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"hk" wrote in message . .. Eisboch wrote: "Raymond O'Hara" wrote in message ... "Eisboch" wrote in message ... wrote in message ... Perhaps the Obamessiah could stand on the levees and order the ocean not to come in. Or at least hope. Eisboch that still would be more than the chimpenfuhrer did. Hi Harry. Eisboch More than 70% of the country feels that Bush is a general foch-up. "Chimpenfuhrer" is not a term I've heard before, but it seems apt. Perhaps your view of the real world is clouded by the number of righties in here who feel compelled to defend Bush's every failure. I am *so* confused ....... Eisboch |
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:Raymond O'Hara wrote: : "Eisboch" wrote in message : ... : "hk" wrote in message : . .. : : no the feds had the responsibility. : and 100 school buses that hold 40 people aren't going to evacuate a city : of several hundred thousand. : : nothing is ever the chimps fault is it. : : : : But...Bush had all of years of "executive experience," as a business : executive and governor, and, of course, all that "military experience." : : What he didn't have and doesn't have is judgment. and neither does : McCain. : : That situation was totally screwed up from the beginning. Seems to me : Bush initially did what he was supposed to ..... make federal help : available, but the operational decisions were left up to local and state : governments, as they should have been. Bush earned the reputation of : being too late to act because the locals dragged their feet. If I recall : correctly, Bush had to *order* them to start an evacuation. : : Eisboch : : : : : bush was at a fund raiser in arizona. : he never ordered anything. : the city state and feds had worked out a plan. : the feds didn't do their part. : : :Not just on this issue, but on every issue, the amount of :rationalization that you see to make excuses for the utter incompetent :of the Bush Administration is simply mind-boggling. : You poor, stupid gits. Has it not sunk in over the past 8 years that when you suspend reason and try to blame Bush for everything that it merely invalidates any discussion of all the places bad decisions were actually made? I suggest you all need to go read the story of the boy who cried wolf... -- "You take the lies out of him, and he'll shrink to the size of your hat; you take the malice out of him, and he'll disappear." -- Mark Twain |
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On Aug 30, 7:58 pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
"hk" wrote in message . .. Eisboch wrote: "Raymond O'Hara" wrote in message ... "Eisboch" wrote in message ... wrote in message ... Perhaps the Obamessiah could stand on the levees and order the ocean not to come in. Or at least hope. Eisboch that still would be more than the chimpenfuhrer did. Hi Harry. Eisboch More than 70% of the country feels that Bush is a general foch-up. "Chimpenfuhrer" is not a term I've heard before, but it seems apt. Perhaps your view of the real world is clouded by the number of righties in here who feel compelled to defend Bush's every failure. I am *so* confused ....... Eisboch RAy: You evacuate BEFORE the storm, not after. Blanco and Nagin knew they were going to get a near hit as early as Aug 25 and did nothing. I was surprised that by Thursday they hadnt ordered anything to happen. They did absolutely nothing till Saturday thus wasting two days in which evac could have been done. THEY KNEW ON THURS THEY WERE GONNa GET HIT. This was in spite of an article in SCi AM the previous year detailing exactly what would happen in such a storm. Blanco could have asked for more NAt Guard troops before Sat and prepositioned them at the Dome and Con center but did not. They completely ignored their own hurricane plan. This exhibits the general inability of Dems to do any logical thinking, all appearance and nothing real, just what you'd expect from Hollywood. |
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On Sat, 30 Aug 2008 17:31:32 -0700, ohara5.0 wrote:
You evacuate BEFORE the storm, not after. Blanco and Nagin knew they were going to get a near hit as early as Aug 25 and did nothing. I was surprised that by Thursday they hadnt ordered anything to happen. They did absolutely nothing till Saturday thus wasting two days in which evac could have been done. THEY KNEW ON THURS THEY WERE GONNa GET HIT. This was in spite of an article in SCi AM the previous year detailing exactly what would happen in such a storm. Blanco could have asked for more NAt Guard troops before Sat and prepositioned them at the Dome and Con center but did not. They completely ignored their own hurricane plan. This exhibits the general inability of Dems to do any logical thinking, all appearance and nothing real, just what you'd expect from Hollywood. BS, here's a time-line, so you can get your story straight. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timelin...ricane_Katrina |
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wrote in message ... RAy: You evacuate BEFORE the storm, not after. Blanco and Nagin knew they were going to get a near hit as early as Aug 25 and did nothing. I was surprised that by Thursday they hadnt ordered anything to happen. They did absolutely nothing till Saturday thus wasting two days in which evac could have been done. THEY KNEW ON THURS THEY WERE GONNa GET HIT. This was in spite of an article in SCi AM the previous year detailing exactly what would happen in such a storm. Blanco could have asked for more NAt Guard troops before Sat and prepositioned them at the Dome and Con center but did not. They completely ignored their own hurricane plan. This exhibits the general inability of Dems to do any logical thinking, all appearance and nothing real, just what you'd expect from Hollywood. All this blaming is directed at the wrong people. It was the National Weather Service's fault, if you really want to call it a fault or cast blame. If you recall, Katrina didn't hit exactly where it was forecast to hit and, although the initial storm damage was bad, it wasn't catastrophic. It was the storm surge that took it's toll on the levies, causing them to let go that caused the major problems and that didn't happen right away. The storm track that caused this was not predicted by the National Weather Service. I suspect that was part of the reason for a delay in the evacuation decisions and also the decisions by many to stay there and ride out the storm. Eisboch |
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"Fred J. McCall" wrote in message ... hk wrote: :Raymond O'Hara wrote: : "Eisboch" wrote in message : ... : "hk" wrote in message : . .. : : no the feds had the responsibility. : and 100 school buses that hold 40 people aren't going to evacuate a city : of several hundred thousand. : : nothing is ever the chimps fault is it. : : : : But...Bush had all of years of "executive experience," as a business : executive and governor, and, of course, all that "military experience." : : What he didn't have and doesn't have is judgment. and neither does : McCain. : : That situation was totally screwed up from the beginning. Seems to me : Bush initially did what he was supposed to ..... make federal help : available, but the operational decisions were left up to local and state : governments, as they should have been. Bush earned the reputation of : being too late to act because the locals dragged their feet. If I recall : correctly, Bush had to *order* them to start an evacuation. : : Eisboch : : : : : bush was at a fund raiser in arizona. : he never ordered anything. : the city state and feds had worked out a plan. : the feds didn't do their part. : : :Not just on this issue, but on every issue, the amount of :rationalization that you see to make excuses for the utter incompetent :of the Bush Administration is simply mind-boggling. : You poor, stupid gits. Has it not sunk in over the past 8 years that when you suspend reason and try to blame Bush for everything that it merely invalidates any discussion of all the places bad decisions were actually made? I suggest you all need to go read the story of the boy who cried wolf... bush is responsible. they were warned about bin laden wanting to strike the U.S.A using airliners but it was ignoered http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/04/10/august6.memo/ he was warned N.O. was under the gun but instead went to a fund raiser and photo ops in arizona and cali http://thinkprogress.org/katrina-timeline/ the yellowcake saddam9/11 connection was disproved before we invaded. so exactly what isn't his fault. |
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On Aug 30, 8:56*pm, "Raymond O'Hara"
wrote: "Fred J. McCall" wrote in messagenews:u9pjb49h3r7fdabqhrm56oai4es6tfcrs3@4ax .com... hk wrote: :Raymond O'Hara wrote: : "Eisboch" wrote in message om... : "hk" wrote in message om... : : no the feds had the responsibility. : and 100 school buses that hold 40 people aren't going to evacuate a city : of several hundred thousand. : : nothing is ever the chimps fault is it. : : : : But...Bush had all of years of "executive experience," as a business : executive and governor, and, of course, all that "military experience." : : What he didn't have and doesn't have is judgment. and neither does : McCain. : : That situation was totally screwed up from the beginning. *Seems to me : Bush initially did what he was supposed to ..... make federal help : available, but the operational decisions were left up to local and state : governments, as they should have been. * Bush earned the reputation of : being too late to act because the locals dragged their feet. * If I recall : correctly, Bush had to *order* them to start an evacuation. : : Eisboch : : : : : bush was at a fund raiser in arizona. : he never ordered anything. : the city state and feds had worked out a plan. : the feds didn't do their part. : : :Not just on this issue, but on every issue, the amount of :rationalization that you see to make excuses for the utter incompetent :of the Bush Administration is simply mind-boggling. : You poor, stupid gits. *Has it not sunk in over the past 8 years that when you suspend reason and try to blame Bush for everything that it merely invalidates any discussion of all the places bad decisions were actually made? I suggest you all need to go read the story of the boy who cried wolf... *bush is responsible. they were warned about bin laden wanting to strike the U.S.A using airliners but it was ignoeredhttp://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/04/10/august6.memo/ he was warned N.O. was under the gun but instead went to a fund raiser and photo ops in arizona and calihttp://thinkprogress.org/katrina-timeline/ the yellowcake saddam9/11 connection was disproved before we invaded. so exactly what isn't his fault.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - What about the hundreds of scientists and trucks that dissappeared into Lebanon in the 6 weeks or so while France and Russia stalled us going in? What about the known fact that Iraq was putting all of their facilities on wheels in the ten years between wars? It's always been a catch 22 for Bush. I think a lot of folks in congress know exactly where the stuff is but knowing Bush can't say anything makes it easy for the Dems to use that against him... |
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On Aug 30, 9:23 pm, wrote:
On Aug 30, 8:56 pm, "Raymond O'Hara" wrote: "Fred J. McCall" wrote in messagenews:u9pjb49h3r7fdabqhrm56oai4es6tfcrs3@4ax .com... hk wrote: :Raymond O'Hara wrote: : "Eisboch" wrote in message om... : "hk" wrote in message om... : : no the feds had the responsibility. : and 100 school buses that hold 40 people aren't going to evacuate a city : of several hundred thousand. : : nothing is ever the chimps fault is it. : : : : But...Bush had all of years of "executive experience," as a business : executive and governor, and, of course, all that "military experience." : : What he didn't have and doesn't have is judgment. and neither does : McCain. : : That situation was totally screwed up from the beginning. Seems to me : Bush initially did what he was supposed to ..... make federal help : available, but the operational decisions were left up to local and state : governments, as they should have been. Bush earned the reputation of : being too late to act because the locals dragged their feet. If I recall : correctly, Bush had to *order* them to start an evacuation. : : Eisboch : : : : : bush was at a fund raiser in arizona. : he never ordered anything. : the city state and feds had worked out a plan. : the feds didn't do their part. : : :Not just on this issue, but on every issue, the amount of :rationalization that you see to make excuses for the utter incompetent :of the Bush Administration is simply mind-boggling. : You poor, stupid gits. Has it not sunk in over the past 8 years that when you suspend reason and try to blame Bush for everything that it merely invalidates any discussion of all the places bad decisions were actually made? I suggest you all need to go read the story of the boy who cried wolf... bush is responsible. they were warned about bin laden wanting to strike the U.S.A using airliners but it was ignoeredhttp://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/04/10/august6.memo/ he was warned N.O. was under the gun but instead went to a fund raiser and photo ops in arizona and calihttp://thinkprogress.org/katrina-timeline/ the yellowcake saddam9/11 connection was disproved before we invaded. so exactly what isn't his fault.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - What about the hundreds of scientists and trucks that dissappeared into Lebanon in the 6 weeks or so while France and Russia stalled us going in? What about the known fact that Iraq was putting all of their facilities on wheels in the ten years between wars? It's always been a catch 22 for Bush. I think a lot of folks in congress know exactly where the stuff is but knowing Bush can't say anything makes it easy for the Dems to use that against him... Read the timeline yourself, they didnt call for an evac until less than 24 hours before landfall and landfall is always well after storm surge. Basically they didnt order mandatory evac until less than 20 hours prior to max surge. Their own plan called for at least 36 hour evac. BY early Thur, the predicted path had it hitting near NO with predictions of strengthing after getting into the warm gulf. Even with uncertainty in the path, they had the prev years Sci Am article predicting that a hurricane hitting NO would be the next major natural Disaster. In 2005, predictions had gotten very good and the Gulf is warm enough in Aug that such storms always strengthen. Not following their own plan was criminal. IF they had followed their own plan, those people in the hospitals would have lived because they would have been evaced first. Nagin and Blanco did not order an evac until Sat because they thought they could avoid losing revenue from ppl who would stay until Fri afternoon at conventions. EVEN WORSE, the levee had been failing MONTHS before Katrina with residents reporting salt water seeping under it but local authorities who are supposed to maintain it did nothing. Basically, they got lucky that they had a partial evac instead of having it fail in a smaller storm (with no evac) as it ultimately would have done. I know the Katrina Timeline very well. |
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"tankfixer" wrote in message . .. dying. and telling people with nowhere to go and no cars to get there is rather hopeless. but nothing is ever georges fault is it. If he had acted before being asked you would be howling how he excceed his authority straw man arguments is all you ever have. |
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