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"hk" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
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In my heart, I believe the anti-abortionists are that way because of
psychological, rather than religious reasons, anyway. It is a
patriarchal belief, even though some women share in it. It is a method
to control women.


Sure. Right. A method to control women......

It has absolutely nothing to do with the rights of the unborn child, does
it?

Eisboch


Ahh...the Fetus Rights Movement, a division of the Fundamentalist Borg
Church, no doubt.


You are truly unbelievable. On one hand you are for freedom of expression,
thought and to a degree, deed.
But on the other, all above is subject to your approval and beliefs. Those
that don't subscribe are lacking in intelligence,
rightwing religious nut cases, schitt heads or dumbfochs.

Do you have any idea of how narrow minded you are?

Eisboch

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On Aug 31, 11:02*pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
"hk" wrote in message

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Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
m...

In my heart, I believe the anti-abortionists are that way because of
psychological, rather than religious reasons, anyway. It is a
patriarchal belief, even though some women share in it. It is a method
to control women.

Sure. *Right. *A method to control women......

It has absolutely nothing to do with the rights of the unborn child, does
it?

Eisboch

Ahh...the Fetus Rights Movement, a division of the Fundamentalist Borg
Church, no doubt.

You are truly unbelievable. * On one hand you are for freedom of expression,
thought and to a degree, deed.
But on the other, all above is subject to your approval and beliefs. * Those
that don't subscribe are lacking in intelligence,
rightwing religious nut cases, schitt heads or dumbfochs.

Do you have any idea of how narrow minded you are?

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I really don't think they do. Just like most hard core liberal/
progressive (repressive) folks I know. Self centered, and intolerant
to anyone who does not subscribe, lock step. I guess when you are that
insecure, you don't like any opposition.. That's why they are so
against free speech.

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ohama bin laden wrote:

Perhaps the Obamessiah could stand on the levees and order the ocean
not to come in.

He Canute do that.

Dennis

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In article , raymond-
says...

"tankfixer" wrote in message
...
In article , raymond-
says...

wrote in message
...
On Aug 30, 12:30 am, "Raymond O'Hara"
wrote:
wrote in message

...

Before Katrina, the feds warned New Orleans (run by that Dem genius
Nagin) and the state of La (led by the corrupt and inept Dem.
Blanco)
to evacuate, they dithered until it was too late and people died.
Even worse, the levees were failing weeks before Katrina as revealed
by reports of salt water coming up from under where the levee
eventually failed. The city of NO run by Nagin did nothing at all.
It was actually fortunate that Katrina hit because there was a
partial
evac. The Levee was going to fail soon and it was blind luck it did
during Katrina and not some minor storm where they did not evacuate
and then the death toll would have been really high.
This time round, we have a competent Repub governor who will ride
Nagin to make sure things get done. Lets see what happs.

they had worked out a pan with the incompetent bush and his criminal
buddies
like "heckovajob" brownie but as the city was being destroyed he found
he
had a fund raiser that was more important than the port city that
services
the heartland of the country.
no mayor has the capability to evacuate any city.
and telling people with nowhere to go and no cars to get there is
rather
hopeless.
but nothing is ever georges fault is it.
he has gotten his way on everything and gotten everything he asked for
yet
things are totally screwed up and none of that is his fault.
yeah that's because he's done a "heckova job" too.

Ray, try reading.
Under the pre-Katrina hurricane plan, Nagin had authority,
responsibility AND the means (those flooded buses) to evacuate the
city. A year before Katrina He had attended a conference on this very
topic where he agreed on this. Safe evacuation areas had been pre-
decided. His failure to follow the plan that his office drew up is
criminal. In addition, the Gov of a state (at least in LA and FL) has
the authority to order such an evac. Blanco did not until she was
almost ordered to do so by Bush. Now Brownie was a bozo but that does
not excuse the criminal negligence by Nagin and Blanco.



no the feds had the responsibility.

You havn't a clue.


and 100 school buses that hold 40 people aren't going to evacuate a city
of
several hundred thousand.

Were there several hundred thousand needing evacuation that didn't have
thier own means to depart ?


close too it. that's why they were still there when the storm hit.
many urban dwellers don't own cars. heaven forbid NYC ever needs to be
evacuated. the non car owners there number in the millions.


I don't recall there being several hundred thousand being evacuated
after the fact.
And they didn't just disapear..

--
Meddle ye not in the Affairs of Dragons, for Thou art Crunchy and taste
Goode with Ketchup.

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In article , raymond-
says...

"tankfixer" wrote in message
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dying.

and telling people with nowhere to go and no cars to get there is rather
hopeless.
but nothing is ever georges fault is it.

If he had acted before being asked you would be howling how he excceed
his authority

straw man arguments is all you ever have.

PKB son.

The president does not have dictatorial powers, no matter what your
paranoid mind may think.


--
Meddle ye not in the Affairs of Dragons, for Thou art Crunchy and taste
Goode with Ketchup.

