you take your class at school,
250 of
you spending a year together having fun, doing everything together.
Then all
250 of you hit the beach, but only 27 of your classmates walk off
alive.
That was Ira Hayes. He had images of horror in his mind. Ira Hayes
died dead
drunk, face down at the age of 32 ... ten years after this picture was
taken.

"The next guy, going a round the statue, is Franklin Sousley from
Hilltop,
Kentucky. A fun-lovin' hillbilly boy. His best friend, who is now 70,
told
me, 'Yeah, you know, we took two cows up on the porch of the Hilltop
General
Store. Then we strung wire across the stairs so the cows couldn't get
down.
Then we fed them Epsom salts. Those cows crapped all night.' Yes, he
was a
fun-lovin' hillbilly boy. Franklin died on Iwo Jima at the age of 19.
When
the telegram came to tell his mother that he was dead, it went to the
Hilltop General Store. A barefoot boy ran that telegram up to his
mother's
farm. The neighbors could hear her scream all night and into the
morning.
The neighbors lived a quarter of a mile away.

"The next guy, as we continue to go around the statue, is my dad, John
Bradley from Antigo, Wisconsin, where I was raised. My dad lived until
1994,
but he would never give interviews. When Walter Cronkite's producers,
or
the New York Times would call, we were trained as little kids to say,
'No,
I'm sorry, sir, my dad's not here. He is in Canada fishing. No, there
is no
phone there, sir. No, we don't know when he is coming back.' My dad
never
fished or even went to Canada. Usually, he was sitting there right at
the
table eating his Campbell's soup. But we had to tell the press that he
was
out fishing. He didn't want to talk to the press.

"You see, my dad didn't see himself as a hero. Everyone thinks these
guys
are heroes, 'cause they are in a photo and a monument. My dad knew
better.
He was a medic. John Bradley from Wisconsin was a caregiver. In Iwo
Jima he
probably held over 200 boys as they died. And when boys died in Iwo
Jima,
they writhed and screamed in pain.

"When I was a little boy, my third grade teacher told me that my dad
was a
hero. When I went home and told my dad that, he looked at me and said,
'I
want you always to remember that the heroes of Iwo Jima are the guys
who did
not come back. Did NOT come back.'

"So that's the story about six nice young boys. Three died on Iwo
Jima, and
three came back as national heroes. Overall, 7,000 boys died on Iwo
Jima in
the worst battle in the history of the Marine Corps. My voice is
giving out,
so I will end here. Thank you for your time."

Suddenly, the monument wasn't just a big old piece of metal with a
flag
sticking out of the top. It came to life before our eyes with the
heartfelt
words of a son who did indeed have a father who was a hero. Maybe not
a
hero for the reasons most people would believe, but a hero
nonetheless.

We need to remember that God created this vast and glorious world for
us to
live in, freely, but also at great sacrifice. Let us never forget from
the
revolutionary War to the Gulf War and all the wars in-between that
sacrifice
was made for our freedom.

Remember to pray praises for this great country of ours and also pray
for
those still in murderous unrest around the world. STOP and thank God
for
being alive at someone else's sacrifice. God Bless.

REMINDER: Everyday that you can wake up and put the feet on the
ground, it's
going to be a great day.

UP YOUR OZZY ASS,

If it wasn't for those dead BOYS you Upside down, backward wise ass
mates would be servicing Jap masters and British would be speaking
German.

The Japs attacked us at Pearl Harbor, in the Pacific and the next day
our Army and Navy set sail. Where, why Europe to fight the Germans. The
English, Aussies, Kiwi were all trying to save "JOLLY OLD" We had to
fight a delaying war in the Pacific so that our real might could go to
Europe.

We lost a lot of young men (BOYS) to save a bunch of backing and
surrendering armies. We had to build our strength to fight a two front
war and save YOUR SORRY ASSES.

OZ, I asked this question before in this group. I'll ask it again;- Can
you, any of you Yank Haters, Name one offensive battle that was won by
the rest of the World's Army before the American got into the WW2? One
battle anywhere that was an attack on a AXIS POWER that took one foot of
territory from the AXIS without the Yanks involvement?

I Don't think you can. You people are great a knocking us. So, I'm
taking this opportunity to tell it as it was. Tell it to the smart asses
that want to forget what they COULDN'T" DO AND WE DID FOR THEM!!!

We can HONOR our heroes any damn well way we want to. WE EARNED IT, WE
PAID FOR IT, AND DAMNIT WE DIED FOR IT!!!

SO UP YOU'RE OZ. , In WW2 you were LOSERS and us YANKS made you WINNERS

AND: "I'LL DRINK TO THAT!!"

