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Before Katrina, the feds warned New Orleans (run by that Dem genius
Nagin) and the state of La (led by the corrupt and inept Dem. Blanco) to evacuate, they dithered until it was too late and people died. Even worse, the levees were failing weeks before Katrina as revealed by reports of salt water coming up from under where the levee eventually failed. The city of NO run by Nagin did nothing at all. It was actually fortunate that Katrina hit because there was a partial evac. The Levee was going to fail soon and it was blind luck it did during Katrina and not some minor storm where they did not evacuate and then the death toll would have been really high. This time round, we have a competent Repub governor who will ride Nagin to make sure things get done. Lets see what happs. |
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Before Katrina, the feds warned New Orleans (run by that Dem genius Nagin) and the state of La (led by the corrupt and inept Dem. Blanco) to evacuate, they dithered until it was too late and people died. Even worse, the levees were failing weeks before Katrina as revealed by reports of salt water coming up from under where the levee eventually failed. The city of NO run by Nagin did nothing at all. It was actually fortunate that Katrina hit because there was a partial evac. The Levee was going to fail soon and it was blind luck it did during Katrina and not some minor storm where they did not evacuate and then the death toll would have been really high. This time round, we have a competent Repub governor who will ride Nagin to make sure things get done. Lets see what happs. Evacuation said to be "very probable" tommorrow. Q: Why hasn't New Orleans recovered from Katrina? A: The Nagintropy is too high! Dennis |
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wrote in message ... Before Katrina, the feds warned New Orleans (run by that Dem genius Nagin) and the state of La (led by the corrupt and inept Dem. Blanco) to evacuate, they dithered until it was too late and people died. Even worse, the levees were failing weeks before Katrina as revealed by reports of salt water coming up from under where the levee eventually failed. The city of NO run by Nagin did nothing at all. It was actually fortunate that Katrina hit because there was a partial evac. The Levee was going to fail soon and it was blind luck it did during Katrina and not some minor storm where they did not evacuate and then the death toll would have been really high. This time round, we have a competent Repub governor who will ride Nagin to make sure things get done. Lets see what happs. they had worked out a pan with the incompetent bush and his criminal buddies like "heckovajob" brownie but as the city was being destroyed he found he had a fund raiser that was more important than the port city that services the heartland of the country. no mayor has the capability to evacuate any city. and telling people with nowhere to go and no cars to get there is rather hopeless. but nothing is ever georges fault is it. he has gotten his way on everything and gotten everything he asked for yet things are totally screwed up and none of that is his fault. yeah that's because he's done a "heckova job" too. |
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On Aug 30, 12:30 am, "Raymond O'Hara"
wrote: wrote in message ... Before Katrina, the feds warned New Orleans (run by that Dem genius Nagin) and the state of La (led by the corrupt and inept Dem. Blanco) to evacuate, they dithered until it was too late and people died. Even worse, the levees were failing weeks before Katrina as revealed by reports of salt water coming up from under where the levee eventually failed. The city of NO run by Nagin did nothing at all. It was actually fortunate that Katrina hit because there was a partial evac. The Levee was going to fail soon and it was blind luck it did during Katrina and not some minor storm where they did not evacuate and then the death toll would have been really high. This time round, we have a competent Repub governor who will ride Nagin to make sure things get done. Lets see what happs. they had worked out a pan with the incompetent bush and his criminal buddies like "heckovajob" brownie but as the city was being destroyed he found he had a fund raiser that was more important than the port city that services the heartland of the country. no mayor has the capability to evacuate any city. and telling people with nowhere to go and no cars to get there is rather hopeless. but nothing is ever georges fault is it. he has gotten his way on everything and gotten everything he asked for yet things are totally screwed up and none of that is his fault. yeah that's because he's done a "heckova job" too. Ray, try reading. Under the pre-Katrina hurricane plan, Nagin had authority, responsibility AND the means (those flooded buses) to evacuate the city. A year before Katrina He had attended a conference on this very topic where he agreed on this. Safe evacuation areas had been pre- decided. His failure to follow the plan that his office drew up is criminal. In addition, the Gov of a state (at least in LA and FL) has the authority to order such an evac. Blanco did not until she was almost ordered to do so by Bush. Now Brownie was a bozo but that does not excuse the criminal negligence by Nagin and Blanco. |
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Raymond O'Hara wrote:
wrote in message ... Before Katrina, the feds warned New Orleans (run by that Dem genius Nagin) and the state of La (led by the corrupt and inept Dem. Blanco) to evacuate, they dithered until it was too late and people died. Even worse, the levees were failing weeks before Katrina as revealed by reports of salt water coming up from under where the levee eventually failed. The city of NO run by Nagin did nothing at all. It was actually fortunate that Katrina hit because there was a partial evac. The Levee was going to fail soon and it was blind luck it did during Katrina and not some minor storm where they did not evacuate and then the death toll would have been really high. This time round, we have a competent Repub governor who will ride Nagin to make sure things get done. Lets see what happs. they had worked out a pan with the incompetent bush and his criminal buddies like "heckovajob" brownie but as the city was being destroyed he found he had a fund raiser that was more important than the port city that services the heartland of the country. no mayor has the capability to evacuate any city. The mayor has the authority to or order the city evacuated. The mayor has the authority to ask the governor for assistance. The governor has the authority to ask the president for assistance. Nagin was incompetent then and is incompetent now. and telling people with nowhere to go and no cars to get there is rather hopeless. Anyone now living in New Orleans who has not thought about how to evacuate and where to evacuate to is an idiot. but nothing is ever georges fault is it. he has gotten his way on everything and gotten everything he asked for yet things are totally screwed up and none of that is his fault. yeah that's because he's done a "heckova job" too. How about teaching some and accepting some personal responsibility. |