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In article , payer33859
@mypacks.net says...
CalifBill wrote:
"Raymond O'Hara" wrote in message
...
"CalifBill" wrote in message
m...
"Raymond O'Hara" wrote in message
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"CalifBill" wrote in message
m...
the Feds had no responsibility. They are prohibited from sending in
the troops until the state asks. They did not. Nagin did not ask, the
Gov did not ask. I was there the next year with Habitat Fro Humanity
in Slidell when the election was be contested. could not believe the
statements that Nagin was only mayor for 3 years, what could he do?
And they reelected him sad.

LIAR

Saturday, August 27
GOV. HALEY BARBOUR DECLARES STATE OF EMERGENCY IN MISSISSIPPI [Office of
the Governor]

5AM CDT - KATRINA UPGRADED TO CATEGORY 3 HURRICANE [CNN]

GOV. BLANCO ASKS BUSH TO DECLARE FEDERAL STATE OF EMERGENCY IN
LOUISIANA: "I have determined that this incident is of such severity and
magnitude that effective response is beyond the capabilities of the
State and affected local governments, and that supplementary Federal
assistance is necessary to save lives, protect property, public health,
and safety, or to lessen or avert the threat of a disaster." [Office of
the Governor]

http://thinkprogress.org/katrina-timeline/


I am not a liar, and you are stupid! Declaring an disaster does not
allow the Feds to send in troops. Find out about the law before you make
stupid statements. The Mississippi govenor asked for troop.

defore the hurricane season started the state and federal officials held a
meeting in which they worked out a plan should something like katrina
happen, when it did the governor requested it be implemented and the feds
failed to comply..

Hurricane Pam exercise
Hurricane Pam was a hypothetical hurricane used as a disaster scenario to
drive planning for a 13-parish area in Southeastern Louisiana, including
the city of New Orleans, in 2004.[8][9] Developed by the Federal Emergency
Management Agency, the Louisiana Office of Homeland Security, Emergency
Preparedness, the National Weather Service, and Innovative Emergency
Management, Inc., the mock hurricane scenario and its projected
consequences were the focal point of an eight-day exercise held at the
State Emergency Operations Center in Baton Rouge in July, 2004. Hurricane
Pam was a slow-moving Category 3 storm with sustained winds of 120 mph. It
brought with it up to 20 inches (510 mm) of rain to some parts of
southeastern Louisiana and caused levee-topping storm surge. The
consequence assessment for Hurricane Pam indicated that more than one
million people would be displaced and that 600,000 buildings would be
damaged, with some completely destroyed. The report on the simulation,
TIME reported, warned that transportation would be a major problem in any
storm situation paralleling the fictional "Hurricane Pam." [10]




And according to the law, The Federal Gov't could not send troops until
requested by the state. You are so antiBush. Probably a HarryBot, that you
would not admit anything the Government did right in the last 8 years.




Are you trying to say that the Bush Admin handled Katrina "right"?

NOBODY, handled the situation right.
Can't you see that ?

--
Meddle ye not in the Affairs of Dragons, for Thou art Crunchy and taste
Goode with Ketchup.

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"hk" wrote in message
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Fred J. McCall wrote:
hk wrote:

:Eisboch wrote:
: "hk" wrote in message :
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: : Ain't that the truth. It is amazing and disgusting how the far
right uses : religion. If there is a hell, they'll all burn in it for
hypocrisy's sake : alone.
: : Right beside the "pro-choicers" who condemn women for choosing not
to abort : a child with a handicap.
: :
:Pro-choicers do not force their beliefs on anti-abortionists, ...
:

Well, yeah, they do.

:
:... but :anti-abortionists want to force their beliefs on pro-choicers.
:

I know it's hard for folks like you, but let's try and look at this
from the other side and then form an analogy that will feel the same
to you as abortion does to them.

Suppose I believe I should be able to murder unwanted people pretty
much at will for any reason or for no reason at all other than that
they inconvenience me. You disagree and go on about the sanctity of
human life and how killing them is wrong and want laws to stop me. My
response is that very few of the two leggers are actually human, so
killing the others is no worse than cutting a fingernail.

So, wouldn't there be something wrong with you NOT wanting to 'force
your view' on me?

That's how they feel about abortion. For you it's an intellectual
question. For them it's a case of whether murder is acceptable.
Discussion of the issue as if it is just an intellectual question for
them, as well, is simply a waste of time and effort and pretending
that there is something 'wrong' because they don't view it the way you
do is merely specious.



Your supposition is silliness.
If the anti-abortionists were truly against killing human beings, they
would be opposed to capital punishment and war. But most aren't; they
pervert their religious texts to justify capital punishment and war.

In my heart, I believe the anti-abortionists are that way because of
psychological, rather than religious reasons, anyway. It is a patriarchal
belief, even though some women share in it. It is a method to control
women.