Damn that felt good,
Ole Thom

This is another occasion where I agree with you, Oz. I hate that.

Ole Thom, the rest of the world knows full well that the USA sat on its
hands while Europe got turned to trash. The only reason you guys
entered the war at all was because the Japanese were foolish enough to
attack you. If they hadn't, you'd have done nothing for years more,
maybe forever. The first bit's fact, the last is speculation based on
your behaviour at the time.

You guys lost people and lots of them. Most of your troops were
mediocre to OK but there were lots of them and they had a superb
logistical tail, which is what wins modern wars. The marines fighting
through the Pacific islands were superb combat troops.

However, you never had your people killed in things like the Sandakan
death march, Changi or a lot of other places. You sat all that stuff
out. We have long & bitter memories of WW2. The Japanese treated our
POW's atrociously. You guys let a lot of them off after the war was
over because the politics had changed.

We brought troops home from the Middle East to fight in the Pacific. We
were fighting the Axis powers in Africa while you guys were watching
from the sidelines and we fought them to a standstill with no help at
all from you. A lot of the countries down this way are still wary of us
because they know what we did and what we could do again if we decided
it was necessary. We had a lot of experience in jungle warfare while
you guys stayed home.

FYI, it's also a matter of historic record that the Japanese weren't
going to try to take Australia. They just wanted us out of Asia. We
stopped them in PNG with little/no help from you guys.

It's real easy, Thom, to claim that nobody won an offensive battle
without the USA. Real easy - considering you sat it out until the tide
had turned.

Peter Wiley

In article , Donny's
Dilemma wrote:

I'm getting horribly sick of you waving your flag and claiming the US
won the war single handed.
Take a look at the losses of ANZAC troops during the war in Europe and
the Pacific,,,,all from a nation with a population of less that 6
million at the time.
The Japs attacked us in Darwin and in Sydney...you have no clue old
man other than the patriotic bull**** you've been feeding on all your
life.

AFA delaying your entry into war, you delayed getting into Europe when
a quick decision would have ended it all that much faster before the
German army had a stranglehold
AND you delayed entry into the Pacific while thousands were killed by
Jap hands then, after you're directly attacked, decide that you might
have a war on your hands.

Go here and get an education

http://www.minerva.com.au/austwardia.../kokoda%20trai
l.htm
Have a look at the real story Thom.


What I was refering to that brought about your inane rant was that the
story as told appeared a little embelished to achieve a particular
aim....You swallowed it, Choke on it you sanctimonious old fart!


On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 19:29:01 -0800 (PST), (Thom
Stewart) wrote:

UP YOUR OZZY ASS,

If it wasn't for those dead BOYS you Upside down, backward wise ass
mates would be servicing Jap masters and British would be speaking
German.

The Japs attacked us at Pearl Harbor, in the Pacific and the next day
our Army and Navy set sail. Where, why Europe to fight the Germans. The
English, Aussies, Kiwi were all trying to save "JOLLY OLD" We had to
fight a delaying war in the Pacific so that our real might could go to
Europe.

We lost a lot of young men (BOYS) to save a bunch of backing and
surrendering armies. We had to build our strength to fight a two front
war and save YOUR SORRY ASSES.

OZ, I asked this question before in this group. I'll ask it again;- Can
you, any of you Yank Haters, Name one offensive battle that was won by
the rest of the World's Army before the American got into the WW2? One
battle anywhere that was an attack on a AXIS POWER that took one foot of
territory from the AXIS without the Yanks involvement?

I Don't think you can. You people are great a knocking us. So, I'm
taking this opportunity to tell it as it was. Tell it to the smart asses
that want to forget what they COULDN'T" DO AND WE DID FOR THEM!!!

We can HONOR our heroes any damn well way we want to. WE EARNED IT, WE
PAID FOR IT, AND DAMNIT WE DIED FOR IT!!!

SO UP YOU'RE OZ. , In WW2 you were LOSERS and us YANKS made you WINNERS

AND: "I'LL DRINK TO THAT!!"

Damn that felt good,
Ole Thom



Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

In article , Donny's
Dilemma wrote:

[snip]

OZ, I asked this question before in this group. I'll ask it again;- Can
you, any of you Yank Haters, Name one offensive battle that was won by
the rest of the World's Army before the American got into the WW2? One
battle anywhere that was an attack on a AXIS POWER that took one foot of
territory from the AXIS without the Yanks involvement?

Funny, the history books don't say anything about US troops outside
Stalingrad helping to keep the Germans out. Or the battles all the way
to Berlin.

Thom, your knowledge of history is appallingly biased. Stick to
sailing, you actually know what you're talking about there.

Peter Wiley