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wrote in message ... On Aug 30, 12:30 am, "Raymond O'Hara" wrote: wrote in message ... Before Katrina, the feds warned New Orleans (run by that Dem genius Nagin) and the state of La (led by the corrupt and inept Dem. Blanco) to evacuate, they dithered until it was too late and people died. Even worse, the levees were failing weeks before Katrina as revealed by reports of salt water coming up from under where the levee eventually failed. The city of NO run by Nagin did nothing at all. It was actually fortunate that Katrina hit because there was a partial evac. The Levee was going to fail soon and it was blind luck it did during Katrina and not some minor storm where they did not evacuate and then the death toll would have been really high. This time round, we have a competent Repub governor who will ride Nagin to make sure things get done. Lets see what happs. they had worked out a pan with the incompetent bush and his criminal buddies like "heckovajob" brownie but as the city was being destroyed he found he had a fund raiser that was more important than the port city that services the heartland of the country. no mayor has the capability to evacuate any city. and telling people with nowhere to go and no cars to get there is rather hopeless. but nothing is ever georges fault is it. he has gotten his way on everything and gotten everything he asked for yet things are totally screwed up and none of that is his fault. yeah that's because he's done a "heckova job" too. Ray, try reading. Under the pre-Katrina hurricane plan, Nagin had authority, responsibility AND the means (those flooded buses) to evacuate the city. A year before Katrina He had attended a conference on this very topic where he agreed on this. Safe evacuation areas had been pre- decided. His failure to follow the plan that his office drew up is criminal. In addition, the Gov of a state (at least in LA and FL) has the authority to order such an evac. Blanco did not until she was almost ordered to do so by Bush. Now Brownie was a bozo but that does not excuse the criminal negligence by Nagin and Blanco. no the feds had the responsibility. and 100 school buses that hold 40 people aren't going to evacuate a city of several hundred thousand. nothing is ever the chimps fault is it. |
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Raymond O'Hara wrote:
wrote in message ... On Aug 30, 12:30 am, "Raymond O'Hara" wrote: wrote in message ... Before Katrina, the feds warned New Orleans (run by that Dem genius Nagin) and the state of La (led by the corrupt and inept Dem. Blanco) to evacuate, they dithered until it was too late and people died. Even worse, the levees were failing weeks before Katrina as revealed by reports of salt water coming up from under where the levee eventually failed. The city of NO run by Nagin did nothing at all. It was actually fortunate that Katrina hit because there was a partial evac. The Levee was going to fail soon and it was blind luck it did during Katrina and not some minor storm where they did not evacuate and then the death toll would have been really high. This time round, we have a competent Repub governor who will ride Nagin to make sure things get done. Lets see what happs. they had worked out a pan with the incompetent bush and his criminal buddies like "heckovajob" brownie but as the city was being destroyed he found he had a fund raiser that was more important than the port city that services the heartland of the country. no mayor has the capability to evacuate any city. and telling people with nowhere to go and no cars to get there is rather hopeless. but nothing is ever georges fault is it. he has gotten his way on everything and gotten everything he asked for yet things are totally screwed up and none of that is his fault. yeah that's because he's done a "heckova job" too. Ray, try reading. Under the pre-Katrina hurricane plan, Nagin had authority, responsibility AND the means (those flooded buses) to evacuate the city. A year before Katrina He had attended a conference on this very topic where he agreed on this. Safe evacuation areas had been pre- decided. His failure to follow the plan that his office drew up is criminal. In addition, the Gov of a state (at least in LA and FL) has the authority to order such an evac. Blanco did not until she was almost ordered to do so by Bush. Now Brownie was a bozo but that does not excuse the criminal negligence by Nagin and Blanco. no the feds had the responsibility. and 100 school buses that hold 40 people aren't going to evacuate a city of several hundred thousand. nothing is ever the chimps fault is it. But...Bush had all of years of "executive experience," as a business executive and governor, and, of course, all that "military experience." What he didn't have and doesn't have is judgment. and neither does McCain. |
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"hk" wrote in message . .. no the feds had the responsibility. and 100 school buses that hold 40 people aren't going to evacuate a city of several hundred thousand. nothing is ever the chimps fault is it. But...Bush had all of years of "executive experience," as a business executive and governor, and, of course, all that "military experience." What he didn't have and doesn't have is judgment. and neither does McCain. That situation was totally screwed up from the beginning. Seems to me Bush initially did what he was supposed to ..... make federal help available, but the operational decisions were left up to local and state governments, as they should have been. Bush earned the reputation of being too late to act because the locals dragged their feet. If I recall correctly, Bush had to *order* them to start an evacuation. Eisboch |
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On Aug 30, 1:23 pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
"hk" wrote in message . .. no the feds had the responsibility. and 100 school buses that hold 40 people aren't going to evacuate a city of several hundred thousand. nothing is ever the chimps fault is it. But...Bush had all of years of "executive experience," as a business executive and governor, and, of course, all that "military experience." What he didn't have and doesn't have is judgment. and neither does McCain. That situation was totally screwed up from the beginning. Seems to me Bush initially did what he was supposed to ..... make federal help available, but the operational decisions were left up to local and state governments, as they should have been. Bush earned the reputation of being too late to act because the locals dragged their feet. If I recall correctly, Bush had to *order* them to start an evacuation. Eisboch I read the Hurricane plans for NO and they called for the city to order an evacuation, not the feds, Ray is simply wrong. Lets do the math (a difficult thing for a Dem). 100 busses each carrying 60 people can carry 6000 people in one trip. 4 trips in one day would give 24000 people. Pvt autos could take out another 100,000 people if they had been ordered to evac when the Bush admin asked Blanco to do so. Pvt bus lines could easily have carried another 25000 people. Airlines could have carried another 25000 ppl. If the evac had been done when their own plans called for it to be done, there would have been no problem. Nagin and Blanco ignored their own plan. The feds had no authority to order an evac, the authority was given to Nagin and Blanco in the plan. |
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On Sat, 30 Aug 2008 13:23:02 -0400, Eisboch wrote:
That situation was totally screwed up from the beginning. Seems to me Bush initially did what he was supposed to ..... make federal help available, but the operational decisions were left up to local and state governments, as they should have been. Bush earned the reputation of being too late to act because the locals dragged their feet. If I recall correctly, Bush had to *order* them to start an evacuation. Eisboch There were a few bright spots, the military, especially the Coast Guard. They began pre-positioning resources several days ahead of the storm. Of the 60,000 stranded by the storm, the Coast Guard rescued 33,500. |
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On Aug 30, 4:52 pm, "CalifBill" wrote:
"Raymond O'Hara" wrote in message ... wrote in message ... On Aug 30, 12:30 am, "Raymond O'Hara" wrote: wrote in message ... Before Katrina, the feds warned New Orleans (run by that Dem genius Nagin) and the state of La (led by the corrupt and inept Dem. Blanco) to evacuate, they dithered until it was too late and people died. Even worse, the levees were failing weeks before Katrina as revealed by reports of salt water coming up from under where the levee eventually failed. The city of NO run by Nagin did nothing at all. It was actually fortunate that Katrina hit because there was a partial evac. The Levee was going to fail soon and it was blind luck it did during Katrina and not some minor storm where they did not evacuate and then the death toll would have been really high. This time round, we have a competent Repub governor who will ride Nagin to make sure things get done. Lets see what happs. they had worked out a pan with the incompetent bush and his criminal buddies like "heckovajob" brownie but as the city was being destroyed he found he had a fund raiser that was more important than the port city that services the heartland of the country. no mayor has the capability to evacuate any city. and telling people with nowhere to go and no cars to get there is rather hopeless. but nothing is ever georges fault is it. he has gotten his way on everything and gotten everything he asked for yet things are totally screwed up and none of that is his fault. yeah that's because he's done a "heckova job" too. Ray, try reading. Under the pre-Katrina hurricane plan, Nagin had authority, responsibility AND the means (those flooded buses) to evacuate the city. A year before Katrina He had attended a conference on this very topic where he agreed on this. Safe evacuation areas had been pre- decided. His failure to follow the plan that his office drew up is criminal. In addition, the Gov of a state (at least in LA and FL) has the authority to order such an evac. Blanco did not until she was almost ordered to do so by Bush. Now Brownie was a bozo but that does not excuse the criminal negligence by Nagin and Blanco. no the feds had the responsibility. and 100 school buses that hold 40 people aren't going to evacuate a city of several hundred thousand. nothing is ever the chimps fault is it. \ the Feds had no responsibility. They are prohibited from sending in the troops until the state asks. They did not. Nagin did not ask, the Gov did not ask. I was there the next year with Habitat Fro Humanity in Slidell when the election was be contested. could not believe the statements that Nagin was only mayor for 3 years, what could he do? And they reelected him sad. I have spent a lot of time in NO over the years and even before katrina it was the filthiest city in North America. My main memory of NO is the smell of raw sewage and that was several years before Katrina. The problem with NO is that it has the most corrupt pols in the USA. people in NO are more afraid of the police than they are of criminals. Nagin refused to order an earluier evac simply because he was afraid of losing lucrative convention business. He also could have used the Nat Guard to better prep the Dome and the convention center for sheltering people but he did not because he was afraid of hurting business. Nagin and Blanco completely ignored their own hurricane emergency plan and should be hung from lamp posts on Bourbon St. |
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"Raymond O'Hara" wrote in message ... wrote in message ... On Aug 30, 12:30 am, "Raymond O'Hara" wrote: wrote in message ... Before Katrina, the feds warned New Orleans (run by that Dem genius Nagin) and the state of La (led by the corrupt and inept Dem. Blanco) to evacuate, they dithered until it was too late and people died. Even worse, the levees were failing weeks before Katrina as revealed by reports of salt water coming up from under where the levee eventually failed. The city of NO run by Nagin did nothing at all. It was actually fortunate that Katrina hit because there was a partial evac. The Levee was going to fail soon and it was blind luck it did during Katrina and not some minor storm where they did not evacuate and then the death toll would have been really high. This time round, we have a competent Repub governor who will ride Nagin to make sure things get done. Lets see what happs. they had worked out a pan with the incompetent bush and his criminal buddies like "heckovajob" brownie but as the city was being destroyed he found he had a fund raiser that was more important than the port city that services the heartland of the country. no mayor has the capability to evacuate any city. and telling people with nowhere to go and no cars to get there is rather hopeless. but nothing is ever georges fault is it. he has gotten his way on everything and gotten everything he asked for yet things are totally screwed up and none of that is his fault. yeah that's because he's done a "heckova job" too. Ray, try reading. Under the pre-Katrina hurricane plan, Nagin had authority, responsibility AND the means (those flooded buses) to evacuate the city. A year before Katrina He had attended a conference on this very topic where he agreed on this. Safe evacuation areas had been pre- decided. His failure to follow the plan that his office drew up is criminal. In addition, the Gov of a state (at least in LA and FL) has the authority to order such an evac. Blanco did not until she was almost ordered to do so by Bush. Now Brownie was a bozo but that does not excuse the criminal negligence by Nagin and Blanco. no the feds had the responsibility. and 100 school buses that hold 40 people aren't going to evacuate a city of several hundred thousand. nothing is ever the chimps fault is it. \ the Feds had no responsibility. They are prohibited from sending in the troops until the state asks. They did not. Nagin did not ask, the Gov did not ask. I was there the next year with Habitat Fro Humanity in Slidell when the election was be contested. could not believe the statements that Nagin was only mayor for 3 years, what could he do? And they reelected him sad. |
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Raymond O'Hara wrote:
wrote in message ... On Aug 30, 12:30 am, "Raymond O'Hara" wrote: wrote in message ... Before Katrina, the feds warned New Orleans (run by that Dem genius Nagin) and the state of La (led by the corrupt and inept Dem. Blanco) to evacuate, they dithered until it was too late and people died. Even worse, the levees were failing weeks before Katrina as revealed by reports of salt water coming up from under where the levee eventually failed. The city of NO run by Nagin did nothing at all. It was actually fortunate that Katrina hit because there was a partial evac. The Levee was going to fail soon and it was blind luck it did during Katrina and not some minor storm where they did not evacuate and then the death toll would have been really high. This time round, we have a competent Repub governor who will ride Nagin to make sure things get done. Lets see what happs. they had worked out a pan with the incompetent bush and his criminal buddies like "heckovajob" brownie but as the city was being destroyed he found he had a fund raiser that was more important than the port city that services the heartland of the country. no mayor has the capability to evacuate any city. and telling people with nowhere to go and no cars to get there is rather hopeless. but nothing is ever georges fault is it. he has gotten his way on everything and gotten everything he asked for yet things are totally screwed up and none of that is his fault. yeah that's because he's done a "heckova job" too. Ray, try reading. Under the pre-Katrina hurricane plan, Nagin had authority, responsibility AND the means (those flooded buses) to evacuate the city. A year before Katrina He had attended a conference on this very topic where he agreed on this. Safe evacuation areas had been pre- decided. His failure to follow the plan that his office drew up is criminal. In addition, the Gov of a state (at least in LA and FL) has the authority to order such an evac. Blanco did not until she was almost ordered to do so by Bush. Now Brownie was a bozo but that does not excuse the criminal negligence by Nagin and Blanco. no the feds had the responsibility. and 100 school buses that hold 40 people aren't going to evacuate a city of several hundred thousand. nothing is ever the chimps fault is it. Sorry your wrong. Never in any past storms or disaster has it been a federal responiblity. The State & locals ran the show & ****ed up. To be fair no major US city has ever tried to do a evac of that size. The nature of NO however makes the place unsafe on a good day. The problem of the Chocolate city predate GW. |
