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Perhaps the Obamessiah could stand on the levees and order the ocean
not to come in.

Or at least hope.

Eisboch

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Eisboch wrote:
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the Feds had no responsibility. They are prohibited from sending in the
troops until the state asks. They did not. Nagin did not ask, the Gov
did not ask. I was there the next year with Habitat Fro Humanity in
Slidell when the election was be contested. could not believe the
statements that Nagin was only mayor for 3 years, what could he do? And
they reelected him sad.


I saw Nagin being interviewed today as they prepare for Gustav. He
basically blamed the residents for the Katrina disaster.
Wonder if he'll be re-elected again. Or does anybody down there care?
What a piece of work he is.

Eisboch




Bush was re-elected. Bush's screw-ups are far worse than Nagin's.

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On Sat, 30 Aug 2008 21:10:31 GMT, "La N"
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Anyway, I was impressed by the take-charge attitude of Lt. General Russel
Honoré when he was brought in.

Guy was something else wasn't he?

Cigar chomping former infantry commander.

Gotta love 'em. :)

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no the feds had the responsibility.
and 100 school buses that hold 40 people aren't going to evacuate a city
of several hundred thousand.

nothing is ever the chimps fault is it.




But...Bush had all of years of "executive experience," as a business
executive and governor, and, of course, all that "military experience."

What he didn't have and doesn't have is judgment. and neither does
McCain.


That situation was totally screwed up from the beginning. Seems to me
Bush initially did what he was supposed to ..... make federal help
available, but the operational decisions were left up to local and state
governments, as they should have been. Bush earned the reputation of
being too late to act because the locals dragged their feet. If I recall
correctly, Bush had to *order* them to start an evacuation.

Eisboch




bush was at a fund raiser in arizona.
he never ordered anything.
the city state and feds had worked out a plan.
the feds didn't do their part.

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Raymond O'Hara wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"hk" wrote in message
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no the feds had the responsibility.
and 100 school buses that hold 40 people aren't going to evacuate a city
of several hundred thousand.

nothing is ever the chimps fault is it.



But...Bush had all of years of "executive experience," as a business
executive and governor, and, of course, all that "military experience."

What he didn't have and doesn't have is judgment. and neither does
McCain.

That situation was totally screwed up from the beginning. Seems to me
Bush initially did what he was supposed to ..... make federal help
available, but the operational decisions were left up to local and state
governments, as they should have been. Bush earned the reputation of
being too late to act because the locals dragged their feet. If I recall
correctly, Bush had to *order* them to start an evacuation.

Eisboch




bush was at a fund raiser in arizona.
he never ordered anything.
the city state and feds had worked out a plan.
the feds didn't do their part.





Not just on this issue, but on every issue, the amount of
rationalization that you see to make excuses for the utter incompetent
of the Bush Administration is simply mind-boggling.

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"Raymond O'Hara" wrote in message
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That situation was totally screwed up from the beginning. Seems to me
Bush initially did what he was supposed to ..... make federal help
available, but the operational decisions were left up to local and state
governments, as they should have been. Bush earned the reputation of
being too late to act because the locals dragged their feet. If I
recall correctly, Bush had to *order* them to start an evacuation.

Eisboch




bush was at a fund raiser in arizona.
he never ordered anything.
the city state and feds had worked out a plan.
the feds didn't do their part.


Go on .... elaborate a bit .... I'd love to hear this version of the story
....

"bush was at a fund raiser in arizona?"

This wasn't an unexpected tornado. It was a freaking hurricane with plenty
of advance warnings ...

Eisboch

Eisboch

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On Aug 30, 1:23 pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
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no the feds had the responsibility.
and 100 school buses that hold 40 people aren't going to evacuate a
city
of several hundred thousand.

nothing is ever the chimps fault is it.

But...Bush had all of years of "executive experience," as a business
executive and governor, and, of course, all that "military experience."

What he didn't have and doesn't have is judgment. and neither does
McCain.

That situation was totally screwed up from the beginning. Seems to me
Bush
initially did what he was supposed to ..... make federal help available,
but
the operational decisions were left up to local and state governments, as
they should have been. Bush earned the reputation of being too late to
act
because the locals dragged their feet. If I recall correctly, Bush had
to
*order* them to start an evacuation.

Eisboch

I read the Hurricane plans for NO and they called for the city to
order an evacuation, not the feds, Ray is simply wrong. Lets do the
math (a difficult thing for a Dem). 100 busses each carrying 60
people can carry 6000 people in one trip. 4 trips in one day would
give 24000 people. Pvt autos could take out another 100,000 people if
they had been ordered to evac when the Bush admin asked Blanco to do
so. Pvt bus lines could easily have carried another 25000 people.
Airlines could have carried another 25000 ppl. If the evac had been
done when their own plans called for it to be done, there would have
been no problem. Nagin and Blanco ignored their own plan. The feds
had no authority to order an evac, the authority was given to Nagin
and Blanco in the plan.

do the math. and then you make up fake numbers.

At a news conference at 10:00 a.m. on August 28, shortly after Katrina was
upgraded to a Category 5 storm, New Orleans mayor Ray Nagin ordered the
first ever mandatory evacuation of the city, calling Katrina "a storm that
most of us have long feared."[25] The city government also established
several "refuges of last resort" for citizens who could not leave the city,
including the massive Louisiana Superdome, which sheltered approximately
26,000 people and provided them with food and water for several days as the
storm came ashore.[26]

Staff Writer."26,000 shelter at Superdome." Times-Picayune. August 28, 2005.
Retrieved on 2006-06-05.



"In a September 26, 2005 hearing, former FEMA chief Michael Brown testified
before a U.S. House subcommittee about FEMA's response. During that hearing,
Representative Stephen Buyer (R-IN) inquired as to why president Bush's
declaration of state of emergency of August 27 had not included the coastal
parishes of Orleans, Jefferson, and Plaquemines.[15] (In fact, the
declaration did not include any of Louisiana's coastal parishes, whereas the
coastal counties were included in the declarations for Mississippi[16] and
Alabama.[17]) Brown testified that this was because Louisiana Governor
Blanco had not included those parishes in her initial request for aid, a
decision that he found "shocking." After the hearing, though, Blanco
released a copy of her letter, which requested assistance for "all the
southeastern parishes including the New Orleans Metropolitan area and the
mid state Interstate I-49 corridor and northern parishes along the I-20
corridor that are accepting [evacuated citizens]."[18]



1.. ^ "[1]." Governor Blanco asks President to Declare an Emergency for
the State of Louisiana due to Hurricane Katrina. August 27, 2005. Retrieved
on 2007-09-01.

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Raymond O'Hara wrote:
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On Aug 30, 12:30 am, "Raymond O'Hara"
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Before Katrina, the feds warned New Orleans (run by that Dem genius
Nagin) and the state of La (led by the corrupt and inept Dem. Blanco)
to evacuate, they dithered until it was too late and people died.
Even worse, the levees were failing weeks before Katrina as revealed
by reports of salt water coming up from under where the levee
eventually failed. The city of NO run by Nagin did nothing at all.
It was actually fortunate that Katrina hit because there was a partial
evac. The Levee was going to fail soon and it was blind luck it did
during Katrina and not some minor storm where they did not evacuate
and then the death toll would have been really high.
This time round, we have a competent Repub governor who will ride
Nagin to make sure things get done. Lets see what happs.
they had worked out a pan with the incompetent bush and his criminal
buddies
like "heckovajob" brownie but as the city was being destroyed he found he
had a fund raiser that was more important than the port city that
services
the heartland of the country.
no mayor has the capability to evacuate any city.
and telling people with nowhere to go and no cars to get there is rather
hopeless.
but nothing is ever georges fault is it.
he has gotten his way on everything and gotten everything he asked for
yet
things are totally screwed up and none of that is his fault.
yeah that's because he's done a "heckova job" too.
Ray, try reading.
Under the pre-Katrina hurricane plan, Nagin had authority,
responsibility AND the means (those flooded buses) to evacuate the
city. A year before Katrina He had attended a conference on this very
topic where he agreed on this. Safe evacuation areas had been pre-
decided. His failure to follow the plan that his office drew up is
criminal. In addition, the Gov of a state (at least in LA and FL) has
the authority to order such an evac. Blanco did not until she was
almost ordered to do so by Bush. Now Brownie was a bozo but that does
not excuse the criminal negligence by Nagin and Blanco.



no the feds had the responsibility.
and 100 school buses that hold 40 people aren't going to evacuate a city of
several hundred thousand.

The feds had the responsibility for what? Do you even understand the
constitution of the country and the relationship between the states and
the federal government.

nothing is ever the chimps fault is it.

The remark above gives your views the weight of a feather.

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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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Perhaps the Obamessiah could stand on the levees and order the ocean
not to come in.

Or at least hope.

Eisboch


that still would be more than the chimpenfuhrer did.

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Raymond O'Hara wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"hk" wrote in message
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no the feds had the responsibility.
and 100 school buses that hold 40 people aren't going to evacuate a city
of several hundred thousand.

nothing is ever the chimps fault is it.



But...Bush had all of years of "executive experience," as a business
executive and governor, and, of course, all that "military experience."

What he didn't have and doesn't have is judgment. and neither does
McCain.

That situation was totally screwed up from the beginning. Seems to me
Bush initially did what he was supposed to ..... make federal help
available, but the operational decisions were left up to local and state
governments, as they should have been. Bush earned the reputation of
being too late to act because the locals dragged their feet. If I recall
correctly, Bush had to *order* them to start an evacuation.

Eisboch




bush was at a fund raiser in arizona.
he never ordered anything.
the city state and feds had worked out a plan.
the feds didn't do their part.

You have just dropped to the bottom of the idiot list.