Before Katrina, the feds warned New Orleans (run by that Dem genius
Nagin) and the state of La (led by the corrupt and inept Dem. Blanco)
to evacuate, they dithered until it was too late and people died.
Even worse, the levees were failing weeks before Katrina as revealed
by reports of salt water coming up from under where the levee
eventually failed. The city of NO run by Nagin did nothing at all.
It was actually fortunate that Katrina hit because there was a partial
evac. The Levee was going to fail soon and it was blind luck it did
during Katrina and not some minor storm where they did not evacuate
and then the death toll would have been really high.
This time round, we have a competent Repub governor who will ride
Nagin to make sure things get done. Lets see what happs.

ohara wrote:

Before Katrina, the feds warned New Orleans (run by that Dem genius
Nagin) and the state of La (led by the corrupt and inept Dem. Blanco)
to evacuate, they dithered until it was too late and people died.
Even worse, the levees were failing weeks before Katrina as revealed
by reports of salt water coming up from under where the levee
eventually failed. The city of NO run by Nagin did nothing at all.
It was actually fortunate that Katrina hit because there was a partial
evac. The Levee was going to fail soon and it was blind luck it did
during Katrina and not some minor storm where they did not evacuate
and then the death toll would have been really high.
This time round, we have a competent Repub governor who will ride
Nagin to make sure things get done.
Lets see what happs.

Evacuation said to be "very probable" tommorrow.

Q: Why hasn't New Orleans recovered from Katrina?
A: The Nagintropy is too high!

Dennis

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Before Katrina, the feds warned New Orleans (run by that Dem genius
Nagin) and the state of La (led by the corrupt and inept Dem. Blanco)
to evacuate, they dithered until it was too late and people died.
Even worse, the levees were failing weeks before Katrina as revealed
by reports of salt water coming up from under where the levee
eventually failed. The city of NO run by Nagin did nothing at all.
It was actually fortunate that Katrina hit because there was a partial
evac. The Levee was going to fail soon and it was blind luck it did
during Katrina and not some minor storm where they did not evacuate
and then the death toll would have been really high.
This time round, we have a competent Repub governor who will ride
Nagin to make sure things get done. Lets see what happs.


they had worked out a pan with the incompetent bush and his criminal buddies
like "heckovajob" brownie but as the city was being destroyed he found he
had a fund raiser that was more important than the port city that services
the heartland of the country.
no mayor has the capability to evacuate any city.
and telling people with nowhere to go and no cars to get there is rather
hopeless.
but nothing is ever georges fault is it.
he has gotten his way on everything and gotten everything he asked for yet
things are totally screwed up and none of that is his fault.
yeah that's because he's done a "heckova job" too.

On Aug 30, 12:30 am, "Raymond O'Hara"
wrote:
wrote in message

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Before Katrina, the feds warned New Orleans (run by that Dem genius
Nagin) and the state of La (led by the corrupt and inept Dem. Blanco)
to evacuate, they dithered until it was too late and people died.
Even worse, the levees were failing weeks before Katrina as revealed
by reports of salt water coming up from under where the levee
eventually failed. The city of NO run by Nagin did nothing at all.
It was actually fortunate that Katrina hit because there was a partial
evac. The Levee was going to fail soon and it was blind luck it did
during Katrina and not some minor storm where they did not evacuate
and then the death toll would have been really high.
This time round, we have a competent Repub governor who will ride
Nagin to make sure things get done. Lets see what happs.

they had worked out a pan with the incompetent bush and his criminal buddies
like "heckovajob" brownie but as the city was being destroyed he found he
had a fund raiser that was more important than the port city that services
the heartland of the country.
no mayor has the capability to evacuate any city.
and telling people with nowhere to go and no cars to get there is rather
hopeless.
but nothing is ever georges fault is it.
he has gotten his way on everything and gotten everything he asked for yet
things are totally screwed up and none of that is his fault.
yeah that's because he's done a "heckova job" too.

Ray, try reading.
Under the pre-Katrina hurricane plan, Nagin had authority,
responsibility AND the means (those flooded buses) to evacuate the
city. A year before Katrina He had attended a conference on this very
topic where he agreed on this. Safe evacuation areas had been pre-
decided. His failure to follow the plan that his office drew up is
criminal. In addition, the Gov of a state (at least in LA and FL) has
the authority to order such an evac. Blanco did not until she was
almost ordered to do so by Bush. Now Brownie was a bozo but that does
not excuse the criminal negligence by Nagin and Blanco.

Raymond O'Hara wrote:
wrote in message
...
Before Katrina, the feds warned New Orleans (run by that Dem genius
Nagin) and the state of La (led by the corrupt and inept Dem. Blanco)
to evacuate, they dithered until it was too late and people died.
Even worse, the levees were failing weeks before Katrina as revealed
by reports of salt water coming up from under where the levee
eventually failed. The city of NO run by Nagin did nothing at all.
It was actually fortunate that Katrina hit because there was a partial
evac. The Levee was going to fail soon and it was blind luck it did
during Katrina and not some minor storm where they did not evacuate
and then the death toll would have been really high.
This time round, we have a competent Repub governor who will ride
Nagin to make sure things get done. Lets see what happs.


they had worked out a pan with the incompetent bush and his criminal buddies
like "heckovajob" brownie but as the city was being destroyed he found he
had a fund raiser that was more important than the port city that services
the heartland of the country.
no mayor has the capability to evacuate any city.

The mayor has the authority to or order the city evacuated. The mayor
has the authority to ask the governor for assistance. The governor has
the authority to ask the president for assistance.

Nagin was incompetent then and is incompetent now.

and telling people with nowhere to go and no cars to get there is rather
hopeless.

Anyone now living in New Orleans who has not thought about how to
evacuate and where to evacuate to is an idiot.

but nothing is ever georges fault is it.
he has gotten his way on everything and gotten everything he asked for yet
things are totally screwed up and none of that is his fault.
yeah that's because he's done a "heckova job" too.

How about teaching some and accepting some personal responsibility.

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On Aug 30, 12:30 am, "Raymond O'Hara"
wrote:
wrote in message

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Before Katrina, the feds warned New Orleans (run by that Dem genius
Nagin) and the state of La (led by the corrupt and inept Dem. Blanco)
to evacuate, they dithered until it was too late and people died.
Even worse, the levees were failing weeks before Katrina as revealed
by reports of salt water coming up from under where the levee
eventually failed. The city of NO run by Nagin did nothing at all.
It was actually fortunate that Katrina hit because there was a partial
evac. The Levee was going to fail soon and it was blind luck it did
during Katrina and not some minor storm where they did not evacuate
and then the death toll would have been really high.
This time round, we have a competent Repub governor who will ride
Nagin to make sure things get done. Lets see what happs.

they had worked out a pan with the incompetent bush and his criminal
buddies
like "heckovajob" brownie but as the city was being destroyed he found he
had a fund raiser that was more important than the port city that
services
the heartland of the country.
no mayor has the capability to evacuate any city.
and telling people with nowhere to go and no cars to get there is rather
hopeless.
but nothing is ever georges fault is it.
he has gotten his way on everything and gotten everything he asked for
yet
things are totally screwed up and none of that is his fault.
yeah that's because he's done a "heckova job" too.

Ray, try reading.
Under the pre-Katrina hurricane plan, Nagin had authority,
responsibility AND the means (those flooded buses) to evacuate the
city. A year before Katrina He had attended a conference on this very
topic where he agreed on this. Safe evacuation areas had been pre-
decided. His failure to follow the plan that his office drew up is
criminal. In addition, the Gov of a state (at least in LA and FL) has
the authority to order such an evac. Blanco did not until she was
almost ordered to do so by Bush. Now Brownie was a bozo but that does
not excuse the criminal negligence by Nagin and Blanco.



no the feds had the responsibility.
and 100 school buses that hold 40 people aren't going to evacuate a city of
several hundred thousand.

nothing is ever the chimps fault is it.

Raymond O'Hara wrote:
wrote in message
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On Aug 30, 12:30 am, "Raymond O'Hara"
wrote:
wrote in message

...

Before Katrina, the feds warned New Orleans (run by that Dem genius
Nagin) and the state of La (led by the corrupt and inept Dem. Blanco)
to evacuate, they dithered until it was too late and people died.
Even worse, the levees were failing weeks before Katrina as revealed
by reports of salt water coming up from under where the levee
eventually failed. The city of NO run by Nagin did nothing at all.
It was actually fortunate that Katrina hit because there was a partial
evac. The Levee was going to fail soon and it was blind luck it did
during Katrina and not some minor storm where they did not evacuate
and then the death toll would have been really high.
This time round, we have a competent Repub governor who will ride
Nagin to make sure things get done. Lets see what happs.
they had worked out a pan with the incompetent bush and his criminal
buddies
like "heckovajob" brownie but as the city was being destroyed he found he
had a fund raiser that was more important than the port city that
services
the heartland of the country.
no mayor has the capability to evacuate any city.
and telling people with nowhere to go and no cars to get there is rather
hopeless.
but nothing is ever georges fault is it.
he has gotten his way on everything and gotten everything he asked for
yet
things are totally screwed up and none of that is his fault.
yeah that's because he's done a "heckova job" too.
Ray, try reading.
Under the pre-Katrina hurricane plan, Nagin had authority,
responsibility AND the means (those flooded buses) to evacuate the
city. A year before Katrina He had attended a conference on this very
topic where he agreed on this. Safe evacuation areas had been pre-
decided. His failure to follow the plan that his office drew up is
criminal. In addition, the Gov of a state (at least in LA and FL) has
the authority to order such an evac. Blanco did not until she was
almost ordered to do so by Bush. Now Brownie was a bozo but that does
not excuse the criminal negligence by Nagin and Blanco.



no the feds had the responsibility.
and 100 school buses that hold 40 people aren't going to evacuate a city of
several hundred thousand.

nothing is ever the chimps fault is it.




But...Bush had all of years of "executive experience," as a business
executive and governor, and, of course, all that "military experience."

What he didn't have and doesn't have is judgment. and neither does McCain.

"hk" wrote in message
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no the feds had the responsibility.
and 100 school buses that hold 40 people aren't going to evacuate a city
of several hundred thousand.

nothing is ever the chimps fault is it.




But...Bush had all of years of "executive experience," as a business
executive and governor, and, of course, all that "military experience."

What he didn't have and doesn't have is judgment. and neither does McCain.


That situation was totally screwed up from the beginning. Seems to me Bush
initially did what he was supposed to ..... make federal help available, but
the operational decisions were left up to local and state governments, as
they should have been. Bush earned the reputation of being too late to act
because the locals dragged their feet. If I recall correctly, Bush had to
*order* them to start an evacuation.

Eisboch

On Aug 30, 1:23 pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
"hk" wrote in message

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no the feds had the responsibility.
and 100 school buses that hold 40 people aren't going to evacuate a city
of several hundred thousand.

nothing is ever the chimps fault is it.

But...Bush had all of years of "executive experience," as a business
executive and governor, and, of course, all that "military experience."

What he didn't have and doesn't have is judgment. and neither does McCain.

That situation was totally screwed up from the beginning. Seems to me Bush
initially did what he was supposed to ..... make federal help available, but
the operational decisions were left up to local and state governments, as
they should have been. Bush earned the reputation of being too late to act
because the locals dragged their feet. If I recall correctly, Bush had to
*order* them to start an evacuation.

Eisboch

I read the Hurricane plans for NO and they called for the city to
order an evacuation, not the feds, Ray is simply wrong. Lets do the
math (a difficult thing for a Dem). 100 busses each carrying 60
people can carry 6000 people in one trip. 4 trips in one day would
give 24000 people. Pvt autos could take out another 100,000 people if
they had been ordered to evac when the Bush admin asked Blanco to do
so. Pvt bus lines could easily have carried another 25000 people.
Airlines could have carried another 25000 ppl. If the evac had been
done when their own plans called for it to be done, there would have
been no problem. Nagin and Blanco ignored their own plan. The feds
had no authority to order an evac, the authority was given to Nagin
and Blanco in the plan.

On Sat, 30 Aug 2008 13:23:02 -0400, Eisboch wrote:


That situation was totally screwed up from the beginning. Seems to me
Bush initially did what he was supposed to ..... make federal help
available, but the operational decisions were left up to local and state
governments, as they should have been. Bush earned the reputation of
being too late to act because the locals dragged their feet. If I
recall correctly, Bush had to *order* them to start an evacuation.

Eisboch

There were a few bright spots, the military, especially the Coast Guard.
They began pre-positioning resources several days ahead of the storm.
Of the 60,000 stranded by the storm, the Coast Guard rescued 33,500.