"republicans believe the right to life starts at conception and ends with
birth"
barney frank.

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On Sat, 30 Aug 2008 13:52:23 -0700, CalifBill wrote:


the Feds had no responsibility. They are prohibited from sending in the
troops until the state asks. They did not. Nagin did not ask, the Gov
did not ask. I was there the next year with Habitat Fro Humanity in
Slidell when the election was be contested. could not believe the
statements that Nagin was only mayor for 3 years, what could he do? And
they reelected him sad.

Something that has been overlooked in this discussion, 90% of Greater New
Orleans was successfully evacuated, over 1 million people. I can't
think of a more successful or complete evacuation in American history,
can you?

Could it have been better? Sure, but from my standpoint, besides the
inadequate levees, most of the problems were after the storm, not before
or during. It took far too long to get the needed resources into place.

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"hk" wrote in message
. ..
CalifBill wrote:
"Raymond O'Hara" wrote in message
...
"CalifBill" wrote in message
m...
"Raymond O'Hara" wrote in message
...
"CalifBill" wrote in message
m...
the Feds had no responsibility. They are prohibited from sending in
the troops until the state asks. They did not. Nagin did not ask,
the Gov did not ask. I was there the next year with Habitat Fro
Humanity in Slidell when the election was be contested. could not
believe the statements that Nagin was only mayor for 3 years, what
could he do? And they reelected him sad.

LIAR

Saturday, August 27
GOV. HALEY BARBOUR DECLARES STATE OF EMERGENCY IN MISSISSIPPI [Office
of the Governor]

5AM CDT - KATRINA UPGRADED TO CATEGORY 3 HURRICANE [CNN]

GOV. BLANCO ASKS BUSH TO DECLARE FEDERAL STATE OF EMERGENCY IN
LOUISIANA: "I have determined that this incident is of such severity
and magnitude that effective response is beyond the capabilities of
the State and affected local governments, and that supplementary
Federal assistance is necessary to save lives, protect property,
public health, and safety, or to lessen or avert the threat of a
disaster." [Office of the Governor]

http://thinkprogress.org/katrina-timeline/


I am not a liar, and you are stupid! Declaring an disaster does not
allow the Feds to send in troops. Find out about the law before you
make stupid statements. The Mississippi govenor asked for troop.

defore the hurricane season started the state and federal officials held
a meeting in which they worked out a plan should something like katrina
happen, when it did the governor requested it be implemented and the
feds failed to comply..

Hurricane Pam exercise
Hurricane Pam was a hypothetical hurricane used as a disaster scenario
to drive planning for a 13-parish area in Southeastern Louisiana,
including the city of New Orleans, in 2004.[8][9] Developed by the
Federal Emergency Management Agency, the Louisiana Office of Homeland
Security, Emergency Preparedness, the National Weather Service, and
Innovative Emergency Management, Inc., the mock hurricane scenario and
its projected consequences were the focal point of an eight-day exercise
held at the State Emergency Operations Center in Baton Rouge in July,
2004. Hurricane Pam was a slow-moving Category 3 storm with sustained
winds of 120 mph. It brought with it up to 20 inches (510 mm) of rain to
some parts of southeastern Louisiana and caused levee-topping storm
surge. The consequence assessment for Hurricane Pam indicated that more
than one million people would be displaced and that 600,000 buildings
would be damaged, with some completely destroyed. The report on the
simulation, TIME reported, warned that transportation would be a major
problem in any storm situation paralleling the fictional "Hurricane
Pam." [10]




And according to the law, The Federal Gov't could not send troops until
requested by the state. You are so antiBush. Probably a HarryBot, that
you would not admit anything the Government did right in the last 8
years.


Are you trying to say that the Bush Admin handled Katrina "right"?



Nope, they did not. Did the Louisiana people handle it right? They screwed
up even worse than the Feds. Would Clinton have screwed it up. Probably
the same as Bush. Is N.O. worth rebuilding? Probably not as they are
trying to do.

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On Sun, 31 Aug 2008 23:02:42 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


"hk" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
. ..


In my heart, I believe the anti-abortionists are that way because of
psychological, rather than religious reasons, anyway. It is a
patriarchal belief, even though some women share in it. It is a method
to control women.


Sure. Right. A method to control women......

It has absolutely nothing to do with the rights of the unborn child, does
it?

Eisboch


Ahh...the Fetus Rights Movement, a division of the Fundamentalist Borg
Church, no doubt.

You are truly unbelievable. On one hand you are for freedom of expression,
thought and to a degree, deed.
But on the other, all above is subject to your approval and beliefs. Those
that don't subscribe are lacking in intelligence,
rightwing religious nut cases, schitt heads or dumbfochs.

Do you have any idea of how narrow minded you are?

What Harry knows about anything can be written on the tip of a stick
pin using a railroad spike as a chisel and a twelve pound sledge
hammer as a striker.

In 72 point Gothic script.