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Raymond O'Hara wrote: wrote in message ... On Aug 30, 12:30 am, "Raymond O'Hara" wrote: wrote in message ... Before Katrina, the feds warned New Orleans (run by that Dem genius Nagin) and the state of La (led by the corrupt and inept Dem. Blanco) to evacuate, they dithered until it was too late and people died. Even worse, the levees were failing weeks before Katrina as revealed by reports of salt water coming up from under where the levee eventually failed. The city of NO run by Nagin did nothing at all. It was actually fortunate that Katrina hit because there was a partial evac. The Levee was going to fail soon and it was blind luck it did during Katrina and not some minor storm where they did not evacuate and then the death toll would have been really high. This time round, we have a competent Repub governor who will ride Nagin to make sure things get done. Lets see what happs. they had worked out a pan with the incompetent bush and his criminal buddies like "heckovajob" brownie but as the city was being destroyed he found he had a fund raiser that was more important than the port city that services the heartland of the country. no mayor has the capability to evacuate any city. and telling people with nowhere to go and no cars to get there is rather hopeless. but nothing is ever georges fault is it. he has gotten his way on everything and gotten everything he asked for yet things are totally screwed up and none of that is his fault. yeah that's because he's done a "heckova job" too. Ray, try reading. Under the pre-Katrina hurricane plan, Nagin had authority, responsibility AND the means (those flooded buses) to evacuate the city. A year before Katrina He had attended a conference on this very topic where he agreed on this. Safe evacuation areas had been pre- decided. His failure to follow the plan that his office drew up is criminal. In addition, the Gov of a state (at least in LA and FL) has the authority to order such an evac. Blanco did not until she was almost ordered to do so by Bush. Now Brownie was a bozo but that does not excuse the criminal negligence by Nagin and Blanco. no the feds had the responsibility. and 100 school buses that hold 40 people aren't going to evacuate a city of several hundred thousand. nothing is ever the chimps fault is it. But...Bush had all of years of "executive experience," as a business executive and governor, and, of course, all that "military experience." What he didn't have and doesn't have is judgment. and neither does McCain. Last time I checked Fluid dynamics is not a presidental power. |
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"Tiger" wrote in message ... hk wrote: Raymond O'Hara wrote: wrote in message ... On Aug 30, 12:30 am, "Raymond O'Hara" wrote: wrote in message ... Before Katrina, the feds warned New Orleans (run by that Dem genius Nagin) and the state of La (led by the corrupt and inept Dem. Blanco) to evacuate, they dithered until it was too late and people died. Even worse, the levees were failing weeks before Katrina as revealed by reports of salt water coming up from under where the levee eventually failed. The city of NO run by Nagin did nothing at all. It was actually fortunate that Katrina hit because there was a partial evac. The Levee was going to fail soon and it was blind luck it did during Katrina and not some minor storm where they did not evacuate and then the death toll would have been really high. This time round, we have a competent Repub governor who will ride Nagin to make sure things get done. Lets see what happs. they had worked out a pan with the incompetent bush and his criminal buddies like "heckovajob" brownie but as the city was being destroyed he found he had a fund raiser that was more important than the port city that services the heartland of the country. no mayor has the capability to evacuate any city. and telling people with nowhere to go and no cars to get there is rather hopeless. but nothing is ever georges fault is it. he has gotten his way on everything and gotten everything he asked for yet things are totally screwed up and none of that is his fault. yeah that's because he's done a "heckova job" too. Ray, try reading. Under the pre-Katrina hurricane plan, Nagin had authority, responsibility AND the means (those flooded buses) to evacuate the city. A year before Katrina He had attended a conference on this very topic where he agreed on this. Safe evacuation areas had been pre- decided. His failure to follow the plan that his office drew up is criminal. In addition, the Gov of a state (at least in LA and FL) has the authority to order such an evac. Blanco did not until she was almost ordered to do so by Bush. Now Brownie was a bozo but that does not excuse the criminal negligence by Nagin and Blanco. no the feds had the responsibility. and 100 school buses that hold 40 people aren't going to evacuate a city of several hundred thousand. nothing is ever the chimps fault is it. But...Bush had all of years of "executive experience," as a business executive and governor, and, of course, all that "military experience." What he didn't have and doesn't have is judgment. and neither does McCain. Last time I checked Fluid dynamics is not a presidental power. There was enough blame to go around to governments at all the levels. Anyway, I was impressed by the take-charge attitude of Lt. General Russel Honoré when he was brought in. - nilita |
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On Aug 30, 5:04 pm, Tiger wrote:
hk wrote: Raymond O'Hara wrote: wrote in message ... On Aug 30, 12:30 am, "Raymond O'Hara" wrote: wrote in message ... Before Katrina, the feds warned New Orleans (run by that Dem genius Nagin) and the state of La (led by the corrupt and inept Dem. Blanco) to evacuate, they dithered until it was too late and people died. Even worse, the levees were failing weeks before Katrina as revealed by reports of salt water coming up from under where the levee eventually failed. The city of NO run by Nagin did nothing at all. It was actually fortunate that Katrina hit because there was a partial evac. The Levee was going to fail soon and it was blind luck it did during Katrina and not some minor storm where they did not evacuate and then the death toll would have been really high. This time round, we have a competent Repub governor who will ride Nagin to make sure things get done. Lets see what happs. they had worked out a pan with the incompetent bush and his criminal buddies like "heckovajob" brownie but as the city was being destroyed he found he had a fund raiser that was more important than the port city that services the heartland of the country. no mayor has the capability to evacuate any city. and telling people with nowhere to go and no cars to get there is rather hopeless. but nothing is ever georges fault is it. he has gotten his way on everything and gotten everything he asked for yet things are totally screwed up and none of that is his fault. yeah that's because he's done a "heckova job" too. Ray, try reading. Under the pre-Katrina hurricane plan, Nagin had authority, responsibility AND the means (those flooded buses) to evacuate the city. A year before Katrina He had attended a conference on this very topic where he agreed on this. Safe evacuation areas had been pre- decided. His failure to follow the plan that his office drew up is criminal. In addition, the Gov of a state (at least in LA and FL) has the authority to order such an evac. Blanco did not until she was almost ordered to do so by Bush. Now Brownie was a bozo but that does not excuse the criminal negligence by Nagin and Blanco. no the feds had the responsibility. and 100 school buses that hold 40 people aren't going to evacuate a city of several hundred thousand. nothing is ever the chimps fault is it. But...Bush had all of years of "executive experience," as a business executive and governor, and, of course, all that "military experience." What he didn't have and doesn't have is judgment. and neither does McCain. Last time I checked Fluid dynamics is not a presidental power. Perhaps the Obamessiah could stand on the levees and order the ocean not to come in. |
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On Aug 30, 12:02*pm, hk wrote:
Raymond O'Hara wrote: wrote in message ... On Aug 30, 12:30 am, "Raymond O'Hara" wrote: wrote in message .... Before Katrina, the feds warned New Orleans (run by that Dem genius Nagin) and the state of La (led by the corrupt and inept Dem. Blanco) to evacuate, they dithered until it was too late and people died. Even worse, the levees were failing weeks before Katrina as revealed by reports of salt water coming up from under where the levee eventually failed. *The city of NO run by Nagin did nothing at all.. It was actually fortunate that Katrina hit because there was a partial evac. *The Levee was going to fail soon and it was blind luck it did during Katrina and not some minor storm where they did not evacuate and then the death toll would have been really high. This time round, we have a competent Repub governor who will ride Nagin to make sure things get done. *Lets see what happs. they had worked out a pan with the incompetent bush and his criminal buddies like "heckovajob" brownie but as the city was being destroyed he found he had a fund raiser that was more important than the port city that services the heartland of the country. no mayor has the capability to evacuate any city. and telling people with nowhere to go and no cars to get there is rather hopeless. but nothing is ever georges fault is it. he has gotten his way on everything and gotten everything he asked for yet things are totally screwed up and none of that is his fault. yeah that's because he's done a "heckova job" too. Ray, try reading. Under the pre-Katrina hurricane plan, Nagin had authority, responsibility AND the means (those flooded buses) to evacuate the city. *A year before Katrina He had attended a conference on this very topic where he agreed on this. *Safe evacuation areas had been pre- decided. *His failure to follow the plan that his office drew up is criminal. *In addition, the Gov of a state (at least in LA and FL) has the authority to order such an evac. *Blanco did not until she was almost ordered to do so by Bush. *Now Brownie was a bozo but that does not excuse the criminal negligence by Nagin and Blanco. no the feds had the responsibility. and 100 school buses that hold 40 people aren't going to evacuate a city of several hundred thousand. nothing is ever the chimps fault is it. But...Bush had all of years of "executive experience," as a business executive and governor, and, of course, all that "military experience." What he didn't have and doesn't have is judgment. and neither does McCain.. Governor of Texas doesn't do much. Real power are in other offices, especially Lt Gov. Legislature meets every 2 years. Some say that's too much the way some of those bozos get elected. And drive. Stay off the roads in Austin when the bars close. |
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"CalifBill" wrote in message m... the Feds had no responsibility. They are prohibited from sending in the troops until the state asks. They did not. Nagin did not ask, the Gov did not ask. I was there the next year with Habitat Fro Humanity in Slidell when the election was be contested. could not believe the statements that Nagin was only mayor for 3 years, what could he do? And they reelected him sad. I saw Nagin being interviewed today as they prepare for Gustav. He basically blamed the residents for the Katrina disaster. Wonder if he'll be re-elected again. Or does anybody down there care? What a piece of work he is. Eisboch |
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wrote in message ... Perhaps the Obamessiah could stand on the levees and order the ocean not to come in. Or at least hope. Eisboch |
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"CalifBill" wrote in message m... the Feds had no responsibility. They are prohibited from sending in the troops until the state asks. They did not. Nagin did not ask, the Gov did not ask. I was there the next year with Habitat Fro Humanity in Slidell when the election was be contested. could not believe the statements that Nagin was only mayor for 3 years, what could he do? And they reelected him sad. I saw Nagin being interviewed today as they prepare for Gustav. He basically blamed the residents for the Katrina disaster. Wonder if he'll be re-elected again. Or does anybody down there care? What a piece of work he is. Eisboch Bush was re-elected. Bush's screw-ups are far worse than Nagin's. |
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On Sat, 30 Aug 2008 21:10:31 GMT, "La N"
wrote: Anyway, I was impressed by the take-charge attitude of Lt. General Russel Honoré when he was brought in. Guy was something else wasn't he? Cigar chomping former infantry commander. Gotta love 'em. :) |
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"Eisboch" wrote in message ... "hk" wrote in message . .. no the feds had the responsibility. and 100 school buses that hold 40 people aren't going to evacuate a city of several hundred thousand. nothing is ever the chimps fault is it. But...Bush had all of years of "executive experience," as a business executive and governor, and, of course, all that "military experience." What he didn't have and doesn't have is judgment. and neither does McCain. That situation was totally screwed up from the beginning. Seems to me Bush initially did what he was supposed to ..... make federal help available, but the operational decisions were left up to local and state governments, as they should have been. Bush earned the reputation of being too late to act because the locals dragged their feet. If I recall correctly, Bush had to *order* them to start an evacuation. Eisboch bush was at a fund raiser in arizona. he never ordered anything. the city state and feds had worked out a plan. the feds didn't do their part. |
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Raymond O'Hara wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message ... "hk" wrote in message . .. no the feds had the responsibility. and 100 school buses that hold 40 people aren't going to evacuate a city of several hundred thousand. nothing is ever the chimps fault is it. But...Bush had all of years of "executive experience," as a business executive and governor, and, of course, all that "military experience." What he didn't have and doesn't have is judgment. and neither does McCain. That situation was totally screwed up from the beginning. Seems to me Bush initially did what he was supposed to ..... make federal help available, but the operational decisions were left up to local and state governments, as they should have been. Bush earned the reputation of being too late to act because the locals dragged their feet. If I recall correctly, Bush had to *order* them to start an evacuation. Eisboch bush was at a fund raiser in arizona. he never ordered anything. the city state and feds had worked out a plan. the feds didn't do their part. Not just on this issue, but on every issue, the amount of rationalization that you see to make excuses for the utter incompetent of the Bush Administration is simply mind-boggling. |
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"Raymond O'Hara" wrote in message ... That situation was totally screwed up from the beginning. Seems to me Bush initially did what he was supposed to ..... make federal help available, but the operational decisions were left up to local and state governments, as they should have been. Bush earned the reputation of being too late to act because the locals dragged their feet. If I recall correctly, Bush had to *order* them to start an evacuation. Eisboch bush was at a fund raiser in arizona. he never ordered anything. the city state and feds had worked out a plan. the feds didn't do their part. Go on .... elaborate a bit .... I'd love to hear this version of the story .... "bush was at a fund raiser in arizona?" This wasn't an unexpected tornado. It was a freaking hurricane with plenty of advance warnings ... Eisboch Eisboch |
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wrote in message ... On Aug 30, 1:23 pm, "Eisboch" wrote: "hk" wrote in message . .. no the feds had the responsibility. and 100 school buses that hold 40 people aren't going to evacuate a city of several hundred thousand. nothing is ever the chimps fault is it. But...Bush had all of years of "executive experience," as a business executive and governor, and, of course, all that "military experience." What he didn't have and doesn't have is judgment. and neither does McCain. That situation was totally screwed up from the beginning. Seems to me Bush initially did what he was supposed to ..... make federal help available, but the operational decisions were left up to local and state governments, as they should have been. Bush earned the reputation of being too late to act because the locals dragged their feet. If I recall correctly, Bush had to *order* them to start an evacuation. Eisboch I read the Hurricane plans for NO and they called for the city to order an evacuation, not the feds, Ray is simply wrong. Lets do the math (a difficult thing for a Dem). 100 busses each carrying 60 people can carry 6000 people in one trip. 4 trips in one day would give 24000 people. Pvt autos could take out another 100,000 people if they had been ordered to evac when the Bush admin asked Blanco to do so. Pvt bus lines could easily have carried another 25000 people. Airlines could have carried another 25000 ppl. If the evac had been done when their own plans called for it to be done, there would have been no problem. Nagin and Blanco ignored their own plan. The feds had no authority to order an evac, the authority was given to Nagin and Blanco in the plan. do the math. and then you make up fake numbers. At a news conference at 10:00 a.m. on August 28, shortly after Katrina was upgraded to a Category 5 storm, New Orleans mayor Ray Nagin ordered the first ever mandatory evacuation of the city, calling Katrina "a storm that most of us have long feared."[25] The city government also established several "refuges of last resort" for citizens who could not leave the city, including the massive Louisiana Superdome, which sheltered approximately 26,000 people and provided them with food and water for several days as the storm came ashore.[26] Staff Writer."26,000 shelter at Superdome." Times-Picayune. August 28, 2005. Retrieved on 2006-06-05. "In a September 26, 2005 hearing, former FEMA chief Michael Brown testified before a U.S. House subcommittee about FEMA's response. During that hearing, Representative Stephen Buyer (R-IN) inquired as to why president Bush's declaration of state of emergency of August 27 had not included the coastal parishes of Orleans, Jefferson, and Plaquemines.[15] (In fact, the declaration did not include any of Louisiana's coastal parishes, whereas the coastal counties were included in the declarations for Mississippi[16] and Alabama.[17]) Brown testified that this was because Louisiana Governor Blanco had not included those parishes in her initial request for aid, a decision that he found "shocking." After the hearing, though, Blanco released a copy of her letter, which requested assistance for "all the southeastern parishes including the New Orleans Metropolitan area and the mid state Interstate I-49 corridor and northern parishes along the I-20 corridor that are accepting [evacuated citizens]."[18] 1.. ^ "[1]." Governor Blanco asks President to Declare an Emergency for the State of Louisiana due to Hurricane Katrina. August 27, 2005. Retrieved on 2007-09-01. |
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wrote in message ... On Aug 30, 12:30 am, "Raymond O'Hara" wrote: wrote in message ... Before Katrina, the feds warned New Orleans (run by that Dem genius Nagin) and the state of La (led by the corrupt and inept Dem. Blanco) to evacuate, they dithered until it was too late and people died. Even worse, the levees were failing weeks before Katrina as revealed by reports of salt water coming up from under where the levee eventually failed. The city of NO run by Nagin did nothing at all. It was actually fortunate that Katrina hit because there was a partial evac. The Levee was going to fail soon and it was blind luck it did during Katrina and not some minor storm where they did not evacuate and then the death toll would have been really high. This time round, we have a competent Repub governor who will ride Nagin to make sure things get done. Lets see what happs. they had worked out a pan with the incompetent bush and his criminal buddies like "heckovajob" brownie but as the city was being destroyed he found he had a fund raiser that was more important than the port city that services the heartland of the country. no mayor has the capability to evacuate any city. and telling people with nowhere to go and no cars to get there is rather hopeless. but nothing is ever georges fault is it. he has gotten his way on everything and gotten everything he asked for yet things are totally screwed up and none of that is his fault. yeah that's because he's done a "heckova job" too. Ray, try reading. Under the pre-Katrina hurricane plan, Nagin had authority, responsibility AND the means (those flooded buses) to evacuate the city. A year before Katrina He had attended a conference on this very topic where he agreed on this. Safe evacuation areas had been pre- decided. His failure to follow the plan that his office drew up is criminal. In addition, the Gov of a state (at least in LA and FL) has the authority to order such an evac. Blanco did not until she was almost ordered to do so by Bush. Now Brownie was a bozo but that does not excuse the criminal negligence by Nagin and Blanco. no the feds had the responsibility. and 100 school buses that hold 40 people aren't going to evacuate a city of several hundred thousand. The feds had the responsibility for what? Do you even understand the constitution of the country and the relationship between the states and the federal government. nothing is ever the chimps fault is it. The remark above gives your views the weight of a feather. |
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"Eisboch" wrote in message ... wrote in message ... Perhaps the Obamessiah could stand on the levees and order the ocean not to come in. Or at least hope. Eisboch that still would be more than the chimpenfuhrer did. |
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Raymond O'Hara wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message ... "hk" wrote in message . .. no the feds had the responsibility. and 100 school buses that hold 40 people aren't going to evacuate a city of several hundred thousand. nothing is ever the chimps fault is it. But...Bush had all of years of "executive experience," as a business executive and governor, and, of course, all that "military experience." What he didn't have and doesn't have is judgment. and neither does McCain. That situation was totally screwed up from the beginning. Seems to me Bush initially did what he was supposed to ..... make federal help available, but the operational decisions were left up to local and state governments, as they should have been. Bush earned the reputation of being too late to act because the locals dragged their feet. If I recall correctly, Bush had to *order* them to start an evacuation. Eisboch bush was at a fund raiser in arizona. he never ordered anything. the city state and feds had worked out a plan. the feds didn't do their part. You have just dropped to the bottom of the idiot list. |
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"CalifBill" wrote in message m... the Feds had no responsibility. They are prohibited from sending in the troops until the state asks. They did not. Nagin did not ask, the Gov did not ask. I was there the next year with Habitat Fro Humanity in Slidell when the election was be contested. could not believe the statements that Nagin was only mayor for 3 years, what could he do? And they reelected him sad. LIAR Saturday, August 27 GOV. HALEY BARBOUR DECLARES STATE OF EMERGENCY IN MISSISSIPPI [Office of the Governor] 5AM CDT - KATRINA UPGRADED TO CATEGORY 3 HURRICANE [CNN] GOV. BLANCO ASKS BUSH TO DECLARE FEDERAL STATE OF EMERGENCY IN LOUISIANA: "I have determined that this incident is of such severity and magnitude that effective response is beyond the capabilities of the State and affected local governments, and that supplementary Federal assistance is necessary to save lives, protect property, public health, and safety, or to lessen or avert the threat of a disaster." [Office of the Governor] http://thinkprogress.org/katrina-timeline/ |
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wrote in message ... Perhaps the Obamessiah could stand on the levees and order the ocean not to come in. Or at least hope. And change. |
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Eisboch wrote: "CalifBill" wrote in message m... the Feds had no responsibility. They are prohibited from sending in the troops until the state asks. They did not. Nagin did not ask, the Gov did not ask. I was there the next year with Habitat Fro Humanity in Slidell when the election was be contested. could not believe the statements that Nagin was only mayor for 3 years, what could he do? And they reelected him sad. I saw Nagin being interviewed today as they prepare for Gustav. He basically blamed the residents for the Katrina disaster. Wonder if he'll be re-elected again. Or does anybody down there care? What a piece of work he is. Eisboch Bush was re-elected. Bush's screw-ups are far worse than Nagin's. Krause, you are too predictable. Why don't you get a new line of responses. |
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wrote in message ... On Aug 30, 4:52 pm, "CalifBill" wrote: "Raymond O'Hara" wrote in message ... wrote in message ... On Aug 30, 12:30 am, "Raymond O'Hara" wrote: wrote in message ... Before Katrina, the feds warned New Orleans (run by that Dem genius Nagin) and the state of La (led by the corrupt and inept Dem. Blanco) to evacuate, they dithered until it was too late and people died. Even worse, the levees were failing weeks before Katrina as revealed by reports of salt water coming up from under where the levee eventually failed. The city of NO run by Nagin did nothing at all. It was actually fortunate that Katrina hit because there was a partial evac. The Levee was going to fail soon and it was blind luck it did during Katrina and not some minor storm where they did not evacuate and then the death toll would have been really high. This time round, we have a competent Repub governor who will ride Nagin to make sure things get done. Lets see what happs. they had worked out a pan with the incompetent bush and his criminal buddies like "heckovajob" brownie but as the city was being destroyed he found he had a fund raiser that was more important than the port city that services the heartland of the country. no mayor has the capability to evacuate any city. and telling people with nowhere to go and no cars to get there is rather hopeless. but nothing is ever georges fault is it. he has gotten his way on everything and gotten everything he asked for yet things are totally screwed up and none of that is his fault. yeah that's because he's done a "heckova job" too. Ray, try reading. Under the pre-Katrina hurricane plan, Nagin had authority, responsibility AND the means (those flooded buses) to evacuate the city. A year before Katrina He had attended a conference on this very topic where he agreed on this. Safe evacuation areas had been pre- decided. His failure to follow the plan that his office drew up is criminal. In addition, the Gov of a state (at least in LA and FL) has the authority to order such an evac. Blanco did not until she was almost ordered to do so by Bush. Now Brownie was a bozo but that does not excuse the criminal negligence by Nagin and Blanco. no the feds had the responsibility. and 100 school buses that hold 40 people aren't going to evacuate a city of several hundred thousand. nothing is ever the chimps fault is it. \ the Feds had no responsibility. They are prohibited from sending in the troops until the state asks. They did not. Nagin did not ask, the Gov did not ask. I was there the next year with Habitat Fro Humanity in Slidell when the election was be contested. could not believe the statements that Nagin was only mayor for 3 years, what could he do? And they reelected him sad. I have spent a lot of time in NO over the years and even before katrina it was the filthiest city in North America. My main memory of NO is the smell of raw sewage and that was several years before Katrina. The problem with NO is that it has the most corrupt pols in the USA. people in NO are more afraid of the police than they are of criminals. Nagin refused to order an earluier evac simply because he was afraid of losing lucrative convention business. He also could have used the Nat Guard to better prep the Dome and the convention center for sheltering people but he did not because he was afraid of hurting business. Nagin and Blanco completely ignored their own hurricane emergency plan and should be hung from lamp posts on Bourbon St. Monday, August 29 7AM CDT - KATRINA MAKES LANDFALL AS A CATEGORY 4 HURRICANE [CNN] 7:30 AM CDT - BUSH ADMINISTRATION NOTIFIED OF THE LEVEE BREACH: The administration finds out that a levee in New Orleans was breached. On this day, 28 "government agencies, from local Louisiana parishes to the White House, [reported that] that New Orleans levees" were breached. [AP] 8AM CDT - MAYOR NAGIN REPORTS THAT WATER IS FLOWING OVER LEVEE: "I've gotten reports this morning that there is already water coming over some of the levee systems. In the lower ninth ward, we've had one of our pumping stations to stop operating, so we will have significant flooding, it is just a matter of how much." [NBC's "Today Show"] 11:13 AM CDT - WHITE HOUSE CIRCULATES INTERNAL MEMO ABOUT LEVEE BREACH: "Flooding is significant throughout the region and a levee in New Orleans has reportedly been breached sending 6-8 feet of water throughout the 9th ward area of the city." [AP] MORNING - BROWN WARNS BUSH ABOUT THE POTENTIAL DEVASTATION OF KATRINA: In a briefing, Brown warned Bush, "This is, to put it mildly, the big one, I think." He also voiced concerns that the government may not have the capacity to "respond to a catastrophe within a catastrophe" and that the Superdome was ill-equipped to be a refuge of last resort. [AP] MORNING - MAYFIELD WARNS BUSH ABOUT THE TOPPING OF THE LEVEES: In the same briefing, Max Mayfield, National Hurricane Center Director, warns, "This is a category 5 hurricane, very similar to Hurricane Andrew in the maximum intensity, but there's a big big difference. This hurricane is much larger than Andrew ever was. I also want to make absolutely clear to everyone that the greatest potential for large loss of lives is still in the coastal areas from the storm surge. . I don't think anyone can tell you with any confidence right now whether the levees will be topped or not, but there's obviously a very very grave concern." [AP] MORNING - BUSH CALLS SECRETARY CHERTOFF TO DISCUSS IMMIGRATION: "I spoke to Mike Chertoff today - he's the head of the Department of Homeland Security. I knew people would want me to discuss this issue [immigration], so we got us an airplane on - a telephone on Air Force One, so I called him. I said, are you working with the governor? He said, you bet we are." [White House] MORNING - BUSH SHARES BIRTHDAY CAKE PHOTO-OP WITH SEN. JOHN MCCAIN [White House] 11AM CDT - MICHAEL BROWN FINALLY REQUESTS THAT DHS DISPATCH 1,000 EMPLOYEES TO REGION, GIVES THEM TWO DAYS TO ARRIVE: "Brown's memo to Chertoff described Katrina as 'this near catastrophic event' but otherwise lacked any urgent language. The memo politely ended, 'Thank you for your consideration in helping us to meet our responsibilities.'" [AP] LATE MORNING - LEVEE BREACHED: "A large section of the vital 17th Street Canal levee, where it connects to the brand new 'hurricane proof' Old Hammond Highway bridge, gave way late Monday morning in Bucktown after Katrina's fiercest winds were well north." [Times-Picayune] 11AM CDT - BUSH VISITS ARIZONA RESORT TO PROMOTE MEDICARE DRUG BENEFIT: "This new bill I signed says, if you're a senior and you like the way things are today, you're in good shape, don't change. But, by the way, there's a lot of different options for you. And we're here to talk about what that means to our seniors." [White House] 4:30PM CDT - BUSH TRAVELS TO CALIFORNIA SENIOR CENTER TO DISCUSS MEDICARE DRUG BENEFIT: "We've got some folks up here who are concerned about their Social Security or Medicare. Joan Geist is with us. . I could tell - she was looking at me when I first walked in the room to meet her, she was wondering whether or not old George W. is going to take away her Social Security check." [White House] 8PM CDT - RUMSFELD ATTENDS SAN DIEGO PADRES BASEBALL GAME: Rumsfeld "joined Padres President John Moores in the owner's box.at Petco Park." [Editor & Publisher] 8PM CDT - GOV. BLANCO AGAIN REQUESTS ASSISTANCE FROM BUSH: "Mr. President, we need your help. We need everything you've got." [Newsweek] LATE PM - BUSH GOES TO BED WITHOUT ACTING ON BLANCO'S REQUESTS [Newsweek] Tuesday, August 30 11AM CDT - BUSH SPEAKS ON IRAQ AT NAVAL BASE CORONADO [White House] MIDDAY - CHERTOFF CLAIMS HE FINALLY BECOMES AWARE THAT LEVEE HAS FAILED: "It was on Tuesday that the levee-may have been overnight Monday to Tuesday-that the levee started to break. And it was midday Tuesday that I became aware of the fact that there was no possibility of plugging the gap and that essentially the lake was going to start to drain into the city." But later reports note that the Bush administration learned of the levee breach on Aug. 29. [Meet the Press, 9/4/05; AP] PENTAGON CLAIMS THERE ARE ENOUGH NATIONAL GUARD TROOPS IN REGION: "Pentagon spokesman Lawrence Di Rita said the states have adequate National Guard units to handle the hurricane needs." [WWL-TV] MASS LOOTING REPORTED, SECURITY SHORTAGE CITED: "The looting is out of control. The French Quarter has been attacked," Councilwoman Jackie Clarkson said. "We're using exhausted, scarce police to control looting when they should be used for search and rescue while we still have people on rooftops." [AP] U.S.S. BATAAN SITS OFF SHORE, VIRTUALLY UNUSED: "The USS Bataan, a 844-foot ship designed to dispatch Marines in amphibious assaults, has helicopters, doctors, hospital beds, food and water. It also can make its own water, up to 100,000 gallons a day. And it just happened to be in the Gulf of Mexico when Katrina came roaring ashore. The Bataan rode out the storm and then followed it toward shore, awaiting relief orders. Helicopter pilots flying from its deck were some of the first to begin plucking stranded New Orleans residents. But now the Bataan's hospital facilities, including six operating rooms and beds for 600 patients, are empty." [Chicago Tribune] 2PM CDT - PRESIDENT BUSH PLAYS GUITAR WITH COUNTRY SINGER MARK WILLIS [AP] BUSH RETURNS TO CRAWFORD FOR FINAL NIGHT OF VACATION [AP] Wednesday, August 31 1:45AM CDT - FEMA REQUESTS AMBULANCES THAT DO NOT EXIST: "Almost 18 hours later, [FEMA] canceled the request for the ambulances because it turned out, as one FEMA employee put it, 'the DOT doesn't do ambulances.'" [Wall Street Journal] 11:20 AM CDT - FEMA STAFF WARNED BROWN THAT PEOPLE WERE DYING AT THE SUPERDOME: Three hours later, Brown's press secretary wrote to colleagues complaining that Brown needed more time scheduled to eat at a restaurant: "He needs much more that (sic) 20 or 30 minutes. We now have traffic to encounter to go to and from a location of his choise (sic), followed by wait service from the restaurant staff, eating, etc. Thank you." [AP] NATIONAL GUARD TROOPS ARRIVE IN LOUSIANA, MISSISSIPPI, ALABAMA, AND FLORIDA: Troops arrive two days after they are requested. 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"Raymond O'Hara" wrote in message ... "Eisboch" wrote in message ... wrote in message ... Perhaps the Obamessiah could stand on the levees and order the ocean not to come in. Or at least hope. Eisboch that still would be more than the chimpenfuhrer did. Hi Harry. Eisboch |
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"hk" wrote in message . .. Raymond O'Hara wrote: "Eisboch" wrote in message ... "hk" wrote in message . .. no the feds had the responsibility. and 100 school buses that hold 40 people aren't going to evacuate a city of several hundred thousand. nothing is ever the chimps fault is it. But...Bush had all of years of "executive experience," as a business executive and governor, and, of course, all that "military experience." What he didn't have and doesn't have is judgment. and neither does McCain. That situation was totally screwed up from the beginning. Seems to me Bush initially did what he was supposed to ..... make federal help available, but the operational decisions were left up to local and state governments, as they should have been. Bush earned the reputation of being too late to act because the locals dragged their feet. If I recall correctly, Bush had to *order* them to start an evacuation. Eisboch bush was at a fund raiser in arizona. he never ordered anything. the city state and feds had worked out a plan. the feds didn't do their part. Not just on this issue, but on every issue, the amount of rationalization that you see to make excuses for the utter incompetent of the Bush Administration is simply mind-boggling. are you sure you meant that reply for me? |
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"Eisboch" wrote in message ... "Raymond O'Hara" wrote in message ... "Eisboch" wrote in message ... wrote in message ... Perhaps the Obamessiah could stand on the levees and order the ocean not to come in. Or at least hope. Eisboch that still would be more than the chimpenfuhrer did. Hi Harry. Eisboch who is harry:? |
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"Raymond O'Hara" wrote in message ... "Eisboch" wrote in message ... wrote in message ... Perhaps the Obamessiah could stand on the levees and order the ocean not to come in. Or at least hope. Eisboch that still would be more than the chimpenfuhrer did. Hi Harry. Eisboch More than 70% of the country feels that Bush is a general foch-up. "Chimpenfuhrer" is not a term I've heard before, but it seems apt. Perhaps your view of the real world is clouded by the number of righties in here who feel compelled to defend Bush's every failure. |
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Raymond O'Hara wrote:
"hk" wrote in message . .. Raymond O'Hara wrote: "Eisboch" wrote in message ... "hk" wrote in message . .. no the feds had the responsibility. and 100 school buses that hold 40 people aren't going to evacuate a city of several hundred thousand. nothing is ever the chimps fault is it. But...Bush had all of years of "executive experience," as a business executive and governor, and, of course, all that "military experience." What he didn't have and doesn't have is judgment. and neither does McCain. That situation was totally screwed up from the beginning. Seems to me Bush initially did what he was supposed to ..... make federal help available, but the operational decisions were left up to local and state governments, as they should have been. Bush earned the reputation of being too late to act because the locals dragged their feet. If I recall correctly, Bush had to *order* them to start an evacuation. Eisboch bush was at a fund raiser in arizona. he never ordered anything. the city state and feds had worked out a plan. the feds didn't do their part. Not just on this issue, but on every issue, the amount of rationalization that you see to make excuses for the utter incompetent of the Bush Administration is simply mind-boggling. are you sure you meant that reply for me? Nope. The you is the collective you, not the you you! |
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"Raymond O'Hara" wrote in message ... "hk" wrote in message . .. Raymond O'Hara wrote: "Eisboch" wrote in message ... "hk" wrote in message . .. no the feds had the responsibility. and 100 school buses that hold 40 people aren't going to evacuate a city of several hundred thousand. nothing is ever the chimps fault is it. But...Bush had all of years of "executive experience," as a business executive and governor, and, of course, all that "military experience." What he didn't have and doesn't have is judgment. and neither does McCain. That situation was totally screwed up from the beginning. Seems to me Bush initially did what he was supposed to ..... make federal help available, but the operational decisions were left up to local and state governments, as they should have been. Bush earned the reputation of being too late to act because the locals dragged their feet. If I recall correctly, Bush had to *order* them to start an evacuation. Eisboch bush was at a fund raiser in arizona. he never ordered anything. the city state and feds had worked out a plan. the feds didn't do their part. Not just on this issue, but on every issue, the amount of rationalization that you see to make excuses for the utter incompetent of the Bush Administration is simply mind-boggling. are you sure you meant that reply for me? I think it was directed at me. BTW .... I misunderstood your comment above. You are absolutely correct, and I also agree, Bush and his administration blew it, big time. It's part of a bigger picture of overall poor leadership. Eisboch